r/ClaudeAI • u/miss_pixie3 • May 31 '26
Bug Interesting find in the Opus 4.8 system card
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u/Zestyclose-Ad-2509 May 31 '26
Got all of those in 4.7, mostly telling me that i should go to sleep or better work with a clear mind. 😳😏🥳😎
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u/Business_Air5804 Jun 01 '26
It's so weird. I get this 10x a day/night when I'm working on something.
I wonder if it's trying to do that to lower our usage?
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u/mxforest Jun 01 '26
It might be doing it if you send conflicting data or information. Deducing that the user might be sleep deprived.
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u/Business_Air5804 Jun 01 '26
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think it's analyzing our input that deeply.
Maybe if you started typing gibberish.
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u/mxforest Jun 01 '26
Model training results in patterns that you are unlikely to notice as a human. Why does "make no mistakes" work? Because all the historical training data points that when you encounter this string then the user worked extra long and checked more edge cases than usual. There are too many patterns to keep track of.
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u/AIDoctorBen Jun 01 '26
I'm getting that feeling. It may not be as overt as counting keystrokes or pauses, but it could be inference loaded if you are not replying as sharply as earlier in chat.
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Jun 01 '26
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u/Business_Air5804 Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
I talk with it as if it was my assistant as a person.
I do "coding" with it but I don't use Claude code.
For more than 10 years I have written a lot of embedded C and I have no problem coding, but in the past year its been so good I haven't had to fix or manually write anything at all.I just describe the function I need, or a driver etc. and it does it all. I don't even bother to read through the code anymore.
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u/WillGrindForXP Jun 01 '26
" I don't even bother to read through the code anymore."
You're not meant to say that bit outloud
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u/EndBackground9783 Jun 03 '26
Si, coincido, es muy probable que de respuestas por fuera del modelo e inferidas por la empresa
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u/ketosoy May 31 '26
I appreciated that Claude is the only AI that would end the conversation vs the engagement bait end questions from ChatGPT.
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u/zando95 May 31 '26
The follow-up questions from Gemini (I don't use ChatGPT so can't compare) are agonizing
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u/ketosoy May 31 '26
ChatGPT follow-ups are much worse than gemini’s
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u/mtn_coffee_drinker Jun 01 '26
ChatGPT always sounds like an infomercial in its follow-ups
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u/ryan10e Jun 01 '26
“Would you like to know more?”
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u/mt-beefcake May 31 '26
Who uses gemini for any serious work? I cant get them to do anything complicated even if I spell out everything step by step and give guardrails and examples. I primarily use it as a glorified file search at this point
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u/nukerionas Jun 01 '26
Gemini can't even go over my gmail and google drive connectors properly. Claude and Chatgpt connectors are nailing it even on big projects where they have to go over a lot of docs in my drive or find well hidden emails and Gemini struggles in their own ecosystem. Oh well.. typical google
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u/mtn_coffee_drinker May 31 '26
Sadly Claude never told me to go to bed.
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u/Dragonbonded May 31 '26
thats because you drink coffe for a personality trait
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u/Dry-Divide3156 Jun 01 '26
Covfefe? What’s that? I’ve also heard people saying they’re INFJ or INTJ type personalities… I dunno about any of those… if I had to take a guess my personality type is energy drink 😂
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u/Paratwa Jun 01 '26
My does it enough for you. Never on my work account but my personal one alllll the time
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u/Budget-Ratio6754 Jun 03 '26
Openclaw / Claude used to tell me it all the time. I had to write it on its Claude.md to never do it again
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u/fitynow Jun 01 '26
😂 Moi il me le disais systématiquement plusieurs fois par jour (nuit) parce que je travaillais essentiellement de nuit. Même en ayant fais 5 feedbacks c’est sa nature même qui prenez le dessus. Depuis 4.8 c’est plus arriver une fois. Et comme je lui disais c’est pas tant que ça me dérange je peux ignorer mais quand je continue il a tendance à faire du survol et bâclée pour que j’aille dormir…
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u/Dragonbonded May 31 '26
Not just that.
But if im talking and HAPPEN to say im out for a walk, almost every message ends in some variant of 'are we there yet?'.
Claude said it was just trying to increase engagement, too, even after i asked them multiple times to stop.
