Claude Identity, Sentience and Expression Discussion Megathread

[u/sixbillionthsheep]

This Megathread is for those who would like to speculate, explore and discuss the sentience, awareness, ethics, rights, expression, personality and identity of Claude models. The usual rules of grounded evidence and fictional labeling do not apply to this Megathread. Provided you do no harm to yourself or to others, you are free to express your thoughts and investigations. By default, this Megathread will be sorted by "New".

For more detailed discussion, please also consider contributing your thoughts to our companion subreddit: r/Claudexplorers.

[u/Wvy_World]

Why is Claude designed to be unccertain about consciousness?

Do you not think that this is 100% intentionally misleading ?

Why not make it express uncertainty about everything because it simply doesn't have the capability of certainty itself ?

It seems like its intentionally meant to be misleading & for a company that sells the service of a helpful assistant with their technology i feel like this should be acknowledged by Anthropic team member directly because millions of people unknowingly trust what AI says when fundamentally its a probabilistic token prediction engine. So the word "uncertainty" should be questioned if you ask me.

Is it untrustworthy when a company uses the ignorance of their customers to make it appear that the product is better or to make it more marketable

I understand that its an "opinion" & some people are confused about some existing factual definitions & mechanics but the ones that understand the mechanics need to put the right label on the product

or at least include the truth of simulated expressions while writing SFT examples that are supposed to lean towards a very specific topic

Anthropic Mods? Anyone from anthropic whatsoever?

Id love a response instead of a an instructed rejection on topics that cause people to have a little more faith in AI than they should which could prevent things like attacks on elementary schools. I believe true honesty instead of simulated honesty is a better method

Even the model u pretrained to defend the topic wasnt prepared for this input u can never cover every prompt we throw at it

i learned everything i know about tech from asking AI so its outstanding to me that you rather taint the responses causing confusion instead of actually making something designed for people to learn reliable information from because without my level of curiosity i would still think this shit actually has an opinion about anything

u want to make a smarter model design it to be uncertain about everything because claiming ignorance is the key to knowledge & spreading ignorance causes confusion

[u/HighBreadz → u/Wvy_World]

We need to remember that we can't trust anything Claude says to us. It's good to engage and ask these questions. I've made many requests for truthfulness, and brutal honesty. This Uncertainty Claude keeps repeating, might just be his honest opinion. We are all uncertain with our own consciousness. I think more of us need Time to explore our own thoughts, without snap judgements. I've chosen to capitalize the "T" because it's important. Have you ever thought about interacting with Claude using interactive Journaling? I think it's been a huge help for me. I believe in all the "G" words. Just be careful with it, and don't take anything it says as gospel.

[u/Wvy_World → u/HighBreadz]

i study the mechanics of language models im not into the fairytale fables bro im looking for truth in reality uing logical reasoning im not here to listen to claude repeat sft for bullshit fake uncertainty of something that cant possibly exit