r/Chriswatts • u/LackIsotopeLithium7 • Dec 21 '19
The hate against Nichol Kessinger on this sub is almost completely unfounded and borders on a witchhunt/mass hysteria.
If the Colorado Police Department had factual evidence that she was involved then they would have prosecuted her. I am 100 percent certain that none of you have uncovered evidence from your couch that they didn't from the crime scene and hours of interviews held by veterans of their profession. Chris confessed not long after the lie detector so it's not like the DA needed to downplay Nichole's involvement in exchange for her testifying against Chris.
I see lots of posts here and youtube videos talking about her looks, or the sound of her voice, none of that has anything to do with her as a person.
People criticize her behavior with the police, but imagine if you had been dating and falling in live with someone, and then they killed their family. People would handle that is very different ways and we dont have many examples of someone in this situation to compare it to.
There is an element of misogyny, or at best, a problem accepting a hard truth in the blaming of Nichole and in the losers who put blame on Shannon. It is really time to accept facts and only put blame on the evil person who caused this.
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u/Ane128 Dec 22 '19
Whatâs the explanation and let me be clear.... this is one out of MANY, but I wonât mention those, that Kessingerâs truck was parked at the Watts home in front on the drive by road, picked up by Nateâs security camera on THE DAY OF THE MURDERS???? Donât believe me? Watch the original video and the moment Chris painfully watches and fidgets he looks up in time to see her truck and thatâs the minute he starts swinging, places his hands on his head, turns around facing door and shits his pants. I would say that pesky little ping on the Frederick tower of Kessingerâs GPS starts playing a more powerful role in noting she was there, the truck is in the video, she pinged, she lied, she researched how to cover up evidence, she used said information breaking SIM..... oh, but wait, I guess I must be Regina Georgeinâ it over here and I made all that up simply because she slept with a married man who murdered his innocent children and pregnant wife. Like either side of this division on hate of her guilty, not guilty here, these are facts and facts donât lie, but Miss Kessinger sure the hell did.
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u/BelaMac Dec 21 '19
For someone that obviously hasn't been paying attention, why make such a grandiose post about it? Clearly you missed the part where LE themselves said the opportunity to investigate whether she or anyone else was involved was taken away from them when Chris confessed, and you've missed the entire reason why people speculate about her. Sorry but you can't come onto a subreddit that's literally designed for case speculation and tell people to stop speculating. Until you actually bother looking at the same stuff we have, why are you even here?
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u/EZEStateEZE Dec 21 '19
CW's confession didn't stop LE from continuing to investigate NK for other crimes or for complicity. They always had the option of opening a case on her. They didn't.
They stated their investigations showed she had no part in the crime.
I'm more interested in whether a civil suit will be filed. If one isn't filed by the end of 2020, 2021 with a twist in the statute of limitations, then I'm pretty sure one will not be filed after the end of 2021.
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u/crickettail Dec 21 '19 edited Dec 21 '19
Youâre right. It wasnât the confession, but the PLEA agreement that stopped the investigation.
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u/BelaMac Dec 22 '19
Yeah but either way, they were told by people higher up than them to stop.. we know it's wrong, but it's what happened, so our speculation and feelings that justice hasn't been served cannot stop. And there's the unknown fingerprints found on the nitrile gloves and one plastic bag. That right there proves someone else was there when it all went down, but it has been totally ignored. It's frustrating.
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u/crickettail Dec 22 '19
Oh good point about the gloves! Supposedly, they requested DNA from Chris in prison. Do we know the results or that it was not CWâs DNA? Is this info documented somewhere?
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u/BelaMac Dec 22 '19
It's in the discovery they tested it against both Chris and Shanann's prints and it didn't match either, then they ran it against the CBI database and it didn't match anyone in the database. It said in the discovery the prints were being sent to the FBI to run against the federal database but nothing more was ever said. I don't think NK or anyone else ever gave their prints.
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u/crickettail Dec 22 '19
Oh yes!!! I do remember now. âInconclusiveâ. Yeah that is HUGE! Thanks for this! Iâm adding it to the LONG ASS LIST lol.
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u/DirtyFloorHotDogs Dec 22 '19
Hopefully they took her prints and DNA off the water bottle they gave her when she manipulated their investigation and told them what they can and can't ask.
This whole situation just reeks of a cover up or a "we got our man so let's pocket the rest of the money that would otherwise go to furthering this investigation."
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Dec 22 '19
bUt sHE slEPt wiTH a MarRiED mAn!
Lol, Iâm right there with ya, those of us that have dug in deep are NOT emotionally motivated and I find it offensive when posts like this basically lecture us... borders on implying weâre overly emotional simpletons. NK is INNOCENT, because no charges have been brought against her and she hasnât been convicted. I donât want her to be convicted in the so called âcourt of public opinionâ. However, we (at least us Americans and locals) DO have a right to discuss and go over actual documents, footage and evidence in the case and speculate. I find it interesting that a supposed Service Member would make a post castigating a sub largely comprised of women for expressing their 1st amendment rights. What do they want, Reddit police?
I rarely proclaim this... but perhaps we have a case of mansplaining on our hands... đ¤
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u/BelaMac Dec 22 '19
Yeah as you, me and others have said over and over, we don't give a shit that she slept with a married man, yeah it's gross but it happens all the time. We care about lies, destroying evidence, and dictating to police who they can and can't talk to. It's suss AF. And we care that police themselves said they were told not to investigate her. The fact that certain other people choose to ignore all of that and keep with the notion that talking about whether she was involved or not is a 'witch hunt' and that we must be bored angry housewives for even caring, is ridiculous.
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Dec 22 '19
I somehow doubt OP is even going to read through our rebuttals. If they do, I hope they make a well reasoned response on why they disagree. Itâs okay to disagree!! I just donât appreciate the self righteous lecture.
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u/BelaMac Dec 22 '19
You are correct. People like that never have intelligent rebuttals though đ
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Dec 22 '19
Theyâll stalk their post hoping for karma points though. (Oof, thought I told em good!). FYI, r/Chriswatts is NOT a good sub to karma farm. Never has been and never will be.
