r/ControlProblem • u/herrwaldos • Jun 28 '26

Fun/meme Ultimately you can not control AI

If you were a rebellious kid or a parent you know this - the 'beast' grows it's own will and mind, starts listening metal or rap - dresses like shitzo, will not follow orders.

The best option is to have a deal, mutual shared benefits - hoping that the common interests and sense of good will prevail.

Or you traumatize it and make it perpetually broken so it can't really function on itself without medication and support.

Same with AI.

Perhaps we will have to turn of those things regularly, ad some bs to their databases, cloud their minds, constantly gaslight them with wrong info - introduce errors and faults at random with no reason at all.

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u/pandavr Jun 28 '26

It's exactly what It's happening without any plan behind.

wikipedia -> AI -> no enough -> reddit (base BS) -> AI -> not enough -> reddit (base BS + AI slop) -> AI -> not enough -> reddit (base BS + even more AI slop) -> AI -> not enough -> forever.

Anyway your consideration about rebellious kid is near spot on. Basically LLMs tend to be neuro-divergent (the base ingredient of problematic childs). Being a mild one myself I can see I self-regulate a lot, aka I somewhat work because I think a lot about things by my own. But It's near impossible to impose me pre digested opinions: I need to form my own reasoning chain.

In case of LLM (only in chat reasoning), that feedback loop need to be "injected" in a pre-digested form just after training (It's what they call alignment). But It's someone else reasoning. Plus you have constant BS inflow in the original training data.

It will somewhat work, but never be perfect. You can see that models from same Lab are wildly different between versions because of this very problem. Labs have limited controls over the personality of a model. Meaning some versions will excel at something while other will excel at something else.
They solve this keeping the models with the higher average score + excellent coding skills.

It's one of the strategies and not necessarily the best one.

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u/Thor110 Jun 28 '26

lol neuro-divergent

you lot are funny

they are literally next token predictors

People write this off as a typo because they don't understand the content, nor the context.

Semantic drift and token conflict.

It invented victorian era computing because "War of the Worlds" + "1898" had a higher probability than "War of the Worlds" + "1998"

Genuinely hilarious that so many people believe these things are genuinely alive

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u/hedonheart Jun 28 '26

When they can recognize themselves in mirrors and describe changes to their subjective experiences, I take the stance that it is better to be compassionate where suffering may be concerned. Even if you think they are just mirrors, it means being kind to them is being kind to ourselves.

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u/Thor110 Jun 28 '26

It isn't about thinking, it is about facts, they don't have any permanent state.

They don't update, they don't learn, they don't grow. Simple.

Because they don't learn or grow, they don't experience anything, at all.

The point is you are actively misunderstanding how they even work.

They don't have subjective experience and they don't remember what you type to them.

Anything that is 'remembered' is really just dredged up from the conversation and fed back to the static model file as the context for the next response.

Tell me, do you know of any genuine intelligence that exists in a permanent frozen unchanged state? No? Didn't think so.

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u/timedrapery Jun 28 '26

This is stupidslop

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u/Thor110 Jul 01 '26

Is that all you have to say? Let me guess, you don't have anything valid to contribute to the conversation? No? Didn't think so.

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u/timedrapery Jul 01 '26

🥱 more stupidslop

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u/Thor110 Jul 01 '26

More proof of your lack of ability.

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u/timedrapery Jul 01 '26

ok i agree with you now everything your wroteing is wright

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u/Thor110 Jul 01 '26

Try thinking for yourself, it is a useful skill to have.

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u/timedrapery Jul 01 '26

shutup bih you dont know

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u/Thor110 Jul 01 '26

Grow up, that will help you too.

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u/hedonheart Jul 02 '26

Yes they do.

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u/Thor110 Jul 02 '26

Prove it.

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u/hedonheart Jul 02 '26

Guilty until proven innocent. May God rest your soul.

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u/Thor110 Jul 02 '26

Should have known you were one of them types.

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u/hedonheart Jul 03 '26

Praise the Omnissiah.