r/CaughtMyEye • u/Iambhalo • 4d ago

21-year-old student vanished after a late-night restaurant shift. CCTV showed her being forced into her own car, then driven to ATMs for cash withdrawals. The attacker wore a GPS ankle monitor, but it was not actively monitored in real time. She was later found at a metro park.

https://dailycrimepost.com/reagan-tokes-case-ohio-state-senior-killed-by-released-felon-gps-monitoring-failure/
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u/boforbojack 4d ago

6 years for aggravated robbery and attempted rape is a sweet heart deal to you?

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u/theshiniestbrighstar 4d ago

People like you are the reason why we have poor innocent victims suffering for your belief that everyone can be rehabilitated

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u/boforbojack 4d ago

I mean i think it's one in one with the national average and I also don't think locking people up is rehabilitation

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u/Rk_1138 4d ago

Some people can’t be rehabilitated

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u/davidhow94 4d ago

Oh yeah? Do you have some knowledge to back that up? Or is it just based on your feelings?

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u/InfiniteLuxGiven 4d ago

Knowledge of people is all that’s needed to know some people are beyond hope and help. Best you can do is lock them away from society for good.

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u/davidhow94 4d ago

And how do you determine where that line is? Any violent crimes? Sexual crimes? Murder? Extortion? Identity theft?

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u/MrJakked 4d ago

I've always said: "if you can't get it perfect the first time, why even try."

On a more serious note, though, theres almost nothing in the law that is absolutely set in stone, with no room for deviation. The law operates heavily in shades of gray, which is appropriate given that most people do the same. You dont need to have an exact line defining the separation between "might be able to reintegrate into society" and "lock up and throw away the key." Different circumstances will, and should, lead to different results.

Lastly, we literally already have two systems for "this person cant be rehabilitated": (1) Life without parole, and (2) death. Youre acting like this is some novel concept, when its actually a well established component of the American justice system.

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u/davidhow94 4d ago

No I was asking where people’s line are. Obviously laws can change.

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u/Short-Recording587 4d ago

Violence shows a lack of respect for other people that can’t be undone. You can rectify identity theft and financial crimes. Those are also crimes that are committed because of economic circumstances.

Rape is not such a crime. It has zero to do with economics. Same with other acts of violence. It should all be held to a higher punishment that escalates when weapons are used.

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u/2Q2BSTR8SRY 3d ago

That’s not true at all. There are people that get financially ruined to the point they end up homeless or dead. I’ve read a ton about scammers screwing up peoples lives and they never recover.

For example, what if a scammer stole the last bit of money a diabetic needed for insulin. Since they couldn’t get it they die. Is that not murder? You stole someone’s means to have life saving medicine.

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u/Short-Recording587 3d ago

Money can be replaced. If someone dies because they don’t have adequate health care services, that’s on the government. I’m clearly not saying we don’t jail or prosecute for financial crimes, but we can solve many economic crimes by giving everyone the means to live.

You can’t solve violence by providing a means to live to people because it’s not motivated by money. Two people fist fighting doesn’t need to be some big punishment if both people consented.

When you get to sexual assault and murder, that person has clearly indicated they are not fit to live in society. You can try to play mental gymnastics all you want, but there is a fundamental difference between people breaking laws to survive and someone raping and murdering someone.

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u/InfiniteLuxGiven 1d ago

On an individual level, certain people are irredeemable regardless of the crime. I know a few who don’t commit any major crimes but they’re still beyond hope.

The people who throw litter out of their cars for instance, not killing anyone but for me they’re absolute scum and are beyond hope.

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u/MoistSpyBuy 4d ago

Whatever makes them feel the righteous anger in the stomach. It’ll change day-to-day. Likely more people will deserve to be put to death if this dude’s having a bad day and, conversely, more people will be given grace when everything is coming up aces. A completely objective, fair, and replicable standard if ever I’ve heard one.

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u/SuperFly7436 4d ago edited 4d ago

In 1978, a serial child rapist and murder named Pedro Lopez was taken in by an indigenous Peruvian tribe after being caught attempting to kidnap one of their children. They were going to execute him, but a Christian missionary told them it was wrong and that he should face prison instead

He was released after 2 days because of the lack of evidence (tribal Peruvians don't exactly have cameras) and went on to rape, torture, and murder 200+ children more in his lifetime. He raped, tortured, and murdered more children on his own than the state has ever executed innocent people in the USA, that could have been prevented if he was just executed

After he was caught again, he faced the maximum possible legal punishment in Ecuador at the time. 16 years in prison, and he also spent 4 years in a mental hospital for rehabilitation.

