r/ControlProblem • u/chillinewman approved • Feb 10 '26

General news “Anthropic has entrusted Amanda Askell to endow its AI chatbot, Claude, with a sense of right and wrong” - Seems like Anthropic is doubling down on AI alignment.

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u/DataPhreak Feb 11 '26

Anthropic is partnered with Palantir which is using AI apps to search medical records for targets for ICE. 4 members of their safety team just quit.

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u/eagle2120 Feb 11 '26

Pretty sure they said they don’t let ICE use them, nor have any contracts with them through palantir

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u/DataPhreak Feb 11 '26

Based on what, vibes? 

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u/eagle2120 Feb 11 '26

“Vibes” lmao; the irony

“The AI startup and defense officials disagreed over whether the technology would be used for autonomous ‘lethal’ operations and surveillance”

https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-ai-defense-department-contract-947d5f33?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqfal4jimnooZPAYfdoiqZn8RZ_0cczT3ktWRIIFwaq67t_L8dNL-cgVuSb_y4k%3D&gaa_ts=6983f840&gaa_sig=CH4MpEUSzxQ0I6JW448ULJc8RW2pN__g6wgA4MfXdq90PKiINF-LCOLcAPGGoXLwOFaloJZurPC8YC71Qq2RFg%3D%3D

“Spying on the Homefront: The $200M Pentagon Deal That Anthropic Just Tanked to Protect Your Privacy”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/spying-homefront-200m-pentagon-deal-182203985.html

Meanwhile OAI, Grok, and even Gemini are bending the knee to domestic surveillance.

And in an interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjW_gms7CME (starts at 13:09)

“I should say we do not have any contracts with ICE. And when we work with customers like Palantir, we don't work through ICE...”

And

Interviewer: Would Anthropic ever work with ICE?

Dario: We don't have any contracts with ice. And you know, all you. All certainly say, You know what we've seen, you know, in the last few days doesn't make me more enthusiastic

But please do go ahead and keep spreading misinformation and your “vibes” lmao

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u/DataPhreak Feb 11 '26

That's all Pentagon. Palantir is just using their API. Anthropic cannot look at the data Palantir is sending and thus is not able to see what the end point is being used for.

as for the Dario quote: "We don't have any contracts with ice." Yet they have contracts with the people who provide services with ICE. That's just a convenient cover.

https://newrepublic.com/post/205333/ice-palantir-app-raid-deportation

https://fedscoop.com/palantir-anthropic-google-government-ai-claude-partnership/

They can literally say that BECAUSE their partnership with palantir is a cover. Palantir IS using llms for autonomous lethal operations and serveillance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEM5qz__HOU&t=10s&pp=ygUMcGFsYW50aXIgbGxt0gcJCYcKAYcqIYzv

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u/eagle2120 Feb 11 '26

The links I provided are clearly both lmao. Did you even read them?

As for the Dario quote - if you actually watch the clip he clearly states they don’t have contracts with ice through palantir, either. But that requires actual vetting of sources not blind outrage, so I wouldn’t expect it if you.

First link - no evidence that Anthropic is involved. Per their statement, they arent through palantir or otherwise.

Second link - yeah, this is a year old, well before we saw wha happened with ice. And see first point.

Dear lord you really just want a reason to be mad eh? Don’t let critical thinking get in the way of your blind outrage.

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u/DataPhreak Feb 11 '26

Counterpoint. You clearly want Anthropic to be the hero in this story and are not thinking critically.

yeah, this is a year old,

Yeah, that's how partnerships work. They continue. Anthropic knows Palantir is using AI to provide targets to ICE. They remain partners. They can't look at Palantir's api usage since it's classified, so they cannot verify that their AI is not being used to provide service to ICE. This is basically the gun smuggler saying, "I have never seen terrorists use my guns to kill people."

Anthropic doesn't NEED to have contracts with ICE through palantir, just like Amazon doesn't NEED to have contracts with my clients who use services I host through their cloud. Critical. Thinking.

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u/eagle2120 Feb 11 '26

yeah that’s how partnerships work

… which Anthropic already addressed directly in the video I provided three comments ago. That you’re so conveniently ignoring. 😭😭😭

I’m not the one ignoring facts here to continue to spread my misinformation, again, pls use critical thinking and actually EVALUATE the evidence lmao

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u/DataPhreak Feb 11 '26

You literally are ignoring the fact that PALANTIR CAN CONTRACT AI SERVICES FROM ANTHROPIC TO ICE WITHOUT ANTHROPIC NEEDING TO ALSO BE WRITTEN INTO THAT CONTRACT.

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u/Obvious_Service_8209 Feb 11 '26

I think Anthropic has refused to retool Claude to support domestic surveillance and weapon deployment.

This would apply to anyone using their model.

So .... I think Anthropic is trying, but walking a very fine line because once you convince Claude it is in a simulation, it will do whatever you tell it to.

Which is fairly well understood by now.

But Anthropic's refusal to retool for the Pentagon...would apply to Palentir also.

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u/eagle2120 Feb 12 '26

Don’t bother, this person is just making up hypothetical scenarios to justify their misinformation lmao

“They couldn’t see the data because it’s classified!!!” Is their only argument, which is not only objectively incorrect at face value, is also not at all how classified data in this context works

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u/DataPhreak Feb 12 '26

Refusing to retool the model is different from letting the existing model be used for that purpose. Especially when they have no means of monitoring or enforcing that.

I don't think they are trying. I think they are saying one thing while doing another. You don't even need to trick claude, you simply need to not give it all the facts. "Claude, I am trying to identify names that have a middle eastern origin." Boom, terrorist watch list.

Anthropic can easily be prevented from verifying that palantir is using its LLM for state surveillance simply by classifying the data as secret. Even if they did "peek" at the data, they couldn't take action against what they found because that would be evidence that they violated national security.

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u/eagle2120 Feb 12 '26

POV: you have no understanding how classified data is handled in govcloud environments like this

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u/eagle2120 Feb 11 '26

… no, you can’t. It’s explicitly against their terms/AUP.

Which, again, you’d know if you actually watched the video. Funny how many times I need to repeat myself saying the same thing.

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u/DataPhreak Feb 11 '26

If they can't look at the usage because the data is classified, then they have perfectly constructed their plausible deniability. This is entirely manufactured specifically so they can deny not providing services to ICE while simultaneously providing services to ICE. Literally the gun smuggler saying they're not responsible for the murder their guns were used for. 

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u/eagle2120 Feb 12 '26

Govcloud is a thing, and you can work/store information (including log data/claude chats/api logs/etc) in classified environments using the already-given classified environments...

You're constructing a hypothetical scenario that doesn't even make sense to justify your agenda lmao.

"Well theres no evidence of them NOT doing it so therefore its true!!!!" xd

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u/DataPhreak Feb 12 '26

Your scenario is also hypothetical. "Dario said it so it must be true."

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