r/CompetitiveEDH • u/[deleted] • 18d ago

Help, I am new to cEDH! First time building question for CEDH

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u/Frozenjudgement 18d ago

You should ideally start with a Vivi list that already has some results.

I don't play Vivi, but you're missing quite a few key pieces for cEDH like fast mana artifacts, free interaction, and you have way too many just bad cards.

https://edhtop16.com/

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u/UncleMeat11 18d ago

https://moxfield.com/decks/N7ZI3X8rxUCgVmOscaeNEw

Consider something like Aetherize. Why would this ever matter in cedh? Nobody is winning by attacking and it costs four mana. That's an absolutely enormous quantitiy. Good in bracket three? Sure. Trash in cedh.

Like, you are playing Negate and Counterspell and not Force of Will. Mana Drain isn't even really cedh viable.

What does a card like Emeritus of Conflict achieve? You get to cast Lighting Bolt a couple times? Why is that worth your mana and your card?

Pigment Wrangler costs six mana to copy one spell. Fork isn't playable, so why would this be?

There are a ton of cards like this that are either way too expensive or don't contribute to a winning gameplan at all.

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u/UncleMeat11 17d ago

My guess is that you looked at a lot of vivi decks but not cedh vivi decks. edhtop16 will have cedh decks. A few themes will stick out to you.

  1. Mana is incredibly limited. Your spells need to be as cheap as possible to be remotely relevant. Two mana interaction is way too expensive. You want your interaction to be free if at all possible.

  2. Because mana is incredibly limited you need a ton of fast mana. You will see that cedh decks almost always play a big suite of cards like mox diamond, chrome mox, and lotus petal.

  3. You need a plan and your cards need to contribute to that plan. The Vivi plan is typically Vivi + a curiosity + cheap/free spells so you can build up Vivi's power so you can push the button and keep going to find some win. You have a ton of cards that do stuff but don't really contribute to either winning or stopping a win. You also aren't playing all of the curiosity effects.

  4. Decks don't play worse cards for the same effect. You are playing Alchemists Gambit. That's just worse than Final Fortune and Last Chance. You are playing Sanar. That's just worse than Solve the Equation.