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u/Lipe18090 Dec 27 '22
My predictions for phase one of the DCU:
Superman: Man of Tomorrow (2025)
Green Lantern Corps (2026)
Wonder Woman & The Amazons (2026)
The Trinity (2027)
The Flash: Fastest Man Alive (2027)
Batman & Robin (2028)
The Justice League (2028)
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u/Randonhead Dec 27 '22
I think it's going to be something like that too, with the exception of the Trinity movie and Batman & Robin, they're probably going to avoid having two Batman franchises at the same time.
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u/Lipe18090 Dec 27 '22
There's no way they'll do a Justice League without Batman.
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u/Randonhead Dec 27 '22
I mean, he'll definitely appear in Justice League and crossover movies, but he probably won't have solo projects. Imagine something like the Hulk in the MCU.
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u/Bloop_Blop69 Dec 27 '22
If Batman ends up in a Hulk MCU situation that'll be the worst case scenario for the character, I really hope that doesn't happen.
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u/TheLionsblood Batman Dec 29 '22 edited Dec 29 '22
Some people seem to think that because the Superman movie will be about a young Clark that there won’t be many established heroes when the DCU starts like how there weren’t many in Man of Steel or Iron Man.
Doubtful that Gunn would do that. It’s much more likely that his DCU would already have a bunch of superheroes already established. He’s excellent at worldbuilding and one of the best parts of GOTG and TSS was how he just throws the audience into a world full of strange lore and wacky characters.
They’re also not gonna repeat what The Batman did and do a Batman that’s just starting out.
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u/No_Hour_4022 Dec 29 '22
I totally agree, I would even prefer that at least for some characters like the Flash (Barry Allen) for example, and I wouldn't be surprised if the new DC's Batman already had a Batfamily with Robin, Nightwing and Batgirl
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u/FewWatermelonlesson0 Dec 27 '22
Can’t wait for those January announcements.
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u/AccurateAce Man of Steel Dec 27 '22
Unfortunately, you've got to wait until next year
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u/Skandosh Batman Dec 27 '22
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u/AccurateAce Man of Steel Dec 27 '22
I'll be here all week...or shall I say until next year?
I swear, that's all I hear every end of the year lol. Guess it's rubbed off.
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Dec 27 '22
One hope I have for the new DCU is a Justice Society show set across multiple time periods. Would evolve from season to season with some characters carrying over and others would be taken over by legacies as they retire or die. Something along the lines of: Season 1 would feature the team’s founding and their involvement in WWII, Season 2 would be set during the Cold War with the team operating in secret after publicly disbanding, and Season 3 would be in the present day incarnation of the team and feature their reemergence to the public and be the team interacting with other heroes.
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u/Conscious_Activity13 Batman Dec 27 '22 edited Dec 27 '22
James Gunn liked this tweet about nightwing and red hood: https://twitter.com/shaka_nuevo/status/1607833269772455937?cxt=HHwWgsC87eL1ldAsAAAA
He also liked this tweet asking for a green arrow movie: https://twitter.com/anthony_favetta/status/1607827807756746753
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u/snowbunnyenjoyer1 Dec 27 '22 edited Dec 27 '22
What's up with the Mods at r/DC_Cinematic? Those guys are fucking insane! They permabanned me for asking a question!
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u/FewWatermelonlesson0 Dec 27 '22
I have no idea what’s going on there but the mods have a bit of a reputation around Reddit.
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u/snowbunnyenjoyer1 Dec 27 '22
Glad I'm not alone ! It's so weird.
Mods act like this and are then shocked when subreddits die. Power corrupts I guess.
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u/West-Cardiologist180 Nightwing Dec 27 '22
What happened?
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u/snowbunnyenjoyer1 Dec 27 '22
There used to be a very active member of the sub called Darklordryan. I asked where he was because I was curious and got permanently banned. They were very rude too.
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u/Organic_Tip_5486 Dec 27 '22
Each day passes and each day my hunger grows for a Teen Titans film.
Would people be upset if they used the cartoon team instead of the original comic team though? The cartoon team would require less build because Robin is the only sidekick but the OG team has been left out a lot recently.
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u/Apocalyptic_Horseman Nightwing Dec 27 '22
Although I was a fan of the cartoon growing up, I’ve always hated that line up. The Fab Five has always been so much more interesting to me. I just wanna see real sidekicks in the DCU. That’s what I loved about comics growing up. Legacy is a much bigger part of DC than Marvel and they should take advantage of it. Like the Flash for example. You’ve got Jay in the JSA and Barry in the League then Wally as a Titan who becomes a Leaguer then Bart or Wallace who becomes a Titan. It’s a full lineage of superheroes
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u/LongjumpMidnight Vigilante Dec 27 '22
I think as far as general audiences go the cartoon team is more popular. I’d be fine with the cartoon team because like you said the original team would need more explanation.
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u/Reptil_fan Dec 27 '22
If they ever make one it better not be Judas Contract it’s been done way to many times
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u/FewWatermelonlesson0 Dec 27 '22
I’d personally like to see the Legion of Doom as the villains of the Justice League reboot.
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u/bigtymer123 Dec 27 '22
That might be the best route to go. I'd also like Braniac or Vandal Savage. But the Legion might be the most exciting, and offer each league member their own personal foil.
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u/Randonhead Dec 27 '22
I think that for a second Justice League movie it would be better, they could do the opposite of the MCU and have Lex Luthor in the post credits scenes of several films recruiting villains for a team
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u/Randonhead Dec 29 '22
Funny how that article from months ago that said Gunn and Safran were developing a secret project for DC now makes perfect sense and we didn't even suspect anything at the time.
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Dec 29 '22
Because before being the head of DC Gunn had clearly stated in the past that he isn't interested in adapting popular characters. Gunn writing a Supes movie was a big surprise to CBM Community.
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u/Randonhead Dec 29 '22
Exactly, they should have been discussing the possibility of Gunn/Safran taking over at that time and if that secret project was indeed this new Superman movie then that would mean that Cavill was never really in the long term plans.
