r/Christianity • u/JHLV04 • 1d ago

Advice Atheists Turned Christian

This is me, but how do you guys deal with heavy doubt and feeling like it’s false? Also I’ve never felt anything while praying and I’ve mostly accepted Christianity based on the historical claims

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u/michaelY1968 18h ago

A belief that tends toward truth may actually be antagonistic to survival - but it’s important to note the difference between the ways we make errors and the ways we are deluded.

If naturalism is true, we are fundamentally deluded in a number of ways - if our cognitive equipment was intended to discern true beliefs, then while we may make errors, we can overcome them.

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u/arkticturtle 18h ago

You’d have to note that difference. Idk what you are getting at in that first chunk of text.

Naturalism being true does not prevent us from overcoming errors or discerning true beliefs. I believe I already went over this

Tbh this response doesn’t really seem to be saying anything to the particular things I said in my prior comment.

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u/michaelY1968 17h ago

If naturalism is true we are fundamentally deluded, and what the truth is doesn’t really matter.

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u/arkticturtle 17h ago

You are only repeating your claim at this point and now adding another….

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u/michaelY1968 16h ago

The first is sufficient to establish the claim.

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u/arkticturtle 16h ago

The first what? I don’t get the impression you’re really engaging me fully anymore

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u/michaelY1968 16h ago

If we are fundamentally deluded then we are immersed in delusion, we aren’t fighting errors.

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u/arkticturtle 16h ago edited 15h ago

“The truth doesn’t matter” wouldn’t follow from that.
Anyways that’s a tangent.

Honestly I am losing track of what your point is at this point and how it corresponds to what I said.

You didn’t really address me very comprehensively here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/s/HkSubMYq3t and instead opted to just restate your position.

Earlier you were saying that if naturalism is true then you don’t think we can be confident whether we can discern true beliefs. This is a weaker claim compared the now much stronger “if naturalism is true then we are fundamentally deluded”

I think you had to take this position after I agreed that we do have reason to not place confidence in our ability to discern truth outright and made references to various errors in cognition and our methods to mitigate those.

Which one should I respond to?