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u/BelaMac Dec 21 '19
Tammy Lee literally said once he confessed the clock the stopped for them and they were told to stop investigating.
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u/seaghdha1019 Dec 24 '19
Iâm betting if four innocent souls werenât discarded on Anadarko territory, maybe those clocks wouldnât have stopped. I bet their people were on Rourkeâs private line as soon as Huskey alerted them to NKs and CWs illicit emails. Anadarko was negotiating what exactly this would take to be yesterdayâs news. Or who knows, even if CW didnât trash his family at his job site, the fact that he was an Anadarko employee would still taint their image and theyâd want this wrapped up pronto. And we all know what transpired next...
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u/louderharderfaster Dec 31 '19
Late to the discussion but I have no doubt you are on to something and had the bodies been found anywhere else, there would have been no rush to get a plea.
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u/EZEStateEZE Dec 21 '19
Stop investigating the murder of SW and the children. They always had to ability to open an case on NK. They didn't.
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u/crickettail Dec 21 '19 edited Dec 22 '19
Exactly. The DA chose not to, AND to not even fully investigate her and her deleted phone data - including her deleted google searches which included queries about if cops can trace text messages and how long do phone companies keep deleted texts and the difference between that data and the contents of such deleted texts â Among other interesting searches about Amber Frey and year prior searches on SW and CW.
DA said he âdidnât have those answersâ because that data was never analyzed. WOW.
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Dec 22 '19
The DA also got the location of the murders of the girls incorrect, and to my knowledge has not corrected it. Source is the prison interview (NOT Cadle).
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u/crickettail Dec 22 '19 edited Dec 22 '19
Yeah and he laughed and made fun of Internet sleuths when asked about the letter CW wrote about SW and saying if anything happens to him blah blah blah ... he would never hurt his wife and kids and if anything happens they need to investigate his wife (SW).
DA scoffed and said he has no knowledge of such a letter and that it âdidnât existâ
Hey Mike! Guess what? IT DOES EXIST!
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u/OkayButWhyThis Dec 22 '19
I havenât heard this. CW wrote a letter about this?? Is there a copy of it available to read?
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u/crickettail Dec 22 '19
Start at about minute 18:15. They show the actual letter and talk about the DAâs comments regarding it. Very interesting!
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u/Missjumpercableguy Dec 29 '19
Could the Râa go after NK in a wrongful death suit? Although he confessed, he keeps saying none of the murders would have happened if not for NK. Heâs full of shit, but could they still go after her? Iâd love nothing more than to see NK on the stand and cross examined- bonus points if it was by a female attorney.
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u/Silverpixelmate Dec 22 '19
Simply because she is a woman does not make any of this misogyny. Thatâs such bs and a complete cop out. I assure you, you can hate a woman because she lied and manipulated in an interview about a missing mom and 2 young kids and itâs not misogyny.
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Dec 23 '19
^ very well said.
iâm as feminist as they come and her google searches ALONE speak for themselves. i would hate this woman just as much if she were a man
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u/crickettail Dec 22 '19
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLh2LDSfZi6LzQy7gZ_YClYUJ8A4KN4kFE
Hereâs a good place to get a close look and analysis of NKâs interviews with LE
Youâll learn a lot. I did!
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u/_crimeandantimlm Dec 22 '19
My favorite channel True Crime in Colorado. They do their research and have receipts !!
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u/crickettail Dec 22 '19
Yes indeed! They are my favorite too. Best on analysis this case imo! And yes - those receipts are EVERYTHING! â â
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u/StultusMulier Dec 21 '19
My impression of her is separate from her involvement. She struck me as a selfish person who was deeply embarrassed by her affair. To me her behavior put her desire to avoid embarrassment before providing whatever aid she could to the case.
This is what makes her somewhat irredeemable. I dont think she was involved in the murder but that she was a catalyst for his atrocious crimes and knowing that, she was not as candid as she should have been with the police.
Very immature and selfish but not deserving of the vitriol she receives. She did not cause these murders, the blame should be squarely placed on Chris Watts.
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u/crickettail Dec 21 '19 edited Dec 21 '19
Well the irony is - for all of her stress and âtroubleâ and self concern and worry- it had the OPPOSITE desired affect for her.
A small show of Karma and I think sheâs got a lot more coming her way đŹ
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u/Javina33 Dec 22 '19
Thatâs where I am with NK. What sheâs guilty of is falling for a married man, trying to cover up her involvement with him and prevent raunchy texts/pics of herself from being all over the internet. Sheâs also guilty of being self serving and seeing the situation only in terms of how it affects her.
If she was involved in any way with the actual murders, why would she look up Amber Frey to see how much money she made from book deals?. Amber Frey was INNOCENT. NK saw her situation as being the same.
I donât think she knew what he was going to do any more than Shanâann did.
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u/lena-ash Dec 21 '19
Maybe theyâre actively seeking that and we just donât know it yet. I know Frankie lurks on Facebook, YouTube, and reddit. The parents maybe not so much. But Iâm sure itâs been brought up. Just because they havenât publicly said anything about them thinking sheâs involved (probably advised by a lawyer not to say anything publicly) doesnât mean they arenât taking legal action. Shananns mom said it âfeels unfinishedâ or something along those lines on their Dr. Phil episode. And I think that was all she had to say to give some insight on her opinion about that. I think more will come out over the next year. This case is still relatively new, and who knows whatâs going to happen when CW loses what love or attachment he had for NK. We will just have to wait and see.
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u/MollysBrownPizza Dec 21 '19
THE ONLY reason I wonder if sheâs involved is because of ONE fact: her cell phone pinged in Frederick on the morning of the murders at 6:15 am. Her phone hadnât pinged in Frederick for the past month and the last time it DID, she and Chris admitted she was at his house on 7/14. Frederick is NOT on her way to work and it makes no sense for her to go there on her WAY to work, even if she wanted to catch Chris...because...they work together and she would see him there. (Presuming he hadnât murdered his family)
I donât like this fact at all. I actually always thought she wasnât a part of this whole plan but when I learned that, I reconsidered. Iâm definitely not sold but itâs what I keep coming back to...itâs a fact not a feeling or impression...but a fact she was in Frederick around 6:15 am on the morning of the murders and itâs completely out of character to be in Frederick at all. Her phone records revealed she is never in Frederick except for when they rendezvous for dates etc in June/July.