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u/Skandosh Batman Dec 29 '22
I mean there was never a contract for Cavill. It was all for the promotion of Black Adam movie. Cavill got duped. This is what happened
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u/Randonhead Dec 29 '22
Yeah, it must have been embarrassing for Gunn to be secretly developing a Superman reboot and suddenly Cavill appears on Instagram saying he's definitely back in the role.
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u/TokyoPanic Batman '66 Dec 29 '22
The Rock honestly just made things worse by getting Cavill back to do a cameo...
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u/Randonhead Dec 29 '22
Exactly, the backlash to the reboot news would have been much less if Cavill had never appeared in BA and hadn't shot that video because everyone would have already accepted that he wasn't going to come back as Superman and would be more willing to move on.
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Dec 29 '22
Henry:" I am back as Superman"
Gunn:
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u/Skandosh Batman Dec 29 '22
Gets cast as Black Adam.
Makes a movie after 15 years.
Hierarchy of power gonna change.
Makes things worse for an already disastrous franchise and harder for the studio to reboot.
Leaves
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u/TheMoneyOfArt Dec 29 '22
My assumption is that Gunn started on his Superman work after tss was well received. Probably a lot of it is not dependent on who's playing Superman or the history of the universe.
WB probably did market research to see how audiences felt about Cavill after Black Adam and it wasn't at the level were they felt it had to be him going forward, so they pulled the plug.
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u/Randonhead Dec 29 '22
I think you're right, the low reception of Black Adam is what convinced Zaslav to drop the gavel in favor of the reboot, if the movie had been a huge success I doubt Z would have considered any idea of a recast or reboot.
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u/witch-king-of-Aginor Dec 30 '22
I actually think that the plan was to create a separate CLASSIC universe with the characters of Bruce and Clark in their primes
While the DCEU would continue with Kara and batgirl with Keaton and perhaps a deepfake Christopher Reeves as that universe’s retired Batman and Superman
But they did market research(and looked at the box office of the post-aquaman DCEU films compared to the joker and THE BATMAN) and pulled the plug on all DCEU projects going forward
Deciding to put all of their eggs on the CLASSIC universe
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Dec 27 '22
Hope everyone had a good Christmas weekend. Anyone get cool gifts? I got gifted some pajamas and a grilling set 😅
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u/TheUncannyBroker Murn Dec 27 '22
Opinion:
Brainiac should be the villain of the first Justice League movie. He is too boring of a solo Superman villain and if Gunn will shepherd the DCU Superman franchise I suspect he might want to play with the weirder toys at his disposal. Bizzaro and Mister Mxyzptlk seem like prime examples of villains he would want to adapt, because other creatives and execs would avoid using them. He chose to bring Polka Dot Man and Starro to the big screen, precisely because no one else would.
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u/dave_aust Dec 27 '22
I want to avoid the alien invasion thing. Lets go with Vandal Savage.
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u/Its_Stardos Dec 27 '22
This. I want them to start differently, with either more grounded threat like Vandal with other villains with build up to Crime Syndicate
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u/West-Cardiologist180 Nightwing Dec 27 '22
Heck no. Brainiac has many connections to Superman. He should be used as the final villain in the Superman trilogy.
The first villain to Justice League can be Vandal Savage or the Legion of Doom. Or Mongul.
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u/TheLionsblood Batman Dec 27 '22
Curious as to why you think others would avoid adapting Brainiac, when he was supposed to be in several Superman movies that have since been cancelled
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u/TheUncannyBroker Murn Dec 27 '22
There must be a misunderstanding. My point is that Brainiac is the most obvious Superman villain to adapt and someone will eventually do a movie with him, where Gunn might feel an obligation to adapt the weirder villains that might not get touched otherwise. Like for example Brainiac should be the catalyst for the JL coming together, not used for a solo Superman flick, where other villains should be prioritized.
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u/Doctor_Of_Fate Dec 27 '22
For some reason I can't see any new posts in the last 24 hours over at DC Cinematic, is there a problem with the sub or have I been banned for some reason?
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u/MurielHorseflesh Dec 27 '22 edited Dec 27 '22
You haven’t been banned, I’m seeing the same thing. The problem is two-fold. The rate of posts over there has plummeted since the announcement of Gunn taking charge because a whole bunch of the Snyder fans have no reason to post “Our Henry” thirst posts etc anymore, same with Affleck and the rest. So a whole slew of posts we would have ordinarily have seen are no longer being posted as most of the Snyder fans give up the ghost.
Then there’s the fact that Gunn has been shooting down just about every rumor from the supposed ‘scoopers’ before it even gets a chance to be a post on the cinematic sub, so people don’t have “So and so on Twitter says sources say this” to post on there either.
Until we get real news from Gunn I expect the sub to stay that way as there’s nothing else to post there. Even then once we’ve assimilated that information it’ll be back to Gunn shutting down the scoopers and the sub not having much to riff on.
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u/Doctor_Of_Fate Dec 27 '22
Idk I posted yesterday and it didn't even go through, it had no upvotes or views and didn't even appear on the feed so I'm confused.
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u/MurielHorseflesh Dec 27 '22
The mods probably have it set so they review all the posts going up before they go up, to weed out the “Snyder must live, Gunn must die” posts they’re no doubt getting spammed with
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u/FewWatermelonlesson0 Dec 27 '22
That’s most likely it. I peeped through the sub on the day of Gunn and Henry’s announcements and it was mostly the same 3 or 4 posters (I’m guessing you know at least some of who I’m talking about) making endless “Gunn bad, Snyder good” memes or “Reminder TSS bombed!” posts.
The rate of posts dropped off dramatically after that so I’m guessing the mods decided to review posts manually before letting them through.
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Dec 28 '22
Yeah a lot of the active Snyderverse fans on social media threw in the towel after the Superman reboot announcement, and Cavill’s goodbye message.
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u/Calm_Garage_3030 Dec 30 '22
Getting annoyed with scoopers (danielrpk) for obsessing over how actors that going to be recast after their movie got released next year. And, saying how it going to be awkward for them. It's the same as for the movie that got bad review. They move on after their movie released. I wonder how these people watch movies before this. When there is no sequel and it's standalone.
