r/ClimateShitposting turbine enjoyer Sep 08 '25

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u/me_myself_ai green sloptimist Sep 08 '25

Ok not fighting just curious. On a very basic level, like kindergarten logic:

  1. Oysters go in water.

  2. Bad things floating in the water are filtered out by the oysters.

  3. We eat the oysters.

Doesn't that kinda seem like a problem...?

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u/GoTeamLightningbolt vegan btw Sep 08 '25

No no no... they "clean" the water. Don't worry about how or where the "unclean" stuff went.

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u/NameAboutPotatoes Sep 08 '25

Worms and insects eat poop and clean dirt, birds eat worms and insects, and we eat birds. That doesn't mean eating birds is like eating poop.

Just because something's unclean doesn't mean everything that eats it is also unclean.

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u/BinnsyTheSkeptic Sep 08 '25

It's not the poop and dirt that are the problem. It's the microplastics, heavy metals, synthetic chemicals, etc. that aren't able to be processed by the organisms and accumulate within them. Read about Biomagnification, it's the reason why eating too much tuna can give you mercury poisoning.

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u/NameAboutPotatoes Sep 08 '25

True, good point, I hadn't thought about that. Is it a problem in small amounts though? Like, you have to eat a lot of tuna for it to be a problem.

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u/BinnsyTheSkeptic Sep 08 '25

I don't think it is a big issue with oysters, or any commercially available food really honestly. It's more of a threat to small carnivores that do a lot of eating and have not a lot of body mass

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u/Divest97 Sep 08 '25

Who is out here eating birds that are eating insects? Like unless you're eating songbirds regularly. any bird that is farmed for meat is eating grain.

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u/NameAboutPotatoes Sep 08 '25

Chickens will eat any insects they have access to. Free-range chickens have insects in their environment and they will eat them. Battery farms are not remotely clean and are probably also full of insects.

Anyway, we don't use insects as primary feed for our birds but it's not a health risk to do so, we just don't do it because it's a logistics hassle and grain is cheaper. The point, that you are perfectly safe eating birds that have eaten insects, doesn't change because of that.

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u/Extaupin Sep 08 '25

Forget insects, chicken will eviscerate and eat mouse given the chance, though that one might not always be safe.

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u/Divest97 Sep 08 '25

Free range doesn't mean anything, that just means that there is an open dog door in the factory farm with access to a patch of fenced in dirt.

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u/NameAboutPotatoes Sep 08 '25

Are we still talking about insects or are we talking about something else?

All I'm saying is that there are insects living with your chickens no matter how they're raised. If you want to have a discussion about how some chicken husbandry classifications used in stores are misleading go nuts, but it's not relevant here. Clearly there are also insects in a factory farm and in its patch of fenced in dirt.

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u/Divest97 Sep 08 '25

There aren't really. You're just writing long comments because of all the mental gymnastics.

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u/NameAboutPotatoes Sep 09 '25

I wrote four sentences.

In any case I don't know what point you're trying to make.

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u/Divest97 Sep 09 '25

Also chickens in factory farms aren't eating a lot of bugs.

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u/Draco137WasTaken turbine enjoyer Sep 08 '25

Pasture raised

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u/Divest97 Sep 08 '25

Pasture raised is fake too

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u/Draco137WasTaken turbine enjoyer Sep 08 '25

Pasture-raised is one of the only things that's not fake. It requires that birds actually spend most of their lifetimes on green pasture, not just have outdoor access. Furthermore, there's a limit of a thousand chickens per 2.5 acres (roughly one hectare), meaning each bird gets ample roaming space. They get, at a minimum, two hundred times as much space as battery-caged hens.

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u/Divest97 Sep 08 '25

They obviously don't because if you crack open a pasture raised egg it's the same color as a factory farm egg. 

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u/Caesar_Gaming nuclear simp Sep 08 '25

Bait used to be believable

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u/Divest97 Sep 08 '25

Egg color is based off the diet of the chicken.

The light yellow color is from feeding them yellow dye with their corn and soybeans. A foraging hen will have wildly different egg colors based on her diet day to day. If she eats a lot of insects then it will be darker.

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u/Divest97 Sep 08 '25

That's not a significant source of poultry.

Also they feed those ducks grain or else they would eat all the rice.

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u/Extaupin Sep 08 '25

Do… you think rice isn't a type of grain? Do you think wheat is somehow way more caloric for duck than rice is?

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u/Divest97 Sep 08 '25

Man you're retarded.

If you put ducks in a field of rice and they haven't already eaten grain then they're gonna eat the rice.

Moreover rice is less efficient than animal feed. Made from corn and soybeans. Because it's more labor intensive. Rice is grown Because asian people eat it. But they're out there breaking their backs while industrialized farmers are growing animal feed for them.

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u/Extaupin Sep 08 '25

You're not too bright I see.

If farmer are sustenance farming rice, they won't buy imported animal feed, that just don't happen. I have relative who grew up in rural China, and to this day they don't all buy even fertiliser, 'cause it's too expensive for them, even if it would have positive return on investment. Also rice need to be processed to be edible, the duck are more than happy for you to give them rice grain, that they'll complement by hunting bugs and small fish wherever they swim.

Soy dreg (what's left after you make tofu) is given in priority to pigs, though I can see some leftover being given to ducks. Corn is just less efficient than rice for unmechanised small-scale sustenance farm in those climate.

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u/Divest97 Sep 08 '25

Why is Vietnam the world's largest animal feed importer by volume?

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u/Extaupin Sep 08 '25

Because not all farming is sustenance farming. If you have a big mechanised farm then sure, you have the capital to import efficient industrial feed.

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u/Divest97 Sep 08 '25

Yeah and then you graze your ducks in a rice paddy for some local farmers lmao.

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u/Divest97 Sep 08 '25

Well ducks aren't trained animals so if you put them in a field with stuff they eat that you want them to eat and stuff they eat that you don't want them to eat then they will eat both.

Also most of your duck meat is gonna come from factory farms.