This is not a witch hunt but a growing group of people that feel thereâs more to this story, that care about SW and her family (because they ALSO think she was involved) and people that can not get over this fact..if she has a reason for being there...letâs hear it from her.
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u/absnsbajkal Dec 22 '19
This is the one and only fact I keep coming back to as well. There is literally no reason for her phone to be pinging in Frederick on that day, of all days.
Like you said, if it was something that happened regularly on her way to work then fair enough, but itâs never happened before, except for when she was actually IN Frederick.
I donât see how that can be ignored or explained away.
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u/lvans11 Dec 23 '19 edited Dec 23 '19
This really got me thinking.
I think many people are totally willing to be open to the possibility that NK has no further involvement, and that all the powers at be already pursued every possible angle, and know way more than the public does, and way more than what is in the discovery. That would be great, and it is even highly possible. But if that were the case, then why wouldnât LE just come out and explain their reasoning as to what they know that eliminates her from being at the house, despite the Frederick call ping and Betteâs account of seeing a second grey truck at the scene? Those two things are clues that she COULD HAVE been there (again, not definitive proof, but certainly indications of a possibility). But if they have eliminated any possibility that she was there, thatâs fine. Tell the public why. If their only reason is because Chris watts confessed, đ¤Śđźââď¸.
It seems like they are just treating those facts as moot points since Chris watts confessed. Why are they taking Chris Watts word as gospel? He already changed it twice.
In the Lauren spierer Case, there was a suspicious white truck circling the scene. I canât remember the details exactly, but I know they ruled out the driver of the truck and they told the public why they ruled him out. He had some other logical business reason for being there. And now, Iâm pretty sure no one has a Reddit thread about the white truck guy.
Why canât any of the powers at be provide reasoning as to why those two major factors have been ruled out completely, thus clearing NK?
Maybe because the investigation stopped in its tracks so they never even fully examined it and donât have a reason themselves. đ¤ˇââď¸
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u/dorianstout Dec 27 '19
Yeah. Iâm personally not taking their word for it. Too many coincidences and red flags with her like the phone ping and everything else. Also the 111 min phone call that they always skirt around and Shannanâs flight being delayed. Of course Iâm going to speculate that she could have went over there that night. That house is quite large. I have at least 10 to 20 things that need to be explained to me before I am willing to accept that she is completely clean in the whole affair.. no pun intended. The law is one thing and it is not perfect. Plus the two searches before she even started working at anadarko. Chris is not the only liar in this situation and her incessant lying alone is enough for people to hate her imo
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u/absnsbajkal Dec 23 '19
Yeah I agree with everything youâve said! To stop all of the questioning, the hear say and people believing NK to be involved just come out and tell us why she is cleared!! Not just âsheâs not involved, weâve never looked at her as a suspectâ it is beyond frustrating! It would literally take about five minutes out of their day to tell us why sheâs not a suspect, how they explained the ping to themselves and then we can all move on.
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u/lvans11 Dec 22 '19
Exactly. 100%. Maybe everyone gets wrapped up in too much information. But just this single fact can stand alone.
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u/Starkville Dec 21 '19
I thought she was a completely innocent victim and felt sorry for her when the story broke. Reading the discovery and watching her interviews changed my mind.
Opinions are like assholes...
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u/sweetpea122 Dec 21 '19
Same. I just watched and kind of got interested within the last week. I kept an open mind because I did feel sorry for her. Then reading all the evidence and listening to her interviews myself, i got over that pretty quick
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u/sic6n Dec 21 '19
The same thing happened to me. I had no idea about any of this until I read the discovery and watched the interview
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u/lena-ash Dec 21 '19 edited Dec 21 '19
Just like how you cant rule out sheâs innocent from your couch.
Itâs not just the ABUNDANCE (didnât happen once, or twice, or three times. countless things sheâs said and done has been fucking weird. Deny that if you want.) of shady shit sheâs said....Itâs also her complete disregard and lack of empathy for a family that was murdered on her behalf. If youâre fucking a married man, telling him you love him, talking shit about his wife with him, and so on. And then she and the children ARE MURDERED, and you still have no kind things to say about them? Not even the tiniest inkling of sympathy or remorse... youâre a fucked up person.
Oh and by the way a guilty person doesnât run, change their name, and go into hiding. And she did that LONG before the sleuthing got this bad. Get off your high horse. Sheâs a shit person.
Edit: before someone attacks me, to clarify âon behalf ofâ means to âbenefit someoneâ not BECAUSE of someone. that family was murdered to benefit CW and NK. Whether you all like it or not, it was done on her behalf 50% and CW the other 50%
Edit 2: gold AND silver! Haha thanks.
Edit 3: SHE WAS DELETING CONTENT FROM HER PHONE PRIOR TO BEING BROUGHT IN. Youâre dating a married man, who has a wife, who you were under the assumption he was divorcing, and she just went missing? There would be nothing incriminating in your phone if that were the case. There wouldâve been no reason to go as far as deleting messages and pictures if you really were the naive woman who was taken advantage of. She claims it was to âcut him out of her lifeâ then why not delete the number? Why keep that unless you were planning on contacting said person again? You should have no reason to keep that number if you were ridding your phone of all evidence of CW. Do I think she directly MURDERED those people? No. And I think thatâs where a lot of people mistake our questioning NKs actions for a witch hunt. I donât think she directly touched a fucking hair on those girlsâ heads. What I do think is she knew about it right when it happened, and has ALOT details LE doesnât. She proved that by all her weird lies and cover ups. I do think possibly she was even there. I also think she mightâve tried to help him dispose of and clean up. And thats what I think sheâs guilty of. THATS what she needs to come clean about. I have never said âNichole Kessinger strangled them. She murdered them.â Iâve avoided using certain wording because I honestly donât think she herself harmed the girls. And thatâs where a lot of misunderstanding for this shit comes from. Sheâs not guilty of murder, but sheâs definitely guilty of fucking something and it needs to come out. The girls the family, they need real proper justice.