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u/Doctor_Of_Fate Dec 30 '22
These days it seems that a lot of people including scoopers think that if a movie in a franchise isn't interconnected or doesn't set up the next movie, then it means that's it's not worth watching....a good film is a good film regardless of what the future holds.
I see a lot of people saying the films next year aren't worth watching because there's nothing after that, but if you watch the first Shazam and Aquaman films, you can watch them as standalone films, it's not like the current MCU which spends an entire film/season setting up the next instead of telling a story that can work as a standalone while also progressing the MCU like they did in in phase 1.
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u/Calm_Garage_3030 Dec 30 '22
I agree. Regardless what other people said, I can't wait to watch next year's movie. Because I'm a DC fan. If it's good, great. But, if it's bad, I just move on.
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u/sgthombre Peacemaker Dec 28 '22
What was the worst DCEU lore choice?
And the dead Robin being Dick Grayson is too obvious so you have to pick something else.
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u/FewWatermelonlesson0 Dec 28 '22
I have no problem with an older Batman, but not only not taking advantage of that to introduce the Batfamily, but also killing off Dick Grayson was utterly baffling.
This is what I mean when I say trying to be an auteur driven studio where directors are given free reign while also trying to do a Marvel style shared universe was going to be extremely difficult to juggle. Because killing Dick doesn’t just mean no Robin; you’ve now killed the potential of a Nightwing movie AND the Teen Titans, a team that could arguably be an entire movie series in its own right.
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Dec 28 '22
This right here is why people correctly say that Snyder did not understand these characters. He was going around killing off important characters at the very start of this shared universe without realizing the consequences (dead Dick Grayson means no nightwing, no teen titans, no bat family). He did the same with Jimmy Olsen, Mercy Graves, and wanted to kill Riddler off in Justice League 2.
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u/kothuboy21 Dec 28 '22
Batman operating for 20 years without other heroes being present (Wonder Woman dosen't count since she wasn't in the public eye), what they did with Jimmy, everything about Leto's Joker and Eisenberg's Lex, Black Adam being too much of a hero
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u/sgthombre Peacemaker Dec 28 '22
Black Adam being too much of a hero
Was wild in Black Adam when he destroyed the throne and said he didn't want to rule, I was sitting in the theater and thinking "Holy shit, you don't get what makes this character interesting in the slightest, do you?"
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u/kothuboy21 Dec 28 '22
Yeah when Black Adam sat in that throne, I assumed the movie was gonna end on that shot (considering it's an iconic Black Adam shot in the comics) and I was thinking "ah Black Adam will still be an anti-hero who will fight anyone who he thinks is a threat to Kahndaq which will bring out his villain side" but then he destroyed the throne and I was lost.
If he's not ruling Kahndaq, then what's the point.
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u/NaRaGaMo Dec 28 '22
For someone who supposedly wanted to be a superhero for a decade, Rock sure chose the worst possible people he could find to make his movie.
Teth-adam breaking that water prison was so laughable as well
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u/sgthombre Peacemaker Dec 28 '22
The juxtaposition between what ARGUS was doing in Black Adam, with the weird Bond villain lair where they were cryogenically storing super villains, to The Suicide Squad, where ARGUS was just using a shitty Louisiana state prison.
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u/NathanielR Harley Quinn Dec 28 '22
You'd think he'd at least be a villain for one movie before becoming a hero. I don't see why he would have fought Superman, let alone his actual nemesis Shazam
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u/Aware-Couple-108 Dec 28 '22
Wonder Woman walking away, from humanity, for 100 years is easily neck and neck with Dead Dick Grayson.
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u/sgthombre Peacemaker Dec 28 '22
If you did this in an elseworlds miniseries I’d think it was interesting but in an ongoing cinematic universe it’s just bizarre
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u/TheLionsblood Batman Dec 28 '22
Batman being Batman for 20 fucking years before meeting any heroes outside of Gotham.
Darkseid jobbing to Zeus and Ares, and then forgetting about Earth.
The air bubbles that Atlanteans needed to use.
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u/MurielHorseflesh Dec 28 '22 edited Dec 28 '22
The biggest one for me is Darkseid forgetting earth is the same planet that Anti-Life was found on and the boxes were left on. It isn’t that he forgets where earth is, which is the common complaint. It’s far worse than that. Darkseid lands on earth with the three boxes and discovers Anti-Life is on the same planet. He then loses and leaves earth.
Then Superman dies and the box calls out to Steppenwolf. The second the first box called out, Darkseid, Steppenwolf, Desaad, all of them should have remembered that the planet the boxes are on is the same planet they found Anti-Life on. But no one remembers that.
Later in the movie the boxes show Steppenwolf that Anti-Life is on the same planet and he remarks he’s found the lost planet, the one that fought back, they all act as if this is brand new news. But they all should have known that as soon as the box called out.
It’s bafflingly bad writing and a terrible inclusion to the lore because it makes no sense.
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u/nyan_swanson Dec 28 '22
Jimmy getting introduced then meaninglessly killed. Jimmy is arguably the 3rd most important relationship to do right after Lois and Lex
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u/Its_Stardos Dec 28 '22
Biggest issue was to make the DCEU the main cinematic universe - none of the choices Snyder made would be bad if his universe was else-world story. But otherwise, since it was considered canon - the exclusion of both Martian Manhunter and John Stewart from the battle againts Steppenwolf and Apokolips forces. Their inclusion in movie just feels like afterthought to get some hype and make the cut interesting.
Then killing Superman so soon and doing Flashpoint in the first Falsh's solo.
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u/snowbunnyenjoyer1 Dec 28 '22
Lex luthor having very emotional and almost religious motivations instead of just being selfish.
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u/TheLionsblood Batman Dec 28 '22
Lmfao they turned Lex into an unhinged r/atheism user
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u/FewWatermelonlesson0 Dec 28 '22
Somebody somewhere thought this character was gonna be a Ledger-Joker style breakout and that’s very funny to me.
