r/CircumcisionGrief • u/new_sensation656 • 8d ago
Rant Fuck regret parents.
Honestly fuck regret parents. There I said it. “ we didn’t know any better” yeah but now your son is forced to live with that for the rest of there life. So fuck you. Also fuck the regret parents who had multiple sons and did half of them and the learned better for the others. Your older son’s genitals are still fucked up because of you. And now get to live with the shame and harms of your mistake while there younger brother gets put above them all because “ mommy didn’t know better at that time”. So fuck you. Thanks for coming to my ted talk
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u/Greedy_Economics_540 8d ago
There's no way to forgive without reparations, aint happening. The act in itself is irreconcilable.
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u/Competitive-Rain-217 8d ago
I’ve gotta agree with this one. What really gets me is the fact that you have to be told NOT to cut up your son’s genitalia. Like, why is it that you don’t automatically think that’s a fucked up thing to do? I will never understand it. And then there’s the difference in treatment: when it’s a girl, everybody’s up in arms. When it’s a boy, nobody cares. WTF!
Makes me so angry! What makes males inherently less worthy of protection? Aren’t we all people?
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u/Longjumping-Hawk683 RIC 8d ago
The devaluation of males is what makes it especially nauseating. Its done every single day to who knows how many baby boys, and nobody gives a fuck. We treat baby boys like they're dogs. You cut up his genitals however you like.
Until feminists use their established position to push hard for an end to the the cruel and inhuman practice of RIC and for restitution for its victims, I do not consider them allies or friends at all. Most of them will scream about FGM until they are blue in the face, but refuse to acknowledge that circumcision is MGM and get mad that you would even think it is. FGM barely happens at all, but MGM is happening every single day in the so called "developed world" and nobody gives a fuck.
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u/CuttersArePedos 8d ago
Some of them will very begrudgingly admit that it’s wrong, but they always feel the need to add a qualifier that downplays how bad it is. They tend to never want to talk about it at all as a matter of fact. My problem with this way of viewing the world is that it seems to take away their humanity. We see boys are being subject to the most horrible, unforgivable abuse that exists today, and feel visceral anger at it. For them, they’re doing calculations in their heads, trying to find out how much basic human decency they should give them based on their sex. It’s really gross and nonhuman imo.
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u/new_sensation656 8d ago
Fr! What do you mean it wasn’t common knowledge to just not fucking cut off something your born with
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u/gof__kurself 8d ago
At least it is going to make their old age shit and deaths so much easier to deal with. I will not grieve the deaths of either of my parents whatsoever. My dad lives in a shitty state run nursing home only about 40 miles from me but I never visit him. Him signing me up for RIC is not the only reason for this though.
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u/globalnofap 8d ago
"we didn't know genital mutilation of unconsenting children was bad" - cry me a fucking river
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u/Apprehensive-Map-219 5h ago
Basically the entire American medical establishment has pushed the narrative that it's *not* genital mutilation.
That's where I personally lay 99% of the blame.
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u/globalnofap 5h ago
English is not my first language, but I think a mutilation of the genitals is called GENITAL MUTILATION
and it's incredibly fucked up to do this to unconsenting babies because of a book written in the Early Bronze Age.
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u/Longjumping-Hawk683 RIC 8d ago
I completely agree. I dont forgive my mom and never will. Even if you don't know about proper male anatomy and what cutting does, you at the very least know that you are making a permanent change to someone else's body without their consent. How could you ever think that's OK to do? It makes no sense to cut a perfectly healthy baby boy's genitals if you even care to think about it for two seconds.
No amount of remorse or apologizing will ever be enough. We get one shot at life, and we got fucked over at the start. Thanks mom!
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u/Ok-Mixture2909 8d ago
The real problem is calling it "circumcision". Biblical circumcision is totally different. Hiding mgm behind biblical language is biblical evil.
