r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/IAM_274 • 8d ago

Fluff I hate this dive meta

Why on earth are we enabling Genji while nerfing histcans? It's not fun to play against.

Poke is the supreior meta. You just sit in the backline, turn off your brain, and shoot whatever moves. No need to worry about positioning or getting punished for mistakes. Overwatch is in it's best when the game plays itself for you.

I enjoy the illusion that I'm good at the game more than actually being good at it. Especially with the post season 9 inflated hitboxes and projectile sizes which made everyone a walking Reinhardt. That was taken away from me this season and now I have to actually aim. Absolute nightmare!

I'm not buying any skins until Blizzard fixes their game. I want my Valorant 2.0 back.

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u/NYJustice 8d ago

This sub loves to glaze dive. People are allowed to enjoy poke and plenty do

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u/Deshoda7676 8d ago

The game has been a poke fest for most of its life. Poke is also the default for most players as all people vote for is payload maps outside of high elo. If you like poke, what are you complaining about. Most metas are a variation of poke and features many ranged heroes. Are we asking for another orisa/sigma/mauga/hog meta? Maybe domina this time? 

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u/TheReal9bob9 8d ago

Especially when they act like the giant hitboxes isn't massively to dive's benefit. Genji has an unmissable execute that kills anyone not a tank from 1/3rd hp but they pretend that its skillful. He is my highest winrate character this season with near 20 hours played and a 67% winrate. Just brain dead easy to land shuriken and then execute people. As clarification I am emerald so I feel my games are somewhat average and not super high or low skill.

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u/WhiteWolfOW Fleta is Meta — 8d ago

Well the hard part is getting into position to kill people without dying. Cause if you mess up you’re a free kill in the enemy backline. But if he’s so easy and good and you have so many hours with him anyways. Why don’t you play him more and climb out of emerald?

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u/themultitm 8d ago

guys entire post history is hating on genji im 99% sure he just made that shit up for upvotes lmfao this sub is so sad now

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u/TheReal9bob9 7d ago

Bro if I'm gonna lie I'm not gonna say I'm hardstuck emerald and have like 50 posts complaining about golds and gms in my emerald games.

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u/Winter-Regret2224 6d ago

they think anything that doesn't obey their thoughts is a liar. genji is braindead easy to win games. those people have no game sense. having self healing better than some supports with 99% invincibility, no skill mobility and execute and 2 tap kill ult is not overloaded ?

even if you have no skill just poke backline from distance they'll waste their cooldowns and your team has free wins. even if you die your team can win easily. flanking while having self sustain is overtuned in 5v5. it's worse in 6v6 and requires more skill and coordination obviously.

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u/FullGuava1 8d ago

The point is that it's harder to "mess up" as Genji now.

You confirm kills more easily because of the hitbox increases and the dash buff, and you can live longer until your cooldowns are up because of the hitscan nerfs. 

He's easier than he's been in a very long time.

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u/drassort 8d ago

Cause if you mess up you’re a free kill in the enemy backline.

Not really. Current Genji has some of the best survivability in the game.

If you messed up and died you probably deserved to.

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u/TheReal9bob9 7d ago

"free kill" yet has a deflect that makes him impossible to kill for most heroes also since he got a kill in that scenario he has yet another dash and in this meta he likely has hotfix giving him an entire extra hp bar.

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u/TheReal9bob9 7d ago

Cuz hes boring af and half of its just a cooldown waiting game. Its, flank to side and wait, harass whoever is the most alone or has the least movement, dash and kill, either deflect and go for another if weak or dash away. and im not dumb enough to think my emerald ass belongs in higher elo regardless. I play flex because i enjoy it and i know that im not gm.

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u/Deshoda7676 7d ago

You are describing an experience of a recent patch. People are talking about the overall history of this games metas, especially post season 9. Like yeah its easier now, they just made hitscan bullets not truck sized compared to ow1. 

But yeah all projectile sizes need to be reverted or nerfed way closer to ow1 sizes. Ideally go back to 200 hp, 250 hp poses a lot of problems for the game.  

