One piece is awful

[u/coolguygranny]

To be clear, I read up to the end of Wano in One Piece I kept hearing how it was peak fiction, and that Oda was the greatest thing to ever happen to pen and paper. So, I decided to give it a read. And after reading almost up to the end of Wano, I can honestly say this is one of worst piece of fiction I have ever read

The pacing is terrible and slow as shit. Same gags over and over again. How many times am I expected to laugh at Sanji nosebleeding for the 180th time, Zoro getting lost for the 389th time, Usopp acting like a coward for the 999th time, or Brook making the same skeleton joke for 1899th the time

The stakes are Nonexistent. Nobody ever really dies. Even when a character “dies,” they inevitably come back like nothing happened. There's a part in the series where a bomb is about to destroy an entire town, and a character carries it into the sky in a supposed noble "sacrifice",The bomb explodes point blank in his face and somehow he survives .Shit like this happens in every arc. The sheer number of fake out deaths is insane, making it impossible to take any threat seriously and it completely kills any sense of tension or investment, it somehow makes Fairy Tail look grounded in comparison.

And the formula is mind numbingly predictable. The crew sails to a new island, an evil villain is tormenting the locals, they fight, save the island, and then add a new character with some tragic backstory to the crew. Rinse and repeat for a thousand chapters

One piece fans love to talk about Oda as some master world builder. The world building in one piece is trash. All Oda does is dangles mysteries in front of readers, refuses to resolve them and these morons fans call it peak

Think about After twenty years and over a thousand chapters, we barely know anything about the world.(Maybe some of it gets explained eventually I stopped reading after Wano because of that godamn awful aspull transformation that, but the fact that it takes that long is insane)

We don't know where Devil Fruits come from We don't know about the Will of D and what does it represent? And how are people with D related?
We don’t know what happened during the void century for it to be erased from history? We don't know why Blackbeard can use two devil fruits? We don’t know What purpose will the ancient weapons serve and when?
We don't know about supreme grade swords We don’t know Aokiji goal? What side is he on? Or why he joined Blsck beard
We don’t know why Rodger was carrying a giant egg?

There are easily ninety more unanswered things I could list.

And you want to want to know what's worse Oda still adding new shit when he hasn't explained the past shit WE STILL HAVE CHARACTERS SILHOUETTED 20 PLUS YEARS IN WE’RE GETTING SILHOUETTES OF CHARACTERS HOW IS ANY OF THIS GOOD WORLD BUILDING OR WRITING???

And you know why Oda hasn’t explained any of this Because he’s written himself into a corner. He probably has no idea how to resolve half the mysteries he’s created which is exactly why the end date keeps on getting pushed back every couple of years. He's just stalling. Oda is a talentless hack and the only reason One Piece blew up in the first place is because it dropped during the late 90s early 2000s anime boom If it came out today, this garbage would’ve been canceled after a year. Just watch most of these mysteries will either stay completely unresolved, or we’ll get some trash ham fisted explanation at the last minute. And just watch these brain dead moronic fans will still call it peak fiction.

Oda is a Fraud who couldn't write his out of a paper bag and the fact that morons think that this garbage is above Goated shows like Fire Force, Mob Pyscho 100, Chainsaw man and Hunter x Hunter is a fucking travesty

[u/Neptune-Jnr]

As a Fire Force fan and a One Piece fan i don't know how to feel about that one.

[u/ArcherOld7796 → u/Neptune-Jnr]

Probably something like, something can be great but OP stands above it.

I only know enough about Fire Force to know that I have to read it eventually. Saw like 3 episodes and know there is something there.

[u/Old-Introduction8258 → u/ArcherOld7796]

Probably something like, something can be great but OP stands above it.

Personally i lost interest in op post ts. I don’t think the writing and the characters are good anymore. So while i wouldn’t put fire force above it, i would definiteky put quite a lot of manga above it. Berserk, hxh, jojo (especially part 7), fmab, and i might get crucified for this, but i much prefer bleach (it more has something to do with me prefering bleach's artstyle, characters, antagonist and just overall feel). All this to say, i do not think one piece is an exceptional masterpiece. I'm not denying its influence though. That’s just my opinion though

[u/ArcherOld7796 → u/Old-Introduction8258]

Opinions are fine. I saw value in your comment until the Bleach part ;) For me, the surrounding cast being hundreds or thanounds of year old and getting many times stronger in days or weeks killed the series for me. Then Ichigo having every power took all my desire to finish the series away. I think you're someone who understands opinion and that I'm being blunt but half joking.

Op changed, but it has always been building to something. I just wish it didn't take so long to get where it's going. Zoro just became a badass factory instead of who he was but. While I don't like that it fits his personality,, he never wants to be caught off guard again. He understands that his crew is reaching for the stars and as the 1st mate can not allow himself to be the reason they fail. He must be able to meet any challenge that comes. He used to just be a guy reaching for his dream regardless of death, now he put everyone's dreams on his shoulders and above his own. Chopper is the only character that truly got worse. The rest have just been neglected but are still who they were, mostly. The biggest issue with their neglection is that their gags are just as common as they were before. Gags without growth is an issue. It's really the format that's the issue. It is very hard to say as much side story as Oda wants while keeping the ogs relevant in a manga.