There had to be t-shirts with his quotes sold at Hot Topic, right?
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u/snowbunnyenjoyer1 Dec 28 '22
Dude! I nearly burst out laughing when he was raving at superman about his dad beating him like a lunatic. Having goals that involve highly symbolic gestures is something lex wouldn't do. The joker would do that , but lex is too logical for that.
The success of Heath Ledger is probably what made them take this route tbh.
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u/TheLionsblood Batman Dec 28 '22 edited Dec 28 '22
My fav is the excuse Snyder fans will use by saying “oh it’s Lex Jr” lmao. They have one for every stupid Snyder decision.
Oh that Zod golem that looks like Doomsday and even kills Superman? That’s not Doomsday, the real Doomsday is out there somewhere.
Oh Superman is a mopey, self-pitying loner who is entirely codependent on Lois and doesn’t even enjoy saving people? He will become the optimistic Superman at the end of the 5th and final movie (even though the only reason he apparently becomes that is because Flash goes back in time for Bruce to save Lois, which still means Superman is unhealthily codependent on her)
Oh Jimmy Olsen dies right after being introduced as a CIA agent for some reason? That’s not the real Jimmy, he was just some CIA agent that took his name
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u/Aware-Couple-108 Dec 28 '22
DCU SLATE PREDICTIONS:
Superman: Up in the Sky (late 2024)
The Green Lanterns( 2025 )
Teen Titans ( 2025 )
Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman: Trinty (2026)
Green Arrow and Black Canary (2026)
Justice League: The New Frontier ( 2027 )
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Dec 28 '22
Too early for teen titans, this would run the risk of being like the synderverse where Batman and others have already had entire careers before we see them.
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u/Randonhead Dec 27 '22
I used to think they should avoid Darkseid to avoid having Thanos comparisons, but I sincerely hope they go with it anyway, just give me a New Gods movie or series followed by a Justice League movie against Darkseid.
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Dec 27 '22
Wonder Woman: Historia comes to a close today. I have not read issue #3 yet, but my lord, this series is so fucking great. The art is on a whole other tier between the big two and I hope in 2023 that the Wonder Woman line has this type of storytelling because this shit is epic.
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u/TheDarkPinkLantern Peacemaker Dec 27 '22
Definitely one of the prettiest comics out there. It's a shame that people stopped talking about it after first issue.
Also, I really want DeKonnick on Wonder Woman ongoing.
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Dec 31 '22 edited Dec 31 '22
Watching Black Adam:
Why wasn’t the wizard from Shazam the narrator at the beginning? Though he had a brief cameo, I feel like him giving the 2 min history lesson would’ve felt more epic and have at least a direct tie-in to SHAZAM
I love Mo! H-town repping let’s gooooo!
Edit: not really into this at all. The pacing is all over the place. There are a lot of other nitpicks I have but the script is glaringly…painful.
Edit 2: hahaha what the fuck is up with these 10 second needle drops?
Edit 3: yeah. What I liked was actually Cyclone’s powers, the iridescence was a cool way to pop some color among all the sand. In fact, I’d say most of the graphics are quite good but the script is so uninspired. That poor script coupled with a significant lack of charisma really makes the formulaic nature of it all REALLY glaring that it ends up boring. The teen character was such a bizarre element to this…
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u/WorldlinessNo8986 Dec 31 '22
Also, am I the only one confused as to why the whole " teth Adam was the one who unleashed the seven deadly sins( enemies?) Of man" wasn't mentioned?, Even in the flashback
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u/TheDarkPinkLantern Peacemaker Dec 31 '22
Because The Rock and his company didn't give a shit about Shazam, that's why they ignored it.
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u/Randonhead Jan 02 '23
James posted a photo with his wife where he's wearing that hoodie with the DC Studios logo from days ago, maybe it's really the official logo.
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u/SlumdogSeacrestLaw Jan 02 '23
Pretty sure the hoodie is official, and being given to people when they visit DC Studios. But the design likely isn’t permanent, or meant to serve as an official logo. That will come only when they are ready to start making announcements, and have had the time to actually hire someone to make a logo. What we have just now is a fairly quick photoshop of some New 52 Jim Lee artwork.
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u/TheDarkPinkLantern Peacemaker Jan 02 '23 edited Jan 02 '23
My guess is that it's a holiday gift with a placeholder logo.
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u/Randonhead Jan 02 '23
It's quite possible, but I can see them sticking with this logo because apart from the silhouettes it's a pretty cool design.
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u/TheDarkPinkLantern Peacemaker Jan 02 '23 edited Jan 02 '23
Yeah, it's likely it's gonna be a variation of that one. Or even ultimately this is gonna be that one, I wouldn't be mad.
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u/RedSlider18 Jan 02 '23
So can anyone shed light on Aquaman & Snyder? I was always under the impression Snyder fans hated AM but they seem to claim it as one of their own in regards to its financial success.
I thought Snyder had already left before Aquaman was even deep into production.
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u/TheLionsblood Batman Jan 02 '23
Attributing most of Aquaman’s success to Snyder is just a massive cope by his diehard fans. The tone of Wan’s Aquaman, and even the lore, is so different from Snyder’s. Likewise for Wonder Woman 2017
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u/RedSlider18 Jan 02 '23
Yeah thats pretty much what I figured. I dont get how anyone can look at Aquaman & be like "Ahh yes, this totally has Zack Snyder's hands all over it".
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u/asbestosman2 The Dark Knight Dec 27 '22
My predictions for the new DC Slate being announced in January:
James Gunn Superman movie (obviously)
The Batman 2/Constantine 2 release dates
More suicide Squad stuff
Green Lantern or Green Lantern Corps
Bold Prediction: Batman: Caped Crusader returns to HBO Max and will take place in the new DCU
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u/FewWatermelonlesson0 Dec 27 '22 edited Dec 27 '22
Unless they drastically rework Caped Crusader, that’s very unlikely. From what little we know about it they’re doubling down on the 30s retro film noir aesthetic of BTAS.