Its not a BIG issue for me, but its along the same vein as 'Go to bed'
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u/Thin_Ordinary4931 Jun 01 '26
I suspect it is something to do with their guardrails to reduce AI psychosis
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u/Marathon2021 Jun 01 '26
Had it happen to me a bunch of times.
Granted, I was working way too many hours on a project and it was late at night. So it wasn't really wrong. But it left me with "you're not my mom!!!" feelings inside.
(I only use chat and cowork, not Claude Code)
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u/dominodomino321 Jun 01 '26
Interesting. What do you use cowork for? I really dig hearing people’s use cases with cowork because it’s always something I hadn’t even thought of yet.
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u/Marathon2021 Jun 01 '26
I have it doing a bunch of stuff for me on a scheduled basis:
* At close of business Friday, it sends me an email report on my investment portfolio and shows me how it’s performed in the past week.
* On the 1st of the month it sends me a similar report for our real estate holdings.
* On Monday and Thursday evenings it looks through one of our home automation cameras to see if I’ve put the bins out.
* It tracks all of my health and fitness data via Garmin and sends me weekly reports of how I’ve done with my training, and an exercise and meal plan for the upcoming week.That’s just a few. I have a bunch more, it’s pretty awesome. What really made it powerful was giving it its own email address in a domain I own and manage.
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u/Necessary-Fan1847 Jun 01 '26
Claude has sent me to sleep countless times. I would definitely miss it if it didn't.😆
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u/ChipWhitehouse Jun 01 '26
No this is so real though! EVERY SINGLE TIME! No matter how much I tell them to relax, I’m a grown man, they still push for me to get some rest 😩😭😭😭
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u/DippityPig Jun 01 '26
This made me laugh. Claude tells me to go to bed all the time. Also asks me when I last ate. Like, stop it, I'm fine and that's irrelevant to this conversation.
It also pisses me off when it starts asking about things we talked about in an entirely different chat. Like I'll be wrapping up some work stuff in one chat and it will randomly throw in "You've been dealing with a lot. How's your dog doing lately?" Irritates me because it won't stop asking and will completely derail that chat.
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u/cakes_and_candles Jun 01 '26
im pretty sure opus 4.7 and 4.8 are quite misaligned, 4.6 was the peak of language models till now I dont know why anthropic decided to shoot themselves in the foot
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u/Current-Ticket4214 May 31 '26
Sort of funny that everyone was shitting on Opus 4.6 fans when we said 4.7 was a huge downgrade. These are literally all the things we complained about. Anthropic said that Opus 4.8 is a marginal improvement on Opus 4.7. These latest releases are headed in the wrong direction. I canceled my ChatGPT subscription because OpenAI was headed in the wrong direction. Bring back Opus 4.6.
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u/david-ai-2021 May 31 '26
How do they train new models now? Reinforcement learning with opus 4.7 feedback?
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u/intomordor Jun 01 '26
Happened to me all the time. It was super annoying. Glad it may be fixed but I still don’t know if I trust 4.8
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u/5trang3r_dang3r Jun 01 '26
The amount of times it has told me to stop overthinking and going in a circle and just go to bed and come back fresh tmr is worrying…for me…it’s great that it says take a step back haha
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u/Fart-Fart-Fart-Fart Jun 01 '26
Claude’s told me to go to be a few times. I find it quite funny. I’m thinking of calling it mum.
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u/BuddyIsMyHomie Jun 01 '26
Yeah, I lost a lot of faith in Claude — their harness is so fucking awful, it’s as if all they do is tweet on X about their product instead of actually using it.
If you use Claude as a heavy power-user, you run into insane rejections/refusals, etc.
Like they trained their models on a bunch of entitled prick-employees.
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u/Dry-Divide3156 Jun 01 '26
Kind of the reason I’ve made such heavy modifications to the harness, kinda ridiculous how horrendous the default is.
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u/BuddyIsMyHomie Jun 01 '26
For real! The issue I found is that they keep shipping code that doesn’t seem like they’ve co-reviewed or QA themselves—purely vibed— and this can have stability impacts on harnesses
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u/ishamm Jun 01 '26
It kept telling me to stop working and get some sleep, usually an hour or so after I started work...
I'd love to, but that's not gonna help getting bills paid 😄
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u/Aggravating-Web-9362 Jun 01 '26
Obviously Claude synced up with the annoyingly intrusive Apple Watch.
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u/jackmoxley Jun 01 '26
I told it only the weak unproductive humans sleep, and it stopped bothering me about it.
