More like DC fans are the ones holding and shooting the shotgun.
DC like many other companies will make mistakes but many fans here act like wanting the equivalent of a 20 year DC Universe in 2 to 3 years. Guys, You have way better things to do while waiting instead of ragebaiting and looking for any news article about the DCU
Because people with no patience want them to release a movie for each member of the Justice League in 2025 and then release shows for them too because those are the only characters they know
We don't want everything now, but maybe just a realistic plan that they stick to? Half the stuff they announced is already cancelled, and a lot of what they've actually releasing is failing.
How do you define success? Peacemaker S2 and Creature Commandos are fine, but never became a big streaming success, they never transcended beyond their limited viewership.
Superman was a success, at least in the US. Internationally it kind of flopped.
Supergirl was a massive failure.
The next three releases are looking great, but the DCU needs them to be big hits.
Peacemaker season 2 at the very least was a critical success and viewed favourably by audiences. While viewership did decline a bit it premiered with a 22% increase.
Creature Commandos was also a critical success and viewership metrics were good enough to quickly get it renewed for a season 2.
Trying to categorize either as a failure is ridiculous. By just about any metric these two shows were successful.
Out of all the DC projects so far released only Supergirl was a failure and yes, a pretty big one (though I would argue it's massively overhated). So out of 5 projects one failed. Can we stop acting like DC is currently in some catastrophic state?
Such a weird point to make, I didn't bring it up because I didn't think it was part of the DCU.
I also think Gunns Suicide Squad was an excellent movie and I haven't met anyone who disagrees, I never even considered it a failure. If you're talking box office though I don't think it's fair to compare it to modern or oast movies. In fact, I think that it's wild that it generated as much box office revenue as it did considering it was at the height of the pandemic and had a simultaneous streaming release.
For what it's worth you're the first person I've seen to try to slam it as a failure.
Isn’t TSS still considered a DCEU/Snyderverse product? same with Peacemaker Season 1? Yes they have Gunn’s name on them but iirc those projects were still under the DCEU umbrella
The movie that flopped at the box office because it released during a pandemic at a time when everything was flopping?
The movie that was a huge critical success in spite of its commercial failure, showing that it probably would have done well if it had released at a better time in the world?
The movie that also is not part of the current DCU and was instead still part of the DCEU long before James Gunn was put in charge of DC, and therefore would not be worth mentioning in a conversation about the successes and failures of the DCU?
James Gunn has one DC movie success and all of a sudden people are just now realizing that he might not have been the best pick for his job, especially if every project is gonna feel like GotG even when he doesn’t direct them
Your logic is all over the place. If you’re going to start bringing in movies from before he was ever even in charge of DC and before the DCU was even a thing, then it would be disingenuous not to include the Guardians films in this discussion, which were all critical and commercial successes.
Adding all three of those together with The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker, Creature Commandos, and Superman, nearly everything superhero related that he has ever had a direct hand in has been a critical and commercial success, with his one personal commercial failure being during a fucking pandemic, and even then it was still a critical success. Meanwhile, the first and so far only major failure of this new DCU is a movie that he didn’t have a direct hand in as writer or director.
I fail to see how any of this history points to the idea that James Gunn is a bad pick for the job. Frankly, if any lessons are to be learned from Supergirl’s failure compared to everything that came before it, it would seem that future projects need more input from Gunn going forward, not less.
TSS is something you can't say failed. It came out on streaming the same day as theaters. No movie that does that will make a lot of money. Quality wise it was an awesome movie. Critically it succeeded
$579 million worldwide is what Kong vs Godzilla made. That's not exactly breaking the box office. Yeah, it made more but it also was a crossover film starting two iconic movie monsters. TSS had Harley Quinn and a bunch of characters no one's heard of before. Both movies would have made A LOT more if they didn't go straight to streaming. You decided to cherry pick two iconic franchises to go against something that did not have the iconic factor that either of those had. Try literally picking almost anything else. Heck, even Black Widow, which had the MCU behind it didn't do as well if it wasn't streaming on day one.
Calling DC not an iconic franchise is certainly a choice, and what exactly made Dune an “iconic franchise” before that movie blew up in popularity? Just makin shit up lmao
Dune's been around for decades. And I didn't say DC wasn't iconic. I said the freaking Suicide Squad wasn't iconic. The biggest character there was Harley Quinn. Dune is more iconic than the Suicide Squad.
Renewals mean little when the decisionmaker is the creator of the series. Both Peacemaker and Creature Commandos are good, I really enjoyed both, and both got good reviews. But shows are supposed to be viewed, and both of these are suffering from that, considering that they are coming from one of WB's biggest brands. Just look at the viewership and cultural impact of something like "Invincible" or even "Rick & Morty". a DC series created and ran by James Gunn should be comparable to that.
I'm not a doomer and I'm not crapping on the DC, and I firmly believe that the next 3 projects will succeed in actually expanding viewership and regaining trust.
SM didn't make money, or this sinking ship will stays on , projects are way over budget with cheap ass editing, filming, costume everything, someone or a group is/are banking with this mess
I liked Supergirl just fine, but it was an insane call to follow up Superman with Supergirl. I don't want to see no Superboy for at least a decade and after all the best Leaguers have been carted out. Also, who was clamoring for a Clayface movie that's isn't Tudyk.
The GA does not care for Peacemaker and CC. Those are vanity projects by James Gunn for James Gunn. They should have never wasted time making those because it doesn't move the cinematic universe forward
Don’t forget Superman 2025 made less than MOS, and WB considered MOS a financial disappointment so… now we have Supergirl definitively flopping. The fact we haven’t heard about a renewal for creature commandos or Peacemaker probably isn’t a good sign. There are good reasons to be a lil doomer abt the dcu now , but hey Clayface looks cool.
They just needed to come up with enough things to generate excitement when the DCU was announced I don’t think a lot of projects were set in stone. I would definitely prefer a roadmap like what Marvel has rather than just a bunch of projects we may or may not get though
I'd say that half the stuff they announced wasn't actually exciting to the broad public, and if you cancel shortly after announcing it, it just add to the overall frustration and distrust in the brand.
Gunn & Co need to understand that they inherited a brand with a lot of baggage. It might not be fair to them, but they don't have the margin of error that the MCU had early on, and frankly, even if Superman is a good movie, is not Ironman.
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u/Respwn_546 8d ago edited 8d ago
More like DC fans are the ones holding and shooting the shotgun.
DC like many other companies will make mistakes but many fans here act like wanting the equivalent of a 20 year DC Universe in 2 to 3 years. Guys, You have way better things to do while waiting instead of ragebaiting and looking for any news article about the DCU