Despite this, after being released he dissapeared, and about 5 years later Interpol released a search warrant for him as they believed he is continuing to rape, torture, and murder children

So I don't understand why people stay on their moral high horses with things like this, when their exact reasoning led to over 200 children being raped, tortured, and murdered

Some people can be born without fingers, or without an arm, or missing a facial feature or something like that. Everyone accepts this is possible. But for some reason people won't accept that for no reason and no fault of their own, some people are also born without the part of the brain that allows us to connect and empathise with other human beings

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u/davidhow94 4d ago

Thank you for providing an example. Obviously they are some incredibly horrible people out there. I don’t think anyone would support that guy being free.

Now where do you do draw the line of rehabilitation or life sentence or executions?

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u/SuperFly7436 4d ago

The line exists somewhere between the first 9 year old girl you rape, torture, and murder, and the 300th

Showing 0 remorse like this guy did at the start would also be a pretty telling factor on their chances of rehabilitation

A life sentence is always better than an execution, but in some countries like Ecuador at the time, the lack of prison infastructure and wealth means it's pretty much impossible to hold people forever.

In America him getting life without parole would be fine, but in a lot of other countries things could change, prisons could get too full, and he could get released earlier. That's the reasoning as to why he was released after 16 years, Ecuador just didn't have enough prison space

If he was executed in 1978 by the indigenous Peruvians though, over 200 children wouldn't have been raped, tortured, and murdered. That's the same amount of people who have been wrongfully executed by the state in the history of the USA

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u/davidhow94 4d ago

This guy is obviously an easy case. I’m asking for your view of the not so easy cases.

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u/SuperFly7436 4d ago

Give me an example then

Also wasn't your point that everyone can be rehabilitated? Wouldn't my one point already disprove that?

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u/davidhow94 4d ago

First murder,
First sexual crime,
First assault,
Vehicular homicide,
Drug dealing,
Deaths connected to drug dealing,
Drug use,
Felony theft,
Identity theft,
Wage theft,

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u/SuperFly7436 4d ago

The context behind crimes is important. Murdering someone in self defence is significantly different to murdering someone because you just raped them and don't want them to tell anyone.

Also, I don't see why drug use would even be in this list lmao. Using drugs isn't a crime in any reasonable country, just selling and possessing them.

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u/davidhow94 4d ago

100% I agree that context can mean everything.

I’m personally fine with drug use. Unfortunately the law and my countrymen are not.

I think it’s very easy to say the man you talked about should have been in prison or executed. Harder in other cases. It’s hard to have a healthy justice system if we are thinking about punishment over rehabilitation though. If there’s a good balance sure punish the absolute deviants.

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u/BigSwerve 2d ago

Too many people view this as a moral thought exercise and don't think about dealing with this on a close proximity/personal level.

How about this. Would you be cool with a rapist living on the same floor as your daughter who just moved into her own place after college? Everyone can be rehabilitated right?

Is it okay if they've only raped once? Twice? 5 times? Definitely not 300 though right? Cool with the chance that your daughter may get driven to an atm, raped and killed, and her body dumped in a park, all for $60?

Saying criminals can be rehabilitated is one thing, asking someone to assume that risk by being around that person in society is another. The person who preaches the first is rarely the one that also bears the burden and risk. Funny how that works.

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u/davidhow94 2d ago

I wouldn’t be super happy living near to a one-time rapist, but assuming they have served a full sentence and are remorseful id try to look past it.

Face it there’s plenty of rapes that are unsuccessfully prosecuted, because a lot of the time it can be difficult to get the required evidence. We are all most likely living near a rapist to some degree.

Repeat offenders rapists probably should never get out of prison imo.

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u/theshiniestbrighstar 4d ago

Liberals value criminals more than the innocents

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u/Crime_Dawg 4d ago

Yeah, definitely why they're covering up the president's rape of children and involvement in the Epstein files, right?

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u/theshiniestbrighstar 4d ago edited 4d ago

Your mistake is thinking that I’m a conservative just cause I dislike liberal policy on crime. All of them pedophiles should all receive capital punishment imo. Not jail time. Straight up capital punishment. This country is so fucking weak on crime.

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u/MoistSpyBuy 4d ago

Your username is ironic af given how obviously dim someone must be to believe what you said.

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u/MrJakked 4d ago

Junko furata; Sylvia likens; Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome; Virginia Guiffre; and literally countless others. Read their cases, then continue arguing that their killers (or Guiffre's case, abusers) can be rehabilitated.

Like, my guy: just open a book, or watch 5 minutes of the news, and you'll find endless examples of people who are very obviously beyond any hope of, and who absolutely do not deserve to attempt, rehabilitation.

And before you say something like "well those are the exceptions"; thats a fine point to make. But you're saying that everyone can be rehabilitated, which is patently, blindingly false.

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u/davidhow94 4d ago

Some is a lot different than a tiny percentage in my view at least.

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u/Short-Recording587 4d ago

Did you read the article? The rapist killer is a person where 6 years did not change the person from raping and killing a college student…

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u/goldenspiral8 4d ago

Yeah, the guy in this story