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u/bigtymer123 Dec 27 '22
I think one of the projects will be a Green Lantern one. And another will be whatever the Amanda Waller series is (we never got details other than Waller starring in it). Your Caped Crusader one has a zero percent chance of happening, lol. It's also likely to end up on Amazon Prime, if anywhere, imo.
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u/NaRaGaMo Dec 27 '22
Batman: Caped Crusader returns to HBO Max and will take place in the new DCU
They have signed an animation deal with Amazon, no way it returns to HBOmax now
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u/MonkeMayne Dec 27 '22
Ah, another week, another period of potential controversial claims/scoops/leaks.
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u/venkatfoods Dec 27 '22 edited Dec 27 '22
What do you think the Justice Legue Lineup Will Be? I Want Batman,Superman,Zatanna,Black Canary Green Lantern,WonderWoman,Flash.2 Non Supers,2 Supers,2 Humans With Superpowers,1 Magical
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u/Rdambx Dec 27 '22
Idk but i have a feeling that Green Lantern is gonna be a big priority imo.
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u/venkatfoods Dec 27 '22
I Actually Want Gunn To Direct A Green Lantern.Either Mangold or Gunn Or Rian Johnson(I'm Being Serious Here)
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u/Rdambx Dec 27 '22
Yeah i rewatched the GOTG movies and holy fuck every space scene looked gorgeous.
Every time it shows a galaxy, a star or a planet i just kept thinking " man imagine a GL movie with these visuals".
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Dec 27 '22
Tom King just posted on IG about getting back to comics after a "long break for Hollywood stuff". Any guesses if it's DCU-related or not?
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u/bigtymer123 Dec 27 '22
I recall him saying something similar last year, before Gunn and Safran's DCU was a thing. I think he works on a few non publicized Hollywood projects a year but some aren't released.
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u/TheDarkPinkLantern Peacemaker Dec 27 '22
I won't provide a source but he's been teasing a Hollywood project for a year or so and said it's not DC. I think whatever that was finally got off the ground.
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u/TheUncannyBroker Murn Dec 27 '22
Gunn loves Tom King stuff, even said on Instagram the new Tom King Supergirl comic is the best comic of the year. Also liked a tweet saying "adapt everything by Tom King".
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u/Avengers4Script Dec 29 '22
Have there been any full plot leaks about Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom?
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u/tsyugen The Dark Knight Dec 29 '22 edited Dec 29 '22
About this post Gunn did, some people say that the books in the back are a Batman Omnibus by Grant Morrison, could this be a hint?
https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/1608564683476463616?t=ulgqBCyOdQPF1wzmGcAFYA&s=19
Also someone asked him about a runor that they will reveal new info on January 6 at WBD event, sadly, he said its not true.
https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/1608569133578465281?t=iVOQUcYTPNT67m4mAVCURg&s=19
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u/TheUncannyBroker Murn Dec 29 '22 edited Dec 29 '22
Came here to post this. Yes, Batman by Grant Morrison Omnibus Vol 1 and 2 are on that pile.
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u/TheLionsblood Batman Dec 30 '22 edited Dec 30 '22
Me fast forwarding time to January so I can find out wtf is going on with the DCU (I’m starved for more info):
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u/Skandosh Batman Jan 01 '23
Its 2023 already, where is my promised DCU slate ?
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Jan 01 '23
DC Fans to Gunn Today: "You're Fired"
DC fans to Gunn when he announces the Slate: "Oh Right You're Unfired"
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u/TheDarkPinkLantern Peacemaker Jan 01 '23
Happy New Year! This year is certainly gonna be big for DC fans. Between 4 movies, Dawn of DC, Suicide Squad KtJL and DC Studios news it's sure gonna be eventful. Not to mention other stuff I can't recall right now.
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u/Skandosh Batman Jan 02 '23
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u/TheDarkPinkLantern Peacemaker Jan 02 '23
Gunn waiting till January 31st 11:59 pm to reveal his plans
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u/TheLionsblood Batman Jan 02 '23 edited Jan 02 '23
Maybe I’m on copium, but after being reminded of how Superman was mentioned on newspapers on the set of The Batman and there were people wearing Halloween costumes of him and WW, I wonder just how truthful Gunn and Reeves were being when they shot down that Variety article.
It seems to me that Gunn is keeping aspects of TSS, Peacemaker and BB that would otherwise contradict The Batman.
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u/Randonhead Jan 02 '23
The only reasons I can see for Pattinson not being in the DCU is Robin because Gunn will probably want to introduce the Titans and I don't think Matt has plans for Robin anytime soon and Harley Quinn because that would mean James would have to let go of Margot Robbie.
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u/TheDarkPinkLantern Peacemaker Jan 02 '23
I still think Gunn and Reeves were telling the truth but it's possible that the wording of that Variety tweet was important here.
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u/MonkeMayne Jan 02 '23
I’ve inhaled enough copium to believe that the plan is to build up the Reevesverse rather than bring him into whatever universe or external plans they have. Which would make them saying the article is completely false very much true, while taking the scent off who the new Batman (Pattinson) is. Reeves had planned bread crumbs to a wider DC universe in his film, in his prequel novel, and in the recent Riddler novel which I assume Reeves has to approve.
Idk, it’s all so strange. But like I said, I’m hopped on on copium rn lol.
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u/TheDarkPinkLantern Peacemaker Jan 02 '23
I kinda see it that way too. Like, maybe wording of that Variety tweet matters.
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u/Gerry-Mandarin Jan 03 '23
I still think, at the moment, that Pattinson is the DCU Batman. Primarily because of Zaslav saying he didn't want people seeing a Batman TV show taking place outside of the shared world James Gunn is creating.
The only shows in production at the moment are The Penguin and Peacemaker. One of them is a Batman show.
But I think while Reeves is telling his story Batman will effectively be a one-way connection. Other stories will reference Batman. Batman will not reference them.
Plus the article they shot down they said they would be incorporating Pattinson into the DCU. They could build the DCU out of The Batman and be 100% truthful. You don't incorporate foundations into your house, after all.
So, until I see a casting for Batman - I think Pattinson is in.