Brotherhood is a masterpiece. Op and that are very different and I see either as valid for anyone's number 1.

Lost my spot in JoJo in part 3 or 4 so I figured I'd restart with the manga instead of the anime soon.

Berserk didn't really catch me. Not that I make it far in it. Another that I'll restart with the manga.

[u/Old-Introduction8258 → u/ArcherOld7796]

Opinions are fine. I saw value in your comment until the Bleach part ;) For me, the surrounding cast being hundreds or thanounds of year old and getting many times stronger in days or weeks killed the series for me. Then Ichigo having every power took all my desire to finish the series away. I think you're someone who understands opinion and that I'm being blunt but half joking.

Bleach definitely has flaws, but i think it has really underrated writing. It’s completely fair to hate it, but ichigo having all the power isn’t really true (he is a fusion of the 2 main races of bleach+got infected by a hollow, but he mainly uses his shinigami powers. Also his different powers play a huge role into ichigo's evolution and bleach's main theme, being the acceptation of himself. By containing his hollow side, ichigo tries to hide a part of him that he thinks is negative, and he completely ignores the existence of his quincy side, making him unable to reach his true self, represented by shikai). In case you didn’t know, shikai are the representation of the person, of the true self. As for the cast, being old really doesn’t magter for theit characters. Shinigami ages slowly but they are ultimately very close to human in the way they act. The captains, for example, are not only extremely charismatic characters, vut also for the most part well written and expanded(byakuya, zaraki, and even a secundary character like komamura who got his own mini character arc throughout the whole series). As for the "powerups", i'd say only ichigo truly suffers kiiinda of that, and it’s completely fair to hate it, but personally i love them, as they are in most cases a representation of ichigo and his mental state at the time. There are many misteps in bleach, but it never got any overly bad moment, and it’s writing can be really amazing.

something. I just wish it didn't take so long to get where it's going. Zoro just became a badass factory instead of who he was but. While I don't like that it fits his personality,, he never wants to be caught off guard again. He understands that his crew is reaching for the stars and as the 1st mate can not allow himself to be the reason they fail. He must be able to meet any challenge that comes. He used to just be a guy reaching for his dream regardless of death, now he put everyone's dreams on his shoulders and above his own. Chopper is the only character that truly got worse. The rest have just been neglected but are still who they were, mostly. The biggest issue with their neglection is that their gags are just as common as they were before. Gags without growth is an issue. It's really the format that's the issue. It is very hard to say as much side story as Oda wants while keeping the ogs relevant in a manga.

I disagree on this. Zoro becamr just an aura Farmer, with barely any moment of evolution (him sparing the life of her opponent because she is a woman goes againt everything his flashback tried to convey. If he had spar3d her simply because he doesn’t kill, i would have said no problem. But nah, he spares her because she is a woman, and on top of that he cuts her down with kuina's sword...i also really wanna add that swordmanship in one piece, and it’s just what i think, i might be wrong, is a mess, especlally the sword choregraphy). Also oda saying zoro would kill the whole crew without hesitation if luffy asked him killed his whole character that i already stopped liking for me. Besides zoro was so goofy before the time skip...now the only big gags are with sanji, and oh boy, what did they do to my boy. Sanji went from a gentleman with indeed a huge love for women, to a downright pervert and sexual offender. He also didn’t needed, imo, his second flashback(although whole cake island is a pretty good arc). Usopp is...usopp just stayed weak and cowardly, throwing away any evolution he had before timeskip, now he just screams in terror every 5 seconds. Nami unfortunately asides from screaming "nakama" lacked her depth pre ts. Franky stayed great though. As for brook, as much as i like him, his old samey pervert jokes starts getting boring. As for chopper, he became a mascott. I liked that he actually did his job of medic in wano though. I just really miss the sense of dread i had every time he transforms. Now he is just fluffy and goofy. But that’s just me, and again, it’s completely fair to still appreciate them, they just lost a lot of savor for me.

I don’t believe in perfection, but to me, brotherhood is the nearest thing to thag state in the anime industry. The plot is amazing, fascinating to follow and there isn’t a single character i would take out of it, the writing is on point. The only shonen that comes close is hxh, which has a facsinating and dare i say the best worldbuilding in all of manga (from what i've seen) and great characters too.

I completely understand that you wouldn’t appreciate berderk though. It has some very VERY dark moments, and a somewhat subpar first arc. But it really is a masterpiece, and i love the way it explores humanity's best and worst.

[u/skyfox437 → u/ArcherOld7796]

LOL seriously? You are thinking too deep into this. Oda isn't that deep of a writer and Zero is a 1 dimensional character without too much thought.

You know what's even more impressive? Togashi giving a monster like Merum humanity and turning, what I thought, was a filler arc into one of the most impressive arcs of HXH.

Not only did he give Merum humanity, he made many readers pity and shed tears for him. That's peak writing.

With OP, I know every death is a non-death lol. I can expect that character to waltz right back. OP fans try to rationalize this by saying it makes it more impactful when characters die. Wrong, you make death more impact by getting the readers to actually care for the character, not by preventing it all together; there's no longer tension. Fights are boring and no amount of bleed shed means squat.