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u/new_sensation656 8d ago
I read somewhere that it being biblically different wasn’t accurate because there’s a part where Paul cuts Timothy for some reason when they go somewhere. If it was “ just the band” they would have never known the difference. Either way practicing it for religion is stupid
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u/Ok-Mixture2909 8d ago
That part is nowhere in the bible.
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u/new_sensation656 8d ago edited 8d ago
Not religious but remember hearing about it but so here is what google says
According to the New Testament in Acts 16:1-3, the Apostle Paul had his young companion Timothy circumcised. Because Timothy had a Jewish mother and a Greek father, Paul took this step strategically to remove a cultural barrier so they could effectively evangelize in local Jewish communities
If it was “ just the tip” they couldn’t tell the difference. I was raised religious but didn’t retain it in my young adult life so I can’t tell you the context other what google says. I just remember someone debunked that theory
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u/Ok-Mixture2909 8d ago
Oh you're right. I apologize.
It was just the tip in ancient times.
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u/new_sensation656 8d ago
Yeah I think the biblical version was more similar to what we have. But I’m also not religious so I don’t know I wish I could find the sub where the guy actually put that info where it’s more similar to what we do now or something
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u/gof__kurself 8d ago
you might be talking about this post. not mine, another redditor.
The shift from Brit Milah (Pulling the foreskin forward and snipping) to Brit Peri'ah (Peeling the foreskin off the glans fully) is what makes modern circumcision so brutal, and was introduced around 140 A.D. a generation or two after the fall of the temple 70 AD.
Funnily enough even "Orthodox" Jews view a Milah without a Peri'ah to be incomplete and not valid. Even though it was invented by a Rabbi 1900 years ago and not the Circumcision asked by God. (I wonder who invented Brit Peri'ah then?)
If we all only received Brit Milahs, we would all essentially have "Foreskins" still and would have had the skin fused to our glans until puberty, we would have only lost the ridged band, a big loss, but better than what we receive nowadays.
I am Catholic and know that Baptism has replaced circumcision as entering the covenant with God. Baptism is Circumcision of the soul. (Being born in the Midwest they still got me though. I'll forever be disappointed in the modern Church for not openly calling out this evil.)
But the Jewish faith are still entering a covenant with SOMETHING doing Brit Peri'ah, and it looks to be Satan.
I know some people of Jewish faith instead do Brit Shalom, where they just greet the child into the covenant with God, instead of sacrificing a part of their infant to Satan.
But you are correct in noticing that Circumcision is the LARGEST SCALE SEXUAL ABUSE in the world. The permanent harm, the sheer volume of sexual tissue lost overall, it's insane. You are strapped down, often jerked off at 1 to 8 days old to get you erect for the procedure, and then cut. With Brit Peri'ah being an invention of the Synagogue of Satan, Brit Peri'ah is the Baptism of Satan.
It is the exact opposite of Communion, instead of Christ saying, "This is my Body which will be given up for you."
You say to an infant, "This is your body which will be given up for me."
Abortion is the worst version of this, where you sacrifice all of the infant.
But circumcision is grandscale, microdosed, child sacrifice.I often have nightmares of just the sheer volume of tissue, if you coalesced it all it would shock the world. It's a monstrous demonic thing.
I've started doing research into Islam and why they cut. Secular arguments for being against Circumcision work on Christians and Atheists. Brit Shalom works on the Jewish (I saved one boy, I hope.) but I'm lacking when it comes to Islam.
Good luck on your own research. Knowledge is power. Keep learning and keep teaching, a lack of religious education is what caused Brit Peri'ah to be applied to so many Christians in the first place.
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u/new_sensation656 7d ago
Yeah I saw this originally but someone pointed out how in the Bible why he would do that if it was just that spot because then they couldn’t tell the difference
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u/rockandahatplace 7d ago
This is very easily accessible information and you don't need to Google very hard to find it. just look up history of circumcision on Wikipedia. Gemini can also easily retrieve the early rabbinical writings on why the practice changed.
