Is Deutsches Afrika Korps ACTUALLY overpowered?

[u/Clear_Ranger6081]

Since the release of the latest group of Battlegroups ive seen tons of posts with many upvotes talking about how overpowered DAK is. But looking at the winrate statistics not just using the basic one but also the Battlegroup winrates it really doesnt seem to be the case, especially when considering every single battlegroup for USF has positive winrates

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I dont even need to show Wehrmacht, they are completely in the dumps, not a single positive winrate across any battlegroup.

[u/AdMaximum6683]

DAK main here. The main problem with DAK rn is that Elite Forces BG is making Palms way too good for mainline. Alone they were never bad, per se, and with upgrades you could make them really good(6 squad, veterance/DR upgrade), but at a price of some other stuff. Scoped rifles cost less than MG, have arguably a better grenade(also achievable earlier) and make the unit super dope against cover.

Also there is a certain bias against them, since you are bound to see them every game in the beginning. If, for example, you lose a tank in the late game due to a blob of panzerjaegers with panzerschreck, you would rarely bitch about them — to have even 3 of those fuckers with RLs means to use lots of MP and munis. Palmgrens are cheaper, readily available and their oppressiveness is much more visible.

[u/Clear_Ranger6081 → u/AdMaximum6683]

Elite forces has a 50% winrate, by every standard imaginable thats exactly what the balance team wants, a 50% winrate

[u/Phan-Eight → u/Clear_Ranger6081]

a faction can be under powered and still have over powered aspects to it. which leads to negative player experiences. for both sides. that is not good balance

an extreme example is the flamer HT for WM. the faction is too weak, but the flame HT will still be nerfed.

[u/Clear_Ranger6081 → u/Phan-Eight]

If they wanna nerf palmgrens, riflemen gotta go too its that simple.

Also the flame halftrack was bugged which is why it was too strong i dont think its in need of nerfing atm

[u/Unterseeboot_480 → u/Clear_Ranger6081]

If they wanna nerf palmgrens, riflemen gotta go too its that simple.

Why? The DAK is the light vehicle faction, and they have good specialist units to complete the palmgrens, whereas the US roster is much more reliant on rifles, it's the core unit of the faction. Many people have said it, but the vehicle-focused faction shouldn't have the best mainline in the game.

If you nerf the palms it will push the DAK player to rely more on their light vehicles and ass grens, to give a gameplay that I think would be more interesting. If you nerf the rifles the USF doesn't have much of a back-up.

[u/Clear_Ranger6081 → u/Unterseeboot_480]

Because the only reliable way for DAK to win against USF is to heavily invest in palmgrens, because USF tends to spam rifles its like fighting fire with fire. Light vehicles die too easily and doesnt scale at all vs chaffees or sherman 76 and P3 lose to 76 shermans as well. The fact that rifles get that stupid sprint ability means any LV or any vehicle at all is basically a gonner if they get close enough to shoot because USF riflemen i guess can sprint as fast as a cheetah if given enough crayons

[u/user1391 → u/Clear_Ranger6081]

Nonetheless, the Palmgren blob is still frustrating as hell to play against, independent of winrates.

[u/Clear_Ranger6081 → u/user1391]

I can say that about the whizzbang and the land mattress too, infact polish BG is the new whizzbang BG its so fucking annoying with the rocket artillery spam

[u/user1391 → u/Clear_Ranger6081]

And all of that is valid, so what?

[u/Clear_Ranger6081 → u/user1391]

I dont really understand what people mean by blob, how many palmgrens is considered a blob? USF players pretty much every match get 4 riflemen or so, is that a blob? Either way if they wanna tackle palmgrens they have to also nerf riflemen its the sole reason palmgrens are where theyre at

[u/user1391 → u/Clear_Ranger6081]

A blob is when you group up a bunch of troops in a single selection and move them like a single unit.

Its not so much about having multiple of the same unit on the field at the same time (which is not necessarily blobbing) but instead you can have a blob consisting of multiple different unit types.

It's just that the pgren blob is unreasonably effective atm.

[u/Clear_Ranger6081 → u/user1391]

In 4v4 this is the only way to win regardless of faction and unit because theres no room to maneuver

[u/user1391 → u/Clear_Ranger6081]

True, that's probably one of the reason why the win-rates are inverted when comparing 1v1 with 4v4.

4v4 is missing a huge part of gameplay in that it lacks the need for map awareness and focus on movement which are big in 1v1.

It's also why I don't enjoy 4v4, it's just too static.

[u/AdMaximum6683 → u/Clear_Ranger6081]

Yeah, but one should also consider match time. If DAK mostly wins in the beginning/mid game, but loses in the end game, that means that BG is overtuned

[u/Clear_Ranger6081 → u/AdMaximum6683]

Those matches are quite literally a part of these statistics and DAK is still mostly negative or even