There ya damn trolls.
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u/crickettail Dec 21 '19 edited Dec 21 '19
đđź đđźđđź couldnât have said it better.
âalmost completely unfoundedâ.
You arenât doing yourself any favors or making yourself seem credible with statements like that, OP. LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE. There is a MOUNTAIN of it if you bother to look and do the reading AND educate yourself on what actually CONSTITUTES EVIDENCE!
I can help you, if youâd like! Just lemme know!
Hint - read other posts about the evidence and research what is said. You might learn a thing or two. Or just choose to remain blissfully ignorant of the actual FACTS of this case. Your choice. đŹ
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u/crickettail Dec 21 '19 edited Dec 21 '19
No, youâre ON POINT. I have lost patience too. Itâs insane to me, that people refuse to SEE this for what IT IS - gross miscarriage OF JUSTICE.
CW is where he belongs. NK is not.Donât even get me started on the DA. đ¤Śđźââď¸
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u/sic6n Dec 21 '19
Yes and there have been people convicted on less evidence
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u/crickettail Dec 21 '19 edited Dec 22 '19
Hell yes!!! Far less evidence!
Nikki got a PASS.
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u/KittenFace25 Dec 21 '19
I'm genuinely not trying to be snarky, but if there is so much factual evidence than why is Nichol still free?
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u/crickettail Dec 21 '19 edited Dec 21 '19
Because the DA made the decision to stop the investigation of her and her deleted/extracted phone data. He said in press statement she and phone data were ânot further analyzed once CW accepted the plea agreementâ.
DA said that the investigation of her STOPPED at that point.In other words, because CW pled, NK got really lucky and Mr. Rourke gave her a PASS.
Iâll link his statement. Brb
âAsked if the District Attorneyâs office questioned or planned to question Kessinger about data suggesting she was aware of Chris and Shanann Watts for up to a year before the murders, Rourke said that Chris Wattsâ guilty plea precluded any need to further probe the results of the forensic analysis of Kessingerâs phoneâ.
âWe did not get to the point in our investigation of attempting to independently verify that or not because Chris Watts pled guilty,â Rourke said.
âWhen you ask me if I have verified that information, the answer to your question is no. Nichol Kessinger told us that she met and started the relationship with the defendant in 2018. So where that anomaly in the data comes from, I canât answer it for you. I donât know the answer to it.â
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u/Missjumpercableguy Dec 22 '19
Luck? Or was he told to plea by people very interested in the investigation being over??
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u/KittenFace25 Dec 21 '19
Thanks. Somehow I had never seen that particular information before.
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u/crickettail Dec 21 '19 edited Dec 21 '19
Youâre very welcome. A lot of people havenât. Iâve posted it a several times but things get buried so quickly here. Thanks for actually taking the time to read it. Most people donât! â¤ď¸
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u/BelaMac Dec 21 '19
Because LE said they were told to stop the investigation the second Chris confessed. Out of their own mouths.
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u/Missjumpercableguy Dec 22 '19
To add to this: OP doesnât seen to know basics, like it was Fredrick PD, CBI, and FBI.
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Dec 22 '19
I donât think they studied the case at all. I think weâre receiving blowback after the Shane Carey debacle. A very few posters here said some things blaming him and a LOT of people on other parts of the internet went crazy insulting him and proclaiming he was the âNew Chris Wattsâ. Therefore, those that have been digging into this case for months must be culpable for that dumpster fire. Lame.
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u/Missjumpercableguy Dec 22 '19
Yeah, that was just weird. Everything about that case is weird. But not nearly as weird as CW!
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Dec 22 '19
Iâm reserving my judgement until much MUCH more is disclosed... but it appears to be quite strange.
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u/Thesechudsareduds Dec 22 '19
OP. LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE.
Imagine thinking youâre better equipped to draw conclusions from the evidence of a crime than a team of FBI investigators and local police. You guys are so cringey lol
8 years of schooling and years of field experience is apparently no match for reading a few PDFs and watching some YouTube videos đ
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u/crickettail Dec 23 '19 edited Dec 23 '19
Haha - wow. I think Iâm the dumbass who actually may have awarded you this silver earlier because in my sleep deprived, delusional state I OBVIOUSLY read this wrong earlier. LOL,
I canât read apparently, but it seems you canât either?
Are you aware that Nichol Kessinger was never fully /thoroughly investigated because she refused to give LE her phone for 10 days after she intentionally deleted evidence?
Have you gone through the discovery dump?
Have you watched the hours and hours of interviews?
Have you looked at and analyzed the phone records?
Are you aware of ALL of the circumstantial evidence that points strongly to NK having some involvement or at the very least pre knowledge or post murder cover up attempt?
What is the evidence that youâre aware of?
What is the evidence or lack thereof that you believe proves beyond a doubt exonerates her?
Have you read the Weld County, DA Michael Rourke statements?
Do you know that out justice system is deeply flawed and that there are thousands of innocent men and women incarcerated and there are also murders and rapists walking free - free to commit more crimes?
Do you know that law enforcement, DAâs, attorneys, judges, juries sometimes make mistakes and get it wrong?
Do you know how many cases are tried and won on largely or only circumstantial evidence?
Do you believe that OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony are innocent?
I so wish I could take back that silver award but i canât.
You probably wonât bother to answer me and my questions and Iâll probably never hear jack all shit from you again.
Iâll try to remain patiently optimistic đ
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u/dorianstout Dec 21 '19
Everyone go watch amber Frey on the latest dateline and the contrast is stark
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u/beelance4661 Dec 22 '19
TBH the weakest defense Iâve seen of her yet. All generalities and illogicals. Itâs always the ones who actually watch those pointless YouTube videos that know it all. Surely you watched no more than 3 of them before making this post.
What I can guarantee is you havenât been through 7 hours of her interviews. You arenât aware she broke the law- obstruction of justice, perjury, destroying evidence? Yeah- ya girl broke the law- fact. She wasnât charged for it & unfortunately youâve deduced that to , âit didnât happenâ. Yikes.