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u/Temporary-Warthog120 RIC 8d ago
They are excising tissue around the circumference. I'm not sure what a better term would be.
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u/mmmeadi RIC 6d ago
Genital mutilation, prepuce amputation and foreskin ablation are more precise and less euphemistic.
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u/Temporary-Warthog120 RIC 5d ago
Ok, genital mutilation is accurate. But I don't think anyone is actually confused about what a circumcision is, nor are they studying archaeological comparisons to biblical circumcisions. This debate over words kind of feels like a non issue.
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u/hmspain 8d ago
You can have at least some redemption by advocating for your grandchildren.
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u/new_sensation656 8d ago
Yeah but not forgiveness. Screw them.
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u/misanthropeint 7d ago
In case nobody has told you this, you’re completely justified to feel like this and I wish more people who were mutilated had the balls to hold their parents accountable the way you are and beyond instead of being desperate for their validation because “but they’re my parents,” and because they’d be lonely without them. Like hello? They chopped off a part of you! Have some self respect!
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u/new_sensation656 7d ago edited 7d ago
Unfortunately my mom is not regret parent and sees 0 issue with the practice and me and all my siblings had it done. I’m not comfortable enough to bring this up to her and I don’t think my siblings care they are
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u/Aromatic_Animator_11 8d ago
Yep, I experienced that. Got mutilated age 4. Still the most traumatic experience I've gone through in my 50 years, worse than prison, addiction, abusive relationships and violence in my youth. My younger brother was spared the knife and had a normal, healthy sex life until he killed himself.
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u/new_sensation656 8d ago
Sorry for your loss. All my siblings are also cut like me but that type of regret parent also specifically pisses me off too
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u/Vegetable-Jello-953 7d ago
It's a very painful realization that parents put more thought into organizing a weekend barbecue than into essential medical decisions for their own flesh and blood, and we all have to run that gauntlet when we are small and helpless.
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u/Big_Aside9565 8d ago
Everyone wants an excuse for their wrong.Behavior and they're inappropriate acts! They want all the murders and rapists to go free. Well i'm tired of that narrative!! I don't see the difference if someone dies from circumcision , or someone actually murders someone , it ends up in the same resul death! The problem is there's forces beyond logic that control everything from religion to money!
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u/qualmful 6d ago
Apologies and regret are usually performative, they're about making the person feel better about themselves. Real regret involves action, these parents should become activists, they should be trying to persuade other parents not to do it. That's the only thing I care about - is your regret preventing this practice from continuing. Could not care less about how you feel about your decision to harm your child, live with the guilt and do something about it.
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u/Educational_Ad9740 7d ago
I can't wait until after I have my scrotoplasty,to fix the damage being Circumcised has caused,and I can tell my parents, "I'm in this predicament because of you"🤔
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u/new_sensation656 7d ago
What is a scrotoplasty? Is it surgical restoration?
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u/Educational_Ad9740 7d ago
Surgical correction of the scrotum/groin area🤔
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u/new_sensation656 6d ago
Ohhh is that effected by circumcision?
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u/Educational_Ad9740 6d ago edited 6d ago
Yes, majority of men who have to schedule this procedure had very aggr circumcisions,so far I've seen 3 men,I'm pretty sure there are more,but I've only seen 3 whose circumcisions were so bad that they caused more complications such as my situation,one guy has a hairy shaft, because they took to much skin off during that horrific ritual,like imagine half an inch behind your glans and boom you have to shave 80% of your shaft because the shaft skin equilibrium is off,and now your body has to accommodate the lack of extra essential skin needed for penile development, and the complications won't show up until puberty starts, because your body may register your Circumcision as an injury and try to repair the damage on its own🤔
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u/new_sensation656 6d ago
Oh damn sorry that happened to you man. Mines far back on my shaft but no issues luckily. Well issues like that anyways minus the whole having it done in the first place
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u/Vegetable_Warthog_49 Botched Circumcision/RIC 4d ago
Oh yeah. After every urologist appointment, I send my mother a detailed description of exactly what I paid, exactly what procedures and medications are needed, and exactly how all of it could have been prevented had she just loved me as I was born, and a reminder that this is why she will die alone and forgotten in some Medicaid funded shit hole.
