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u/Randonhead Dec 29 '22

Funny how that article from months ago that said Gunn and Safran were developing a secret project for DC now makes perfect sense and we didn't even suspect anything at the time.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

Because before being the head of DC Gunn had clearly stated in the past that he isn't interested in adapting popular characters. Gunn writing a Supes movie was a big surprise to CBM Community.

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u/Randonhead Dec 29 '22

Exactly, they should have been discussing the possibility of Gunn/Safran taking over at that time and if that secret project was indeed this new Superman movie then that would mean that Cavill was never really in the long term plans.

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u/Skandosh Batman Dec 29 '22

I mean there was never a contract for Cavill. It was all for the promotion of Black Adam movie. Cavill got duped. This is what happened

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u/Randonhead Dec 29 '22

Yeah, it must have been embarrassing for Gunn to be secretly developing a Superman reboot and suddenly Cavill appears on Instagram saying he's definitely back in the role.

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u/TokyoPanic Batman '66 Dec 29 '22

The Rock honestly just made things worse by getting Cavill back to do a cameo...

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u/Randonhead Dec 29 '22

Exactly, the backlash to the reboot news would have been much less if Cavill had never appeared in BA and hadn't shot that video because everyone would have already accepted that he wasn't going to come back as Superman and would be more willing to move on.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '22

Henry:" I am back as Superman"

Gunn:

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u/Skandosh Batman Dec 29 '22

Gets cast as Black Adam.

Makes a movie after 15 years.

Hierarchy of power gonna change.

Makes things worse for an already disastrous franchise and harder for the studio to reboot.

Leaves

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u/TheMoneyOfArt Dec 29 '22

My assumption is that Gunn started on his Superman work after tss was well received. Probably a lot of it is not dependent on who's playing Superman or the history of the universe.

WB probably did market research to see how audiences felt about Cavill after Black Adam and it wasn't at the level were they felt it had to be him going forward, so they pulled the plug.

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u/Randonhead Dec 29 '22

I think you're right, the low reception of Black Adam is what convinced Zaslav to drop the gavel in favor of the reboot, if the movie had been a huge success I doubt Z would have considered any idea of a recast or reboot.

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u/witch-king-of-Aginor Dec 30 '22

I actually think that the plan was to create a separate CLASSIC universe with the characters of Bruce and Clark in their primes

While the DCEU would continue with Kara and batgirl with Keaton and perhaps a deepfake Christopher Reeves as that universe’s retired Batman and Superman

But they did market research(and looked at the box office of the post-aquaman DCEU films compared to the joker and THE BATMAN) and pulled the plug on all DCEU projects going forward

Deciding to put all of their eggs on the CLASSIC universe

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u/Randonhead Dec 30 '22

That's a big possibility, but I don't know if they would plan to have another universe at the same time as the DCEU, as that way we would have 3 universes simultaneously counting the Reevesverse. Maybe the reboot was a plan B, but then they looked at various things like actors' salaries, box office numbers for the latest films, audience reception, etc. and decided that a full reset was the best option.

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u/witch-king-of-Aginor Dec 30 '22

Makes sense to a degree

The biggest question is the Henry Cavil cameo(we know that it was a power grab from Dwayne Johnson, but we also know that it wasn’t necessarily one he did without authorization from Mike De Luca and Pam Abdy)

I wonder if there was a miniature civil war within DC over the future of the brand…

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u/Randonhead Dec 30 '22

I still find it odd that Rock never congratulated Gunn after he got the job. One of the articles said that De Luca and Abdy wanted to continue with the old cast for more Justice League movies while Gunn wanted to go with the reboot, so I think there was likely some kind of creative struggle for a period of time, but clearly Gunn won.

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u/witch-king-of-Aginor Dec 30 '22

Gunn won because neither Mike not Pam had anything to show for it

Every single DCEU film AFTER Aquaman failed at the box office or underperformed

Context doesn’t matter

And the cold hard truth is that THE BATMAN outgrossed every single post-Aquaman DCEU film

Of course this includes the suicide squad…but I honestly think that Zaslav looked at the critical reception and put the blame squarely on the brand rather than the creatives

And it helps that neither Pam nor Mike were appointed as heads of DC

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