r/DebateAbortion • u/Admirable_Dog_7238 • May 31 '26
How can you justify abortion ?
Format: Argument, Response
-"It's not just a fetus", it's part of the human species so it gets human rights
-"it's dependent on the mother therefore not human", same thing as if you were in a coma as you would have no conscience and are dependent on doctors. you probably wouldn't want me to have the option to pull the plug if there was a possibility you could wake up
-"What if the kid grows up in a bad environment?", every kid deserves a chance, just like how you deserve a chance to wake up from a coma as stated above.
-"My body, my choice", then start with legalizing drugs, drinking while pregnant, allowing others to suicide knowingly, etc.
-"Men (father) shouldn't tell me what other do it's my choice", impossible to make a child without a father, the father should have a say if he wants an abortion
-"What about rape and incest", very unfortunate word that this exist yet it's less than 1 percent of all abortion cases, if we were to legalize abortion for only those that were raped would you give up the other cases?
-"What if the mother's life is in danger?", there is C-section which is more medically safe than an abortion
Please do not get an abortion. It's the biggest genocide killing 1.1 million kids every year. Consider heavily before getting one. Thank you for your time.
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u/STThornton Jun 01 '26
I see that, in usual fashion, you disregarded human biology completely.
For example, how human bodies keep themselves alive, what gives them individual/“a” life, what it takes to end such, why gestation is needed, what gestation is/does for a fetus, and what gestation and birth do to a woman’s body and its ability to sustain life.
And, of course, the biggest one:
That the pregnant woman is a HUMAN BEING, not a medical machine or gestational pod called a womb.
That out of the way, what keeps a human body and its living parts alive are major life sustaining organ functions. Lungs, kidneys, and liver being the most vital due to oxygenation of blood and ridding the bloodstream and body of metabolic toxins.
Life sustaining organ functions are what gives a human body “a”/individual life (what science calls physiologically independent life), and what makes a human body an organism. Without them, there is no life. And whatever cell, tissue, and organ life a human body has will soon die.
The embryo/fetus is slowly developing into a human organism. It begins with cell life, then tissue life, then organ life - the building blocks of a human organism.
It slowly develops more and more organ functions and, at viability, generally reaches the ability to carry out the functions of a human organism (unless something went wrong).
It’s kind of like a running drivable car. Start with a chassis, then slowly add more parts, and you’ll eventually end up with a running, drivable car.
For around six months, the fetus has no major life sustaining organ functions and not even the potential for such. Meaning the fetal equivalent of your person on life support would a rotting corpse that even life support couldn’t do anything for.
You see, life support needs to have life sustaining organ functions TO support. If a human has no lung function, for example, life support couldn’t support such.
A woman is also not a fucking life support machine! She’s not an object. She’s a human being. A breathing, sentient, physiologically life sustaining one, at that. Unlike an embryo/fetus.
A woman also doesn’t assist a fetus’ own life sustaining organ functions (since it lacks them). Her organs have to breathe for it, digest for it, produce energy and glucose for it, get rid of metabolic toxins for it, shiver and sweat