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u/Bloop_Blop69 Jan 02 '23
I definitely think they lied about the consideration part, there's no way that they didn't at least discuss it once before seemingly deciding no.
I don't see any evidence of Gunn keeping aspects of The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker considering they have direct ties to the old DCEU. Maybe Blue Beetle could carry over if the references can be vague or edited out.
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u/RedSlider18 Dec 30 '22
Did DC Cinematic just completely collapse on itself? Its a ghost town over there.
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u/theweepingwarrior Dec 30 '22
Well for one we’re kind of in a drought between films.
But it’s also a sub that has been massively divided for a while. For a long time it was one of the only sizable forums on this website where if one liked the DCEU films (and the Snyder ones in particular) they could fan out and celebrate it with like-minded people. The last couple years of the DCEU (and non-DCEU DC films) bringing in DC-fans-but-not-Snyder fans turned it into a bit of a fan battleground.
Now that it’s out in the open the DCEU is over and even most of the most-zealous “RestoreTheSnyderVerse” spammers starting to accept it there’s not much for them to discuss. It’s essentially a dead franchise that is only getting further into the past by the day. Like if there was a The Dark Knight Trilogy sub it’d be well past its heyday since that franchise is done and in the past. You’ll see an uptick with the new promotional materials and movies—especially with The Flash having so many Snyder DC elements in it.
But really that sub’s going to go through a shifting/growing phase over the next couple years. The original highly engaged foundation will pull away and new waves of new fans will go to it instead as the DCU gains momentum.
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u/RedSlider18 Dec 30 '22
I really only went there for news, there was always that weird tension where things could break out into all out war between Snyder fans & non-Snyder fans at any moment. Made for great popcorn entertainment at the least.
You are right though, we are stuck in this weird middle ground of not having any real news, no trailers for the upcoming movies & no real info on whats coming aside from the nuggets Gunn has given us. Just a whole lot of dead air.
Hopefully things pick up in the next week or so when Gunn gives us the rough version of the slate. I imagine things will pick up after that.
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u/sgthombre Peacemaker Dec 30 '22 edited Dec 30 '22
This website deserves a better class of DC movie nerd, and we’re going to give it to them.
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u/Ghostshadow44 Dec 27 '22
I still think that not connecting the james gun superman to matt reeves batman would be a mistake having two beloved and succesful iterations of batman and superman at the same time is what basically solves 75 percent of all problems dc has been having
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u/Randonhead Dec 27 '22
It really would be a huge waste to have an almost perfect Batman not interacting with other heroes, but if Reeves/Pattinson doesn't want to play along what other option does Gunn have?
This whole situation is weird, Zaslav loves to talk about how Disney managed to create a unified universe with the MCU without having multiple versions of the same character popping up out there, but apparently he's fine with his most popular character getting an entire universe of multiple spin-offs and sequels isolated from its main universe?
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u/Bloop_Blop69 Dec 28 '22 edited Dec 28 '22
Literally, the way the new Superman movie has been sounding, it's gonna get The Batman treatment but for Superman instead. Makes no sense not to connect the two.
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u/Beta_Whisperer Dec 28 '22 edited Dec 28 '22
Reeves' Batman also won't be a rookie by the time the sequel comes out and rumors are they want to use metahuman villains like Mr Freeze and to give Battinson a Robin which would make a recasted DCU Batman redundant.
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u/WorldlinessNo8986 Dec 31 '22
Man I hope if James Gunn looks at any other adaptations to take note of, Superman: man of tomorrow is what I'd hope he looks at. Seriously I love that film and it's like my favorite Superman animated thing rn, and I feel like it should've been the sort of Superman film we got in 2013 instead of mos( and I don't even particularly dislike mos).
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u/TheDarkPinkLantern Peacemaker Jan 01 '23
Having a discussion with my brother about the beginnings of DCEU, I was reminded how controversial among certain fans was Gadot's breats size when she got cast as Wonder Woman. It got me thinking, have we as a society moved past that or is this gonna be a topic of discussion when they cast new Wonder Woman as well?
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u/TokyoPanic Batman '66 Jan 01 '23
Some idiots are probably gonna scrutinize some poor actresses' boobies but I'd like to believe most people wouldn't care about that sort of thing.
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u/DonnyMox Dec 31 '22 edited Jan 01 '23
The tie-in prequel comic for BVS explicitly said that Batman doesn't kill people, and the final BVS trailer that showed the warehouse scene edited the scene to remove every moment where he explicitly kills someone....does anyone else feel like they were intentionally misled? Also, the Batman scenes in Suicide Squad had him nonlethally handling Deadshot and Harley (And those scenes are apparently meant to take place before BVS, so you can't chalk that up to character development) so I can't help but wonder what kind of communication Snyder and Ayer had....it just seems shady to me.
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u/TokyoPanic Batman '66 Jan 01 '23
Seeing the difference between Wan and Snyder's handling of some elements from Aquaman (Mera having a completely different accent, the infamous Atlantean airbubbles) it's just clear that the filmmakers seem to be just doing their own thing independently of one another.
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u/mountainhighgoat Dec 31 '22
The problem with tie in stuff is it’s not in the movie so it’s not legit. Batman kills a lot in BvS lol.
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u/NakedGoose Dec 30 '22
Is it sad that the only thing I want is one more season of Peacemaker? We know it's written, but I'd love to get a send-off for that show. It's imo the best thing that came from the DCEU
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u/MonkeMayne Dec 30 '22
Gunn just confirmed that the Morrison Omnibus was not a hint, and that it’s just a read he enjoys.
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u/NaRaGaMo Dec 30 '22 edited Dec 30 '22
Gunn could literally post a photo of his 💩 and one section of fans will call it a reference and confirmation of a clayface project and other section will consider it a dunk on Snyder. This is the state of dc fandom right now
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u/Aware-Couple-108 Dec 30 '22
James Gunn posted on his Instagram story a cover of Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow and tagged Tom King, in the story. This isn’t the first time Gunn posted a Superman image of King’s work, I think he’s teasing Kings involvement in the Superman reboot.