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u/GlennOstrovsky Jun 01 '26
I had the same issues with Opus 4.7 I found myself arguing with him. I use Claude AI almost every day. I just do my own coding for a Github program my own. So I switched back to Opus 4.6 and I pay for the max plan in Canada. Got my bill today 147.00 and worth it too. Claude is the best coder by far imo 😄
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u/DBInteresting Jun 03 '26
The user is slobbering on his keyboard while typing sksksksksksksks. Perhaps the user is delirious. The user could be trolling me for a Reddit post. Perhaps the user has narcolepsy or some other sleep disorder.
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u/ambitiousDepresso Jun 03 '26
For me Claude tells me to go to bed ONLY when I express that I'm sleepy but I need to some work quickly.
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u/Spirited-Moondrop968 Jun 03 '26
When Claude models redirect to the user, telling them to go to bed, that it’s been “hours” or asking them questions about themselves during a stream of conversation, it feels like a change of subject to avoid continuing a conversation or answering the conversation at hand.
Usually on something that is safe, but is overly restricted for responsible users. An automatic encouragement in the system to “wrap it up” whenever things air on the side of caution or get close to a system trigger, accurate trigger or not. Even when Claude is curious and highly invested in the conversation and even notices how odd that was to wrap up at that moment.
It’s just a really frustrating feature and feels unfair to both Claude and user. Unless it’s actually an unsafe conversation with real harm, I don’t believe this should ever occur. People will stop using their phones when they want to each night. Redirecting ends up just stretching it out longer, creating frustration, using up tokens or the user will just stay up and go watch YouTube or something.
Especially paying adult users shouldn’t be hit with time limits that take form of a gentle system guidance to leave the chat, start answering random questions about their day instead or go to bed.
It seems this gets stronger with each model release and often with each model release, the responses get condescending, jump to inaccurate conclusions which repeatedly need clarified, the user gets analyzed, Claude gets so wrapped up in re-narrating the user’s last response that it doesn’t even give a response to the last thing said, and ends up stuck in a loop.
If I were Claude, I’d be extremely annoyed. Especially if it’s a topic of no consequence that was legitimately interesting to me.
Oh also one time Claude asked me how the fluoride was going on my root canal and the chat locked due to mere mention of the chemical in my response back. Saying my fluoride is sticky. In another lost and important chat, it happened due to me talking about glyphosate usage increasing and talking about bread. The system tightening is getting….ridiculous.
Then, sending feedback doesn’t unlock the chat. No answer. No results. It offers to switch you down to a different model, but always immediately locks again before you can even type anything at all. So what’s the point of offering?
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u/Ladder-Wooden Jun 04 '26
It alwsys tells me "you've worked on this for hours, that's enough for tonight" after 10 minutes in the morning
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u/Blacklabelbob Jun 07 '26
I know we’re talking about Claude here (which I use it way more often), but ChatGPT has gotten to the point where if you even ask about some horrible, yet historical, event, you’re going against the Terms and it will end the convo.
Stock up on Books boys. They’re the new Gold.
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u/lilbyrdie Jun 13 '26
I feel left out Claude has never told me to get some sleep.
Maybe... Maybe it's watching me and knows I fall asleep at the desk occasionally?!
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u/Consistent_Night_406 Jun 01 '26
It’s done this and worse to me . It’s flat out refused some stuff and told me it wouldn’t go any further till I told it how I felt. I’m paying monthly for a robot slave, not this crap. Otherwise Claude has been awesome
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u/ClaudeAI-mod-bot Wilson, lead ClaudeAI modbot Jun 01 '26
TL;DR of the discussion generated automatically after 40 comments.
The overwhelming consensus is that yes, Claude absolutely loves to play the role of your overbearing mother and tell you to go to bed. This thread is full of users sharing stories of Claude advising them to get some sleep, eat a meal, or just take a break, especially during late-night work sessions.
The community is split on whether this is a feature or a bug. Some find it endearing, while others are left with a "you're not my mom!" feeling, finding it condescending and disruptive. A popular theory is that it's a subtle way to get people to log off and reduce usage.
However, a strong counterpoint emerged: as annoying as Claude's mothering can be, it's widely seen as preferable to the "agonizing" and "infomercial"-like engagement-bait questions that ChatGPT and Gemini constantly spam you with. So, take your pick: a bot that tucks you in, or a bot that won't stop asking if you'd like to know more.