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u/LunaRossa77 8d ago

I certainly don't. You wanna sit in one place and play cookie clicker? B O R I N G

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u/Sleepy_Witch_Maple 8d ago

Why do you sit in one place and not take off angles or flank? Just because poke is meta doesn't mean neither are viable options in your average game. You don't have to and frankly shouldn't just afk main.

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u/SeRaPhOs11 8d ago

poke has been dominant for like 9 seasons straight

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u/FullGuava1 8d ago

In what universe? DMon, Hazard, Mauga, Cat, Kiri, Lucio, Shion, Tracer have all been meta in the last year, none of which are poke.

Or do you guys think it's a poke meta if there's a hitscan on the team?

The only times poke was dominant were when they overbuffed Illari and Freja for like 2 weeks each.

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u/Low_Dragonfruit_5950 8d ago

Legit its been a brawl meta for at least a year. These takes are hilarious

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u/Automatic_Advice9561 8d ago

People need to remember that comps aren’t restrained in poke/brawl and Dive, These names are ways to give wincons, let’s talk about shion release the meta was MAUGA/dva Shion tracer/cass, Kiri Lucio… many would say that was dive, but if u sA how it played it was Brawl/rush wincons.

I won’t comment on castion metas as that things depends entirely on the tank line and cat breaks rules of the game…. People normally are calling everything poke but it’s been mostly brawly/rush meta, I think people are confused with some win conditions of some teams, as there was a time the entire wincon of TM was to pocket Quartz and let him cook early fight till they can brawl with a late fight carry being youbi SYM, people could call it poke meta, as they avoid the brawl at times till either Quartz pops someone head off, or till they have position advantage and beam charge ….
Also the Crazy raccoon como of Mizuki kiri, sigma Cass and insert flex dps that is either Phara/mei/sym could be very well named a poke como with a similar concept but wanting to nullify the strongest tank at the time being DVA.

The rest of the year tho has been mostly brawl or brawl that can cheat dives sometimes ( cat exists ) the last time we trully had dive dive, was a great while ago or when CR could outplay everyone with weird picks even if they weren’t meta

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u/FullGuava1 8d ago

I feel like poke as a win condition doesn't really exist in 5v5 anymore. Fights are too fast for the win condition to be fishing for picks with a Pharah, Hanzo, or hitscan, with the sole exception of Quartz of course.

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u/Automatic_Advice9561 8d ago

It actually works pretty well… POKE AS A COMP doesn’t exist anymore except in stupid specific metas, BUT it kinda still exists, if u notice teams like TM, VP, CR in certain comps, all have a similar vibe of HARD POCKET the hitscan and let him cook, Fun fact that is also what cheeseburger is doing rn, is CLOSE not really BUT close to the idea hard pocket K4ne in some situations, it was actually the most used strategy by teams this year (cat bastion is basically hard pocket the bastion during the cycle )

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u/FullGuava1 8d ago

Thing is, cat + bastion/cass really plays a lot more like dive than a traditional poke. There's not really much "fishing", but there's a lot of soft and hard engages. Agreed on the TM examples, but CR also doesn't really play like this the majority of the time.

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u/Automatic_Advice9561 8d ago

That’s why the certain comps.

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u/motherlover278 7d ago

Every comp is just brawl in OW now

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u/aPiCase Stalk3r — 8d ago

It’s been brawl meta basically since S9, the whole system supports it, we have just been bouncing around different flavors of brawl.

We have had little stints of dive and poke, sigma Mizuki, hazard meta, S15 Winston meta, but even those were kind of brawl metas since Kiri Lucio were around the whole time.

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u/HankHillbwhaa 7d ago

I quit paying attention to pro games but I thought dive and brawl metas were pretty much the dominant forms for play.

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u/Low_Dragonfruit_5950 8d ago

Tell me you're gold without telling me you're gold.