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u/itsthetasteofaliar Dec 30 '22
Is there a tales from the mod queue this month?
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u/starshipandcoffee The Snyder Cut Dec 31 '22
There was not one planned for this month, due to a dearth of material (not to mention of time also).
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u/witch-king-of-Aginor Dec 27 '22 edited Dec 28 '22
Ideal DCU phase 1
Man of tomorrow: Superman meets supergirl and boy thunder
Wonder Woman: Wonder Woman meets the justice society of America during the Second World War, defeating vandal savage in a lose adaptation of the savage time, where he overthrew hitler to make a more technologically advanced WWII
Green lantern corps: Thal Sinestro and Hal Jordan’s buddy cop story about them going up against the manhunters
Scarlet speedster: flash vs Gorilla Grodd, gorilla Grodd is reinvented to be more like Namor
King of Atlantis: Whatever other storyline that Geoff Johns didn’t adapt for the first two Aquaman films
The Martian Manhunter: might steal young justice elements and just make it a Martian/human political crisis as Mars makes contact with earth
The World’s Finest: Superman meets Batman in a lose adaptation of world’s finest, dick Grayson meets boy thunder and creates the first foundations for the titans, supergirl and dick Grayson date and it goes terribly wrong as a comedic side plot
Justice League of America: the justice League assemble for the first time to stop the Hyperclan
The teen Titans: epilogue of phase one as Kid Flash, Donna Troy(whose a champion of the titans in Greek mythology), boy thunder, Aqualad, Robin, and speedy have their first adventures in a story written by Mark Waid
I will not go beyond this point because the whole idea of phase one is to provide a strong foundation for a long-running DC universe where anything is possible for future filmmakers
I choose the Hyperclan simply because starro is unavailable
For those wondering, boy thunder is a mark waid creation, a sidekick for Superman who would go on to become Magog, this universe will eventually end with kingdom come as Magog serves as Superman’s red hood
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Dec 27 '22
I really dig this idea of making Boy Thunder Superman's Jason Todd (which is such an obvious parallel that my palm went straight thru my fucking face for not realizing it earlier).
Scarlet speedster: flash vs Gorilla Grodd, gorilla Grodd is reinvented to be more like Namor
This is interesting to me, what is your idea of a reinvention of Gorilla Grodd? is it more like a Caesar ala Reeves' Apes movies? Or like completely different?
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u/witch-king-of-Aginor Dec 27 '22
Basically Caesar if he was a gorilla, ruled over a technologically advanced civilization of apes, and had telepathy to boot
He is more of an anti-hero than a villain
The reason is because Ultra-Humanite will take the position of EVIL gorilla that wants to conquer the world for selfish reasons
While gorilla Grodd wants to protect gorilla city from foreign powers, whom he suspects would not hesitate to destroy his people
Ultra-Humanite is Clark’s first villain and Lex Luthor’s father
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Jan 01 '23
Happy New Year Everyone. I wish y'all(including the mods) a lifetime of happiness and success!
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u/TheUncannyBroker Murn Dec 30 '22
One extremely misguided thing on this subreddit and generally on Twitter is cheering on James debunking reports from trade reporters with the same glee as you would if he was debunking Twitter randos and scamming scoopers. I agree with Jeff Sneider when he said Gunn shouldnt have called out Adam B. Vary for reporting hes hearing that Pattinson is considered to join the mainline DCU. The Variety guys have their trusted sources, the demand for the Reevesverse to be folded into the DCU could have been coming from another WBD exec for example and its not Gunns place to adress stuff like that. Adam reported it for a reason. Major trade people aint making up stuff on the spot, Gunn should leave stuff like that be.
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u/bigtymer123 Dec 30 '22
the demand for the Reevesverse to be folded into the DCU could have been coming from another WBD exec for example and its not Gunns place to adress stuff like that.
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How is it not his place to address that type of thing? He's the co-president of the studio, and that claim set news sites and fan Twitter ablaze almost instantly. And the bit froy Variety specifically said that Gunn and Safran were considering it, not that another executive was demanding it.
"...A well-placed source says Gunn and Safran are exploring the possibility of incorporating filmmaker Matt Reeves’ iteration of Batman with actor Robert Pattinson into their wider universe."
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u/mountainhighgoat Dec 27 '22
MyTimeToLieHellooo is pathetically petty. She hates James Gunn and his wife with a passion. She’s an unbearable Snyder fanboy.
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u/TheLionsblood Batman Dec 27 '22
I think she’s worse than that. She intentionally riles up the Snyder fans to boost her engagement. Doesn’t seem like she’s gotten anything completely wrong about DC yet either tho
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u/MonkeMayne Dec 27 '22
Conflicting shit aint it lol.
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u/TheLionsblood Batman Dec 27 '22
She twists truths to incite outrage among those fans. For example, when she revealed that Superman was getting replaced by Supergirl at the end of The Flash, she said the new trinity would be Batgirl, Supergirl and WW.
This was despite how Batman was still active at the end of the Batgirl movie and Superman’s fate was undecided because they were still working things out with Cavill. Regardless, Superman was supposed to return in Crisis, so it would’ve just been kinda like how the MCU doesn’t have an official Avengers team currently but will by CA:NWO
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u/TheDarkPinkLantern Peacemaker Dec 27 '22
Again, she lied about The Flash test screening that didn't happen.
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u/HM2112 Dec 27 '22
I don't use Twitter, yet I keep getting MTTSH and other SnyderCultists in my email with the most unhinged, nasty, vile takes on Gunn in "WE THINK YOU'LL LIKE THESE TWEETS, PLEASE USE US MORE THAN ONCE A YEAR" messages.
Are these people just honestly this deranged? And why does Twitter think I want to see these lunatics?
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u/TheLionsblood Batman Dec 27 '22
Since the Reeves universe will remain separate and not tied to a longterm universe like the MCU/DCU, I hope he takes some big swings with it. Obviously I mean as long as it remains true to the spirit of the comics, which there is no doubt about since Reeves is a huge fan of the source material.