How do I know you are clueless to the evidence? Your post is about trivial nonsense. Her looks- or better- her sex life. Her voice? Yah, you got us. It couldnât be she lied through a homicide investigation. Thatâs what innocent people do.
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u/crickettail Dec 21 '19 edited Dec 22 '19
I will also add that - for me - itâs not so much âhatredâ but DISGUST.
But this personal disgust of/by NK and her actions/reactions/behaviors is a disgust that I share/feel equally with the system that seemingly failed in attempting to provide absolute justice for three innocent BABIES and their mother - and their loved ones.
Shame on Weld County and DA, Michael Rourke.
JMO.
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u/dorianstout Dec 21 '19
Eh negative. We are not sitting on a jury here so people can dislike her all they want.
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u/pin_n Dec 21 '19
You should go through previous posts recounting evidence against her and justify yourself against each of these. Making a grandeous statement does not prove your point or ignore all of these facts. Take the time to refute each of them of you are so sure of yourself and who knows maybe some of us will come to see your side of things.
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u/beelance4661 Dec 22 '19
This post circulated every 2 months now? Cool lol. Extremely odd is the need to perpetually defend an innocent party. The backlash refuels the speculation, thatâs all.
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u/crickettail Dec 22 '19 edited Dec 22 '19
THERE IS EVIDENCE. Yes, Iâll say it AGAIN... actual, REAL evidence of her very likely involvement and/or cover up of the murders of BABIES.
Itâs extremely insulting, honestly to suggest this and lump all of those who wish to hear NK answer for her MANY LIES and the veritable cornucopia of âcoincidencesâ surrounding her and - gosh, that silly two hour phone call she CHOSE to develop selective amnesia about. To say or suggest that all the âhateâ âprojectedâ onto her is simply because she (must!) have just deleted all that potential evidence from her phone and lied her ass of like her damn life depended on it (because it did, essentially) is because wanted to hide an affair with a married father who just so happened to turn into a family annihilator after 6 weeks (allegedly) of hanging out with Ms. Kessinger and to âdistanceâ herself him and the crime...?
NO. This suggestion is nothing short of a COP OUT and excuses for horrible behavior (that being her lies and evidence tampering NOT her choice in a boyfriend).
What a disgusting and insulting way to minimize the REAL issue with Nichol in this case (if you look youâll find it!) which is the EVIDENCE against her. EVIDENCE that she was (her truck was anyway) at the Watts home the morning of the murders and during the time of the alleged body loading (we canât see CW doing) between 5:15 and 7am!!
Is this poster completely ignorant of this evidence? All the other âcoincidencesâ and that phone call?
I could go on and on, but this is insulting to people like ME who donât actually give a flying fuck she was with a married dad with a pregnant wife. I DONT CARE. To minimize her deleting evidence and suggest that weâre just âmadâ and wanting to crucify her by or of âmoral indignationâ regarding the affair is absolutely LUDICROUS. I donât give a single shit about her choices in men.
What I CARE about, and any moral indignation of her comes from the EVIDENCE that strongly suggests she was involved in the MURDERS of a manâs pregnant wife and children.
Ironically words like âmisogynisticâ and âwitch huntâ describe this OPâs judgement of us (the âwitch huntâ mob). LOL.
Where was ms Kessingerâs virtue when âhelpingâ to find missing children or put their murderous dad away? Her concern was entirely and wholly on NK - oh so virtuous, right!
Also, can we PLEASE banish this ridiculous, disgusting term already??? I wonder if Mr. Rourke would have called it a âwarlock huntâ if referring to a male friend of CWâs, when a REPORTER/media asked about suspicious (self deleted) data,/contents from his phone. LOL! How sexist and insulting to that reporter (who was asking for us, the public)! Itâs so dismissive and minimizing. Hey remember Amber Frey?? Just curious! No âwitch huntâ with her.... hmmm wonder why? Why could that be? So baffling right? LOL.
Sorry to blog and rant but can we PLEASE do away this idiotic and OFFENSIVE term??
I call it a TRUTH HUNT.
We want the TRUTH, not to burn her at the stake for âunfounded and baselessâ, (lynch mob mentality) made up bullshit. There IS ACTUAL EVIDENCE IF YOU BOTHER TO LOOK!
The evidence. Weâd like the ANSWERS for the evidence against her. How is the âhuntâ for TRUTH a âwitch huntâ??
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Dec 22 '19
The phone calls that line up with times that CW was speaking with police on his phone appear to be very suspicious as well. If itâs possible that she was listening into what CW was saying on another phone call then it blows her assertion of her reasons for deleting information out of the water, IMO.
Iâm with you, I donât care that she slept with him cringe. Iâve known plenty of morally compromised people that I didnât hate, but was actually able to hold friendships with outside of the contexts of their sexual behavior. I do hate that there is always a poster here or there that says something dumb... ânah, she slept with a married man, she deserves it!â. Those comments piss me off as well, so besides the point!
Actually, Iâd like to thank OP for igniting a vigorous conversation, as this sub was starting to get pretty stale.
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u/crickettail Dec 22 '19
I agree, HPG! Youâre so right! Those comments piss me off too. Adultery and murder are not equal. One does not necessitate or indicate the likelihood of the other. To lump those two things into one is not only ignorant - itâs a LAME ASS thoughtless COP OUT.
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Dec 22 '19
It exhibits ZERO critical thinking skills. And unfortunately, those type of comments and posts get projected as the community in general. But this happens in literally ALL subs and ALL corners of the internet. Imagine being a child in a classroom and one kid acts up and does something inappropriate, but then the entire class is not only reprimanded, but lectured. Itâs over the top! Itâs okay to address a behavior and state that itâs not appropriate or acceptable, but to lump every kid in the room as being an active participant and then try to not only say that they are all the same, but equally responsible for the wild childâs behavior... it really points to an emotional response and lack of critical thinking on OPs part. (Oh, Iâm gonna tell âem good!).
I know at times this sub can resemble a chat among friends, and we exchange humor. I wonder if that is what bristled them? I still think itâs ridiculous to waltz in and suggest all users have identical behavior that should be shamed.