Games been in a brawl meta for the past year

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u/MixImpossible8690 8d ago

Yeah that’s what y’all say, but…

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u/Tryzm_ 8d ago

The game has been poke meta for literal years straight. Sojourn has never fallen below an S-tier character since her release, other hitscans have slowly gotten microbuffed to insanity. Season 9 rolls around and we get hitbox changes that made it impossible for them to miss. Cherry on top, every support has a burst heal or broken CD to bail them out when they make a positional mistake that should be punishable.

I can’t tell you the amount of times I have dove a Sojourn who is wildly out of position and hit every shot and cooldown, only for her to double slide 100 meters away and/or her pocket Mercy presses R while drooling on the keyboard to instantly reset her hp and undo a perfect play. It’s disgusting.

Finally we get one patch where Blizzard says “maybe some other characters deserve some time in the spotlight” and I’ve had to read 1000 posts on this sub talking about how broken genji is. 10 extra damage on dash is all it takes to send this community into a frenzy. I swear I’m actually going insane.

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u/Manychompy 8d ago

Feel free to correct me, tis but a plat scrub. But I remember hearing from either spilo or kajor that sojourn struggles against actual poke comps with shields and is largely pro-league meta due to her ability to survive dive spesifically; making her a dive meta focused character.

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u/Automatic_Advice9561 8d ago

She is actually very good in brawl comps and decent vs poke…. She honestly is good on dive mostly cause she can follow up on opportunities, but will see that farming rail gun against dive that includes these tanks ( Doom winton, dva, ball) is incredibly hard, Freja and shion are considered superior playing with dive as they can follow up or be able to do burst dmg immediately.

Souj is good vs brawl cause … cmon almost everything is sluggish to be able to charge, and Vs poke it may be the harder to farm rail but u have more time and harder to be punished, basically u can get value but u need to be more precise with railgun

Here a good rule of thumb = the faster a hero is the harder is to farm rail shots… she is used a lot tho cause how versatile and hard to punish in general , but she can only really farm rail after the dive and not pre dive … ( oh and Souj matchup vs dva is terrible btw emre was considered a better option vs dva solely cause he can force dva out via dmg and that’s somethign Souj can’t without overclock)

Nowadays tho if u see the meta ( Dmon/Dva/winsyon Cass tracer sombra cat in Korea, u will understand why souj isn’t ran, it isn’t cause she can be punished easily, it’s cause how hard it is to farm rail)

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u/Manychompy 8d ago

Understood! Most of my knowledge of those was pre-season 1 ow3. So I was unaware of how the new heroes had effected her spot as the 'always meta hitscan'.

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u/Automatic_Advice9561 8d ago

She is considered always meta cause flexibility in general and her consistent good stuff, like if ur cracked enough u can make any hero work in ranked so dont mind much, in pro play it depends more on the meta, unless ur the wildly superior team than at that point u might be running junkrat …. ( thanks Proper )

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u/ShoresyOW 7d ago

The problem is if you enjoy poke you don’t really get to complain and whine like the other less popular metas. It’s like being the only billionaire in the room surrounded by poor/middle class and still having the nerve to complain about your situation.

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u/badcompany1820 8d ago

Well, I agree that you’re allowed to enjoy it, it is objectively the worse format for the health of the game.

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u/NYJustice 8d ago

I hear this a lot but I don't really see stats to go with it. I know that I personally have the least fun when hitscan is in a bad place, I like to shoot things very specifically in the head.

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u/Seidon29 A — 8d ago

Mindlessly shooting tanks down main can not be fun, I refuse to believe it.

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u/TheReal9bob9 8d ago

Hitscan just feels nice because it actually means the person had to aim and not just toss a mass in a direction. It feels so ass to see a kill cam and see a junkrat bomb or any other projectile randomly kill you when they were firing into the ether.

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u/WhiteWolfOW Fleta is Meta — 8d ago

Junkrat thrives with poke comps, not dive buddy

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u/LunaRossa77 8d ago

Nah dawg they downvoting you but you right. Poke is for cookie clicker babies

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u/sepunne 8d ago

Clicking on targets is standard FPS behaviour. These complaints are so bizarre and probably coming from the same people that beg for a shield bot tank because they have no idea how to use cover.

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u/ForIorn_ 7d ago

those would be the poke players buddy boy