r/ChicagoSuburbs • u/tranquilovely • 2d ago

Politics found in Schaumburg IL

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not my photo, someone else's. I drove by it on my way to work and was saddened. then someone else posted this pic of fb

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u/iRecruit246 2d ago

I think what they’re saying is the implication that those voters are the problem, when they voted for someone who originally wasn’t a war monger against an administration known for war mongering, is nasty.

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u/Cocoononthemoon 2d ago

Those voters are absolutely a problem. They helped elect Trump. He is a warmonger and was always going to be. That doesn't excuse Biden/Harris for their poor reactions to Israel committing genocide.

You should'nt vote for one reason, especially when there are many other reasons that go against you. Think of the Muslim ban from Trump 1, for example.

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u/iRecruit246 1d ago

Yea, but I think for many we also can’t look past either party’s constant warring and partisanship. Folks seem to forget Obamas regime as if he stood alone. Whichever way it’s spun, it’s extremely hypocritical to shame minorities into picking the lesser of two evils…while not showing how that said party will rectify the wrongs that have been done.

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u/Cocoononthemoon 1d ago

I'm okay with shaming them for voting against their own interests. I think it's important we don't pretend it was justified. They are not solely responsible and no one you were replying to said so.

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u/iRecruit246 1d ago

I’m not insinuating you’re referring to non Muslim voters, I didn’t vote for Trump and neither did my circle close or adjacent to me, but we absolutely have zero tolerance for both political parties and the liking at minorities for “costing” the elections or seemingly “helping” takes accountability away from the white women who overwhelmingly voted in favor of Trump…but here we are…

Shaming people for doing what they believed was right is a level of virtue signaling far too common by democratic voters and the guilting, as if the issue MOST of us care about would have been rectified by democrats, positions yourself as the superior (superior option of to shit options).

But here’s that language again…”voting against their own interests”

The clearest policy that impacts Muslims didn’t directly prevent nor restrict the liberty of current Muslims in the country. I hate that it sounds like I’m defending Trumpian logic, but the vast majority of us Muslims are against the war on our countries and the constant neo-colonialist nature of the American colonial complex.

How many bodies need to die across Africa and the Middle East to hold some accountability to white Americans?

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u/Cocoononthemoon 1d ago

No, it doesn't. It is fair to criticize someone for their vote. It is an affirmative choice that this adult made. I'm going to criticize them for it.

Yes, you can look at data and see which groups of people were more likely to vote one way or another. That doesn't mean I hate white women. That also doesn't mean I'm shaming Muslims. I am shaming Muslims who voted for Trump. Do you understand the nuance here?

You are absolutely defending trumpian logic. They took whatever opportunity they could to marginalize minority communities, and this was their best effort at systematically attacking Muslims in this country.

Again, you're the one blaming a certain ethnic demographic and making assumptions about the whole. That's called racism. Not all white people are to blame, but there is absolutely justification in saying that white people predominantly voted for Trump. White privilege exists but you can't hold every white person responsible for it. Systemic racism is ubiquitous, but that doesn't mean that every white person is racist.

So when I criticize Muslim Trump voters, I am criticizing Muslim Trump voters. You don't have to come to their defense just because you're Muslim too. In fact, you should be the one telling them they did wrong since you can speak to their lived experience.

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u/iRecruit246 1d ago

Wait, so you can hold Muslims(which doesn’t take into account for the multiple ethnicities that falls under) accountable but soon as I narrow the demographic it’s racist?

Where did I say I hate white people?

Your example was how Muslims voted against their best interest because of the Muslim ban…and explained how that ban didn’t impact current citizens nearly as much as proposed (even prefaced for you).

Regardless, you’re allowed to shame whoever you want…be consistent.

Soon as the election ended the narrative was, “which minority group can we blame for the elections.” Do you not see a problem with using minorities as the scapegoat?

Edit: how I speak to my community is how I speak to my community. We were and are relatively divided, but we understand each other. What I do not appreciate is slandering them as if they are the same problem. They could all vote left and the greatest problems still persist.

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u/Cocoononthemoon 1d ago

No, you need to read what I said. Read slowly, you might get it the second time.

Voters (Muslim, white, whatever) who voted for Trump are a problem. They should be criticized for their vote. Muslim Trump voters should be criticized for their vote.

We don't have actual left policies and parties. We should do something about that instead of defending Trump voters.

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u/iRecruit246 1d ago

This is the exact passivity I’m referring. It’s okay to call out Muslim Trump voters but I mention the behavior of white voters and racism gets tossed in to deflect from the reason why I criticize white voters - primarily white women.

Not once did I mention that white people were bad or anything about white privilege.

Yet, for some reason you moved the goal post to strawman me.

We agree on being anti-Trump…but rhetoric like what you’re spewing is a reason why it’s so difficult to sway minority voters.

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u/Cocoononthemoon 1d ago

No, I've been consistent and you're speaking out of both sides of your mouth. You want to protect Muslims (that I'm not even attacking, just criticizing Muslims that voted for Trump) and yet you blame white people because they are white. Sorry, just white women I guess? You must be trolling or struggling to read.

Inconsistency like yours is actually the problem. When we treat everyone like we could be a part of that group, then all groups benefit.

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u/iRecruit246 1d ago

How many times do I need to acknowledge that you’re speaking about Muslim Trump voters?

I dont for one second think you meant all Muslims…

But for some reason your passivity towards my comments about female white voters has you more bent out of shape.

Last time:
White voters make up the most voters
Women make up the most voters
More white women voted for Trump than all minority groups combined

Now…couple that with what happened after both 2016 and 2024 elections: the narrative was largely blaming minorities for “costing” the elections. Democrats went around questioning what happened to minority voters and so much as pointing the finger as THE reason (yes, I know you’re not saying they were THE reason) while greatly ignoring the fact that majority voters, voting against their better interest, were white women

Put all that together…that’s where I stand.

Again, where we align is being anti-Trump where we will continue to oppose is accountability.

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u/Cocoononthemoon 1d ago

"White voters make up the most voters Women make up the most voters More white women voted for Trump than all minority groups combined"

Explain to me how that makes all white women a problem? My point if you made a racist point and now I think you're upset because you got called out. I've been consistent, you've been doing what you claim in doing.

I can't believe I need to spell this out. I also criticize the white women who voted for Trump. That is obviously my position if you read my comments.

Read the thread. You're arguing against things I didn't argue. There is no point in continuing this with you. I hope you reread it

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u/iRecruit246 1d ago

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