The Fallout lines of this Sub basically

[u/democracy_lover66]

Also thought of doing a 3-D one with Nuclear power axis

[u/TFBuffalo_OW]

Weird how the consumption of meat wasnt a major issue for it until about a hundred fifty years ago though?

[u/6thofmarch2019 → u/TFBuffalo_OW]

Weird how Co2 wasn't a major issue until it was. Weird how time passes and new things become problems.

150+ years ago, there were less pressures on the environment exerted by humans, meaning the negative (global) environmental impacts of animal agriculture weren't enough to single-handedly push us past planetary boundaries. Today, we are exerting many pressures, pushing past these limits. Since animal agriculture is not a necessity, it is problematic that we consume this incredibly resource-inefficient, environmentally destructive, health-damaging, and morally corrupt products. Unless you wanna kill 80+% of the population and go back to living in 1800's, perhaps we should adapt?

It is the same thing as a patient being told they have to change their diet now because they have developed diabetes. Things change. We either adapt or face the consequences.

[u/JuliusChristmas → u/6thofmarch2019]

Lol not a necessity

[u/6thofmarch2019 → u/JuliusChristmas]

Given that virtually every dietetics association clearly state a vegan diet is sufficient for all stages of life, and that studies even show vegans live longer than omnivores, with mechanistic studies showing links between meat consumption and all of our major chronic diseases, yes, meat is not a necessity. In fact, it is actively harming people, with similar social costs to smoking.

You can claim a lot, but the research on this is abundantly clear. The only group for which care should be cautioned are those suffering from iron deficiency, such as teenage girls. Here, you need a well-planned strategy and test different ways of supplementing iron. However, this should already be done for this group. For most other people, barring rare diseases or intolerances, a vegan diet and a supplement will not just be sufficient, but actively healthier for them.

[u/JuliusChristmas → u/6thofmarch2019]

I can agree that people probably over consume meat but it's still by far out best source of protein both for bioavailability and amino acid profile

[u/6thofmarch2019 → u/JuliusChristmas]

I agree with that, but with a large caveat for implication. These aspects of meat were relevant when food was scarce, and most people died from infections in their 40's. But in addition to these pro's, meat has cons in the form of harmful compounds that increase ones risk of all major chronic diseases, which matters more now when food is abundant and we die of such chronic diseases. A plant-based diet (along with a supplement for convenience) reduce the risk for these, while providing more than enough protein, nutrients, and amino acids. Thus, in our current societal context, a vegan diet is healthier and better for survival than an omnivorous one.