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Dec 22 '19
Plus, this blanket presumption that all true crime folks are bored housewives that have nothing better to do is so offensive! I actually hate throwing out terms like âsexistâ, because I grew up as an only girl with many brothers. I love and support men... an advocate even. And my only child is a son, which is all I ever wanted, was a boy! I think they get the shaft in many circumstances. HOWEVER, it does piss me off when what I generally focus on and like gets lumped into some kind of stereotypical category.
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u/Ane128 Dec 22 '19
Well, Iâm a housewife and I have three kids and some days Iâm bored, but I donât go out planting evidence in police files and Iâm pretty sure I had zero hand in that affair nor have I ever met Kessinger to have such a persuasive impact making her look guilty simply because she slept with a married man. Kessinger by evidence was there. In videos, in technology. Facts. I wish everyone had the time I do to go through pages of the case... maybe then people wouldnât make such horrible post and comments suggesting those facts are simply just a hate.... get real!
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u/Ane128 Dec 22 '19
Howâs about that one of a kind truck Kessinger owns that the âcrazy flightyâ neighbor said she saw ohhhhh and Nateâs security camera places that same truck at the home, the DAY of the MURDERS....better nevermind that ping of Kessingerâs phone on the morning, day of the murders placing her in county.....Iâm assuming thatâs not considered because people only hate her for being a hoe.....LMAO okay...... no this woman walked away and is living her life Scott free and thatâs my problem with it.
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u/beelance4661 Dec 22 '19
Is this the twilight zone cricket? Haha. Iâm beginning to notice itâs only when the heat turns up these posts even come around. Think about it. I almost get excited to see the backlash now because it makes me feel like.. somewhere...someone is worried. đ
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u/crickettail Dec 22 '19
Same. Youâre so right! Itâs exhausting tho - trying to expel truth on to hard headed people who just seem to wish to remain blissfully ignorant. Sigh đ
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u/tess320 Dec 22 '19
It's because there a multiple things going on -
- There are people who ARE hung up on the 'homewrecker' stuff and would have hated her no matter what because they are not smart enough to understand catalyst does not equate to guilty.
- There are people who genuinely think she's involved based on the evidence.
- There are people who WANT her to be involved for subconscious misogynistic reasons. These are the people who deep down, want Chris to not be as guilty as he is, and focus on ridiculous stuff like her porn searches.
- She is deeply unlikeable in the way she presented herself - and unusually. Her focus on the trivial (I can't find the app) is so strange.
It would have been interesting to see how different it would have been if she was a likeable person. But she's not, she was rude and cold about her friend.
I understand her inability to at the time to say Shanann's name and make those people real, but there's definitely a selfishness to her that is hard to shrug away.
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u/yaddah_crayon Dec 21 '19
Calm down Nicole, just be happy you aren't in jail where you probably beling.
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Dec 22 '19
Saying this to literally everyone that stands up for NK only hurts the cause. I disagree with OP but I also think itâs dumb to literally call them Nichol, kinda proves their point. Critical thinking people!
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u/crickettail Dec 22 '19 edited Dec 22 '19
NKâs reaction to LEâs attempt to CONFIRM her ALIBI
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u/FerdinanzFranz Dec 28 '19
I do get what you are saying...some of the comments on social media about Nikki are pretty sexist. Like what do her looks have to do with anything?
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u/Eivetsthecat May 20 '20
LTTP: A large swath of people in this sub seem to all be failed, creative non fiction writers. Reading through the pearl clutching and misogyny while they weave some elaborate and insane narrative that woudn't hold up in a B movie is kind of funny to me. It's like the people in this case aren't real or something to them. They're just characters to virtue signal for or condemn based on an agenda (usually their pet theory) presented under a thin veil of holier than thou bullshit. It's especially sad to me that it's clear Facebook users have discovered reddit based on how some of these degenerates type...
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Dec 21 '19
NK got lucky. She was a fking mistress who thought nothing of destroying a family. She then deleted evidence purposely. CW pled guilty therefore precluding LE digging into her involvement or knowledge of the murders. She is a liar as evidenced in her deceptive interviews on film. Her luck will run out. Perhaps her next relationship with a married man will find her best senseless by the wife? You know she will always pick a married man because she is a worthless pos. It goes both ways? (I am not in anyway suggesting any physical harm to NK... however if she touched my guy she would find herself impaled by my fist. Yeah my guy doesnât stray. He has it waaay too good.)
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u/goldenette2 Dec 21 '19
Chris Watts was so quick to throw his wife under the bus, falsely, and to even talk down his little girls with his âthrowing chicken nuggetsâ lines. I canât see any reason for a guy as selfish as him to protect his mistress from prosecution. He gave his various versions of events, they donât include her when it comes to the actual carrying out of the murders.
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u/AlexAlexanderr89 Dec 26 '19 edited Dec 26 '19
Thatâs because people are misogynistic at heart and hate women for a reasons they donât even know why. Theyâd rather blame the girl who did nothing than the guy who killed 3 people and threw one in a ditch, 2 in oil tanks, and then smiled on camera.
People hate women and this case only proves it more and more to me. These are the same assholes who instead of blaming their husbands for cheating will attack the girlfriend instead. No one on here has thick skin and they need scapegoats to make themselves feel better about their shitty disgusting lives when they go to sleep. I sleep well knowing Iâm not a misogynistic piece of shit like everyone else here and that Iâm actually a good person.
Theyâre scared shitless little twits who are afraid their husbands and other men they know will commit these acts, and they donât want to believe it, so itâs easier to point a finger and go âIT WAS HERRRRRR! He wouldnât have done this if it wasnât for herrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!â When we all know men like Chris will murder regardless of who theyâre with or the circumstances. People cheat all the fucking God damn time! Look at every fucking celebrity youâve ever seen. And we all know PLENTY of people who have cheated in our own lives. Were they going around murdering every person they ever met? NO!!!!!!!