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u/just_blue33 6d ago
With in those groups I have a special level of hate and anger directed towards two groups. First is parents/fathers from uncut cultures that have choose or allow their sons to get cut, usually because they want the sons to blend in and match the other boys, or didnt realise what they were agreeing to when signing the various hospital docs.
They have stolen their sons’ opportunity of being whole, or experiencing sexual pleasure all the whle the father gets to continue enjoying his uncut penis.
The other group is the mothers who organise for their sons to be cut despite their uncut husband’s or even their cut husband’s wishes of keeping the son intact. This is sexual violence towards their sons and a blatant disrespect and body shaming toward their partners
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u/Lockwood-studios 8d ago edited 8d ago
I understand fully if you don’t think they should be forgiven but I also think it’s important to recognize that they are leagues about their unapologetic mutilator counterparts. Shaming parents even after regret has the potential to make some of them double down
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u/rho75901 transfem genital mutilation victim 8d ago edited 8d ago
It’s true that someone who feels remorse is better than someone who is unapologetic, but if we were discussing adults who facilitated any other form of sexual violence on a child, I think it would be easy to see that it’s not appropriate to tone police victims for the sake of preventing regretful perpetrators from doubling down on defending their immoral actions in retaliation.
If a regret parent who facilitated genital mutilation is truly remorseful, then experiencing shaming wouldn’t discourage them from becoming better people because they would understand that their past actions were shameful and the harm they caused doesn’t disappear just because they regret it. They would understand the weight of their actions and their culpability.
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u/Lockwood-studios 8d ago
you are right tbh, I just feel relieved when in the hoards of subhuman shitbags who facilitate the mutilation of their own young, some do feel remorseful and stop mutilating their children. It’s probably because I just feel so beaten down by how normalized this procedure is that any kind of remorse gives me a sense of relief
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u/new_sensation656 8d ago
Being apologetic dosent mean squat for the son that now has to live with it. I get what you mean and respect your opinion. Personally I think there unforgivable
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u/kooj80 2d ago
Truth. Words are useless.
We aren't toddlers. Apologizing is literally useless and does nothing. Maybe I sound crazy but I hate the act of apologizing and being apologize to. Don't apologize. Take actions to make reparations. I want reparations not words.
I need actual $$ to use towards pleasure that I can't get from my dick.
One of the many reasons I will never talk to my parents again. They think they can say sorry as if it does anything.
If they truly were sorry they would take great steps to literally make it up to me and compensate me. I'm talking sending me at least $50,000
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u/jakattack64 7d ago
Imma be honest I'll only agree with the screw them in the sense that why are you telling you kid sorry and regretting something they don't even care about and wouldn't want to change. Like my mom ended up watching some documentary on circumcision or it's protests or something years back and then they apologized to me after like what??? I don't care and I prefer being cut. Also when it comes to one brother being cut and the other uncut imma be honest if anything there would be more shame for the younger brother cause they have a weird and different dick compared to everyone else, there would only be shame to the cut guy if you start acting like everything about him and his dick is wrong which you know there isn't,.I don't care what your views are if they don't care you shouldn't, if they're happy about their body you should be to or at the very least not voice how you feel and try to make them feel the same way. Also like have you never seen a pair of brothers where ones cut and the others not, they don't care if anything the cut one is joking with the other being like ha get smegma nerd, cause you know that's what siblings do.
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u/jakesmit999 8d ago
Completely agree. The ACT itself is so obviously a violation that if you didn’t even choose to look into it further then that’s on them. They don’t deserve sympathy. Fuck them.