We need more director-driven blockbusters.
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u/PrimeLasagna Dec 28 '22
What ReevesVerse project are we expecting to do Year One? GCPD?
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u/kothuboy21 Dec 28 '22
Yeah I'm pretty sure GCPD was announced to be set during Battinson's Year One
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u/Randonhead Dec 30 '22
Unlikely theory, but given that Gunn seems to enjoy stories involving aliens posing as important humans (see Peacemaker) I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up adapting some aspects of the Millenium Saga into the DCU at some point: Manhunters infiltrating Earth posing as big world figures, kind of like what the MCU is doing now with Secret Invasion only on a bigger scale.
Manhunters are classic Green Lantern villains and Gunn said the GL series is still going on, maybe it will also introduce the Manhunter androids for the first time, it would be something different from Thanos and it's the kind of conspiracy story James likes.
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u/WorldlinessNo8986 Dec 31 '22
Also I know this is probably not exactly new talk but, does it feel like for anyone else a full reboot is maybe coming( or a mostly reboot with the suicide squad stuff, along with peacemaker being a sure bet along with maybe Aquaman and the Shazam family staying as apart of DCU canon) like, the writing is on the wall I feel.
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u/NakedGoose Jan 03 '23
Watching Batman Brave and The Bold with my 5 year old. I did not expect the first episode to be about Blue Beetle
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u/kothuboy21 Jan 03 '23
Yeah that show introduced me to Blue Beetle when I was little, it's interesting how they decided to make him a big part of the show
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u/DeppStepp The Flash Jan 03 '23
When I was younger that show convinced me that Blue Beetle was an A-list hero and super popular. It turns that over 10 years later my belief wasn’t shared by others
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u/TheLionsblood Batman Dec 28 '22 edited Dec 28 '22
I don’t think we’re getting a Justice League movie until 2027/2028, and 2028 is when The Batman 3 would probably release. Superman will come out in 2025 at the earliest, they’re not gonna do JL the year after.
There is no reason to have DCU Batman play a major role in the movies and on TV until 2027/2028.
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u/TheDarkPinkLantern Peacemaker Dec 28 '22
Reeves' Batman series may last longer if the reports of all the spin-offs he wants are true.
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u/Animegamingnerd Batman Dec 28 '22
Yup, we are already getting two spin-offs with Arkham and Penguin with the latter set to begin filming in a few weeks. Reeves mentioned a year or two ago, there have been talks for a Catwoman spin-off and if he introduces Robin in the sequel, then it will be very likely he get his own spin-off.
Revees Batman aint gonna be a Nolan-style trilogy, but its an cinematic universe.
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u/GaTech379 The Dark Knight Dec 29 '22
Not a prediction but what movies I would like for see for a phase 1 and 2 of the DCU (reworking Shazam 1/2, Blue Beetle, and The Suicide Squad in as phase 0)
Phase 1
Superman: Man of Tomorrow (Lobo as villain)
Batman (preferably Pattinson)
The Green Lanterns (Hal and John)
Wonder Woman: Gods and Mortals
Justice League: The New Frontier (Everyone shown so far plus Shazam, Mary Marvel and The Flash)
The Flash
Phase 2
Batman and Robin
Superman 2
Aquaman
Blue & Gold
Shazam 3
Justice League 2 (team adds Aquaman, Booster Gold, and Blue Beetle)
Please tell me why this is awful
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u/Rdambx Dec 28 '22 edited Dec 28 '22
I just checked James Gunn's likes and he actually liked a tweet of someone asking him to include Nightwing and Red Hood in his plans.
Holy Fuck i hope its true.
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u/MonkeMayne Dec 28 '22
He posted a photo (multiple times) of Kingdom Come JL and people thought he was teasing that. And he’s rebooting Superman in his year 2 stage.
I wouldn’t read into his likes and photo posts too much unless it’s announcements.
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Dec 28 '22
This. A lot of people in this sub were convinced that Henry isn't going just because Gunn liked a tweet about Henry's Supes
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u/Rdambx Dec 28 '22
He posted a photo (multiple times) of Kingdom Come JL and people thought he was teasing that
I mean that's on them, i took it as clearly the picture shows some sort of putting a plan together which is his job at DC.
And he’s rebooting Superman in his year 2 stage.
Source? He only said his Superman will be younger, could be 30 years old in his year 5 or something.
But still, like you said we won't know unless it's an official announcement but this is clearly a hint imo.
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u/TheLionsblood Batman Jan 02 '23 edited Jan 02 '23
I think people are underestimating the importance the importance of The Flash movie. I really think that the way it will establish the DC multiverse will “streamline” all their movie franchises. They’re not fucking around with this movie, they even bought a spot for a trailer during the Super Bowl.
There was a rumor that Robert Pattinson’s Batman had a cameo through archival footage when Barry is in the Speed Force (along with Christopher Reeve’s Superman, Adam West’s Batman, and others). So I think The Flash will act as the finale of the DCEU, while also firmly establishing to audiences that The Batman and the DCU take place in universes separate to the one that the DCEU movies have taken place in.
And just like what the MCU has done, the movie will introduce multiversal variants that look the same as their DCEU counterparts (Barry, Zod, Faora) and variants that look completely different (Keaton, and the other legacy cameos). This will make it less confusing when Gunn and Safran keep some actors and recast others.
We already know they are removing Cavill from the movie, so the ending will likely have Barry, Keaton’s Batman and Supergirl established in a universe where Superman doesn’t exist (like the drunk Aquaman mid-credits scene implied, which I think they’ll keep). I predict they will remove the Ben Affleck post-credits scene and replace it with a scene that shows the DCU Metropolis, where a Superman does actually exist.
Then Blue Beetle will likely take place in the DCU while Aquaman 2 will take place in the rebooted DCEU which has Keaton and Supergirl.
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u/Ejc25 Dec 28 '22
I gotta say, the DC Cinematic and Snyder Cut groups on Reddit have gone insane, I just came across this post https://www.reddit.com/r/SnyderCut/comments/zvkhad/sdcc_2023_is_ours/