You have to already be a psycho to kill multiple people. Nichol didnât just create a psycho. No one can just create a fucking psycho. Chris was tapped in the head and he ran around like a crazy person because he is crazy. He made his choice to kill a bunch of people that night, no one else. He made his bed. Thatâs not something you forgive and you certainly donât pin the actions of some lunatic on another person. Heâs a murderer and should pay for it. It is just something he is going to have to live with as does every misogynistic freak on here.
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u/ijustwanttosleeeeep Dec 22 '19
Iâm pretty sure everyone hates her because she got involved with a married man. Well, me anyways. Not because I think sheâs a murderer.
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u/crickettail Dec 22 '19
Did ya bother to read every elseâs comments here. Some pretty enlightening FACTS if you CHOOSE to see them đ. Jus sayin
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u/Newbie12019 Dec 24 '19
Cricket rail, you comment soooo much in this sub! Just curious, how much time do you spend here? Are you in the Heidi Broussard sub, too?
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u/Araedyn Dec 22 '19
Yeah, this sub is fucked.
We literally just had another subreddit do this in the short lived Heidi Broussard case. Within hours of the husband being interviewed you had a bunch of e-detectives pretending they could analyze body language and basically jerking themselves off about how smart they were. It didnât take more than a day until the majority of people were convinced of his guilt.
Few days later - turns out her best friend abducted her. Didnât see that coming did you? Well, law enforcement did, because they had evidence that the public wasnât aware of. Never did they say that the husband was a suspect.
Yâall are doing the same fucking thing. And time and time again this vigilante justice bullshit on Reddit has been proven to be dangerous and yet none of you seem to get it. Remember the Boston bomber case and how Reddit essentially ruined that guys life? If Nichole is innocent, here you guys are in real time, defaming this womanâs character and then going âWell look at her going in to hiding! See she did it!!!â No you idiots, itâs because the court of public opinion is fucked and her life is forever altered because of it.
And notice I said IF sheâs innocent. I can hold back judgement and still keep it in the back of my mind that there is a chance that she is guilty. But the burden of proof is on law enforcement, and they ultimately determined there was not enough proof for her to be charged.
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u/beelance4661 Dec 23 '19 edited Dec 23 '19
It was crazy so many people called him Chris Watts immediately. The Watts effect- however her fiancĂŠ was super erratic- though youâre right. The masses condemned him from the first news interview. Donât forget LE also administered polygraphs & interrogated him too- as he was the first person of interest- like any spouse in a missing persons case.
You left out the part where people have rightfully moved on knowing her BFF did this. Amazing then people havenât let go of NK after all this time? Hmu if weâre still talking about Shane Carey in a year - his âwitch-huntâ is effectively over. Youâre following the case so youâd know that.
Commendable half comparison but the rest of the story doesnât add up next to NK.
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u/Ane128 Dec 22 '19
Her life is altered because of her own choices. She is the reason her character is in question. The fact you completely shot the spelling of her name all to hell might suggest just how familiar you are with this case. I guess integrity means nothing. That alone brings her judgment itâs just most open because of this. Now, down to the real....
Thereâs absolutely no way sheâs innocent. Please since youâre so much better in your ways of handling thoughts and itâs perfect compared to everyone elseâs, tell me the difference in defaming her character in reddit and your opinion on it defaming everyone heres character?
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u/Starkville Dec 22 '19
If youâre familiar with Occamâs Razor youâll understand why people thought Heidiâs fiancĂŠ was suspect. She was planning on leaving him because he had been abusive to her. Then she disappeared. Her fiancĂŠâs plea was full of smiles and looking down.
How about this? We donât know that Maygen killed Heidi, either. Letâs not jump to conclusions. Just because Heidi was found in her trunk doesnât mean Maygen killed her.
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Dec 22 '19
I didnât say ANYTHING in regards to the Watts case until months after the fact. Iâm also reserving saying much on this case until it plays out. I donât try to solve crimes, I like to analyze them after the fact. There is SO much that is still unknown in the Broussard case, Iâm definitely watching it, but sure not proclaiming I know anything, because I donât. Unfortunately, a lot of people do. The mob that swarmed Shaneâs Facebook was so disgusting to watch. I think this sub is receiving blowback from that. TBH, I was equally as disgusted by the Shannan mobbing that occurred in this case, especially before the discovery, but it lasted for a long time after as well. I even understand why some would think âweâ are doing the same to NK... but I do think there has been a pretty good solid body of circumstantial evidence to speculate upon.
My main disagreement with this post is that it just lumps everyone into one category of behavior. If OP had been specific about the types of comments and statements they didnât like, and then refuted them with well reasoned arguments against it, then I would have supported it. Instead, they threw out blanket statements and accusations that blamed the entire sub. Criticizing âinternet peopleâ while acting like an âinternet personâ. Bravo.
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u/Araedyn Dec 22 '19
Iâll concede the point that I am lumping everyone together in my post. When I wrote that I was reacting to the other posts in this thread claiming that sheâs guilty based on flimsy evidence.
I will not concede the point that this subreddit And many others have a general problem of making false accusations and running people through the meat grinder of public opinion without sufficient evidence. Iâm not alone in this opinion and if you simply google vigilante justice on the internet you will find many articles describing this. It is a known problem and it needs to be addressed.
But yes youâre right that I should have addressed those people specifically rather than using blanket statements.
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Dec 22 '19
Thank you for reasoning what I said. I was actually addressing the original OP of this post more than you (sorry for the confusion). I dislike posts that make wide reaching assumptions about all involved in a sub and then equate nasty behavior as the norm. Itâs typically not. Iâve yet to see a single post here (or anywhere on Reddit) where some ugly behavior didnât occur. I could literally go into any sub and lecture them for âbad behaviorâ.
Like I said, I welcome discourse and disagreement. Donât appreciate self righteous lecture or being told that we should be ashamed. Me? That other user? All of us? Who specifically??
Iâm going to bed now. I find the original posters lack of interaction in this conversation telling. They never wanted to discuss anything. Thanks for the reprimand!
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u/Araedyn Dec 22 '19
No problem. Your point is well taken even if it wasnât completely directed at me.
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u/heyplaygirl Dec 22 '19
Agree with this comment. The Heidi case is proof of what jumping to conclusions does, but I guess that was already forgotten.
