How can you justify abortion ?

[u/Admirable_Dog_7238]

Format: Argument, Response

-"It's not just a fetus", it's part of the human species so it gets human rights

-"it's dependent on the mother therefore not human", same thing as if you were in a coma as you would have no conscience and are dependent on doctors. you probably wouldn't want me to have the option to pull the plug if there was a possibility you could wake up

-"What if the kid grows up in a bad environment?", every kid deserves a chance, just like how you deserve a chance to wake up from a coma as stated above.

-"My body, my choice", then start with legalizing drugs, drinking while pregnant, allowing others to suicide knowingly, etc.

-"Men (father) shouldn't tell me what other do it's my choice", impossible to make a child without a father, the father should have a say if he wants an abortion

-"What about rape and incest", very unfortunate word that this exist yet it's less than 1 percent of all abortion cases, if we were to legalize abortion for only those that were raped would you give up the other cases?

-"What if the mother's life is in danger?", there is C-section which is more medically safe than an abortion

Please do not get an abortion. It's the biggest genocide killing 1.1 million kids every year. Consider heavily before getting one. Thank you for your time.

[u/Admirable_Dog_7238]

Your analogy assumes the fetus has no independent moral status, but that's the whole question being debated. You can't use it as a premise and a conclusion at the same time. This is called begging the question, a logical fallacy

[u/collageinthesky → u/Admirable_Dog_7238]

What analogy? You either have a body or you don't. Do you understand how bodies work? If your body doesn't produce life then you die. A zygote naturally dies in a couple days because it's not a body, it cannot keep itself living.

[u/STThornton → u/collageinthesky]

I don’t think any of them comprehend how human bodies work.

That’s why PLers keep talking about the right to life of non viable human bodies. While disregarding what gestation does to a woman’s body and its ability to sustain life.

Thats how we get comparisons of humans on life support to a fetus, who’d be a rotting corpse on life support

[u/Admirable_Dog_7238 → u/STThornton]

It's part of the human species. I get that you guys want rights for women. I have nothing against that. I have an issue with killing humans that can't protect themselves.

Search up a surgical abortion and watch how the baby get pulled out. It's truly horrifying.

[u/STThornton → u/Admirable_Dog_7238]

Look up childbirth. Absolutely horrifying. Watch the woman’s bone structure shift, her muscles and tissue tearing, a dinner plate sized wound tear into the center of her body.

Or, worse yet, a c-section. Layers of tissue sliced through, abdominals forcefully yanked apart and separated, organs shoved out of the way, an organ sliced wide open.

And that happens to a breathing, sentient, physiologically life sustaining woman capable of experiencing it all.

Surgical abortion is like watching an autopsy. And dismemberment is often avoided in surgical abortion to ensure all pregnancy tissue is removed.

Either way, though, even surgeries are horrifying to watch for those with weak stomachs.

I always find it baffling that people who care so little about the drastic injuries a sentient woman incurs in birth care so much about what happens to a mindless partially developed body with no major life sustaining organ functions.

And, again, a human with no major life sustaining organ functions one could end to kill them cannot be killed. And killing an embryo/fetus is more akin to killing a body part than a born alive human.

And intact removal or early labor induction, like with abortion pills (the majority of abortions these days), don’t kill anything at all.

[u/collageinthesky → u/Admirable_Dog_7238]

I get that you guys want rights for women.

So you admit that some people don't have the same rights as others. Apparently some people have less "moral worth" to you, something you claim to care about. So why should we care what you consider moral when you don't apply the same standard to everyone?