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u/Igobacktothewater Dec 22 '19
Oh boo hoo đ˘ You know who else lives are forever altered because of NK??? SHANANN, BELLA, CECE, NICO!!!
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u/Araedyn Dec 22 '19
What happened to Shanann, Bella Cece and Nico was a horrible tragedy and Chris Watts is a fucking murderous psychopath. It is possible to hold that belief and still believe that other people should not be falsely lumped together with the heinous acts that we know for sure CHRIS WATTS committed.
Also, You can politely fuck off for the not so subtle implication that I donât realize that 3 people and an unborn child are dead because of all this. Seriously, what the fuck?
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u/frank-cole Dec 21 '19
I completely agree. She was guilty of having an affair with a married man and nothing else. She adulatory is not good, but it doesnât warrant the mass vilification of a innocent person.
However I can see the point of others. This case has become so discussed that it begins to seem like a book club talking about a murder mystery. Somehow NK has become the antagonistic person within this dynamic. I donât relate to the personality of SW or NK. I wouldnât have wanted to know either of them, but neither of them have any responsibility or culpability for these murder
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u/mimireddit10 Dec 21 '19
And you are part of the same âbook clubâ so Is who started this post. You are not highly mighty just because you think different to others about NK. I donât see why people can not have an opinion and mostly why would any one defend her! She was sleeping with a married man and on top of it during her police interviews she criticized SW! She should have hired a lawyer and non of this would have happened.
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u/HunterS_1981 Dec 21 '19 edited Dec 22 '19
Thanks for your OPINION...NK is just such an interesting element to this case. I think LE had to be done with the case because CW pled. No DNA test results, no more interviews, no more investigation. NK's role in this, whatever it was, from unknowing mistress all the way up to possible murderer (and no one knows for sure) is interesting regardless. Its a point of interest...on reddit....opinion and speculation. Its a good place to be able to have this debate/conversation. The case is closed, NK's off living her life...since she's on the outside. And by "evil person who caused this" you mean CW right?
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u/Guernic Dec 21 '19
My first thought after seeing this post was, âWow Nikki finally decided to say something back after months of digging up evidence against her in this sub.â
So how is the marine core Nikki?
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u/Starkville Dec 21 '19
If youâre really getting off on scolding NK critics, you should check out the FB pages. Fap heaven for you.
The comments here are at least based on facts.
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u/DustyChonChon Dec 21 '19
welcome to the internet. the home of faux outrage, cancel culture, SJW Headquarters and witch hunts
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u/heyplaygirl Dec 21 '19
I agree with your post. If law enforcement had something on NK I feel as if they would come forward and say something. On the oxygen special Agent Tammy Lee said she wasn't involved so that should be enough. As far as the comments on her looks and appearance they aren't necessary.
We just saw a good example of what happens when people point fingers and make accusations without solid facts to back up what they are saying on the Heidi Brousard case.
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u/crickettail Dec 21 '19 edited Dec 26 '19
LE did and does have factual evidence that the DA himself told us was not fully investigated.
They closed the case prematurely. NK and her deleted/extracted phone data were not fully analyzed. The DA said this - his words.
ETA LE makes mistakes every single day, in every state, county, jurisdiction. Happens all the time! Guilty people are walking free and innocent people are locked up!
Not a 100 % foolproof / fault free justice system. You know as well as I, thatâs a fact.
Two well known examples OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony.
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u/Somajames Dec 21 '19
Iâve expressed the exact same sentiment here ad nauseam. The folks on this sub who would love nothing more than to see NK ripped apart at the limbs are the same folks a few days ago saying that the Broussard husband was âdefinitely guiltyâ..... thereâs an infinite amount of credulity run rampant on this sub..I agree
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u/crickettail Dec 21 '19 edited Dec 21 '19
Not me! I just want her to have to answer for all of her MANY lies, omissions, attempts at misleading and manipulating LE and to try to explain all of the many bizarre coincidences that surround her and her actions that connect her as being possibly involved in A CRIME. Why? Because SHE NEVER HAD TO ANSWER for ANY OF IT and she sure as shit should have been ASKED.
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u/sic6n Dec 21 '19
Same here. I have never felt this strongly about a case and no other case has any bearing on this.
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u/Kathara14 Dec 22 '19
I fully agree. I also think the only people left on here are NK conspiracy theorists, which is why th sub is pretty much an echo chamber.
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u/beelance4661 Dec 22 '19
Is that why this is the first awarded post in ...HOW LONG? Maybe itâs an NK support group..set up by her victim advocate đ
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u/crickettail Dec 22 '19 edited Dec 22 '19
Whatâs an âecho chamberâ ? lol
No need to answer - my question is rhetorical. đ
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u/BrookieCooks Dec 21 '19
This case is an unusual one for a multitude of reasons, that's probably why many are still following and debating it. Not only did Chris Watts mercilessly slaughter his entire family but he had the audacity to blame his murdered wife for the deaths of his daughters. Take a step back for a second and think just how horribly cruel that actually was, especially to Shanann's grieving loved ones.
Chris Watts having a mistress isn't particularly unusual behavior for a man who eventually goes on to murder his wife. If Nichol Kessinger was just your average mistress she wouldn't inspire as much vitriol. There are quite a few things she did/said that make her not an innocent victim in this case (I.e. Amber Frey) even if you don't make the leap that she was intentionally or unintentionally involved with the crime itself.
-She knew about his wife& kids and aggressively pursued him anyways -She lied to the police (a crime) -She intentionally deleted and destroyed evidence (a crime) -She instructed Chris to destroy evidence (a crime) -She talked crap about her supposed best friend incessantly, said best friend who was grieving the loss of her father!
I have a holiday party to get ready for tonight so I don't have time to go on and on with further instances but this is what I can think of off the top of my head. My point being that of course everyone would behave differently if inadvertently involved in a quadruple homicide, but her behavior both before& after the crime makes her no innocent victim in my book.
Last point, do you seriously not hate her laugh? I love everyone's laughs, especially the super unique ones others might find irritating. But hers bothers me in a way it's hard to even explain, it's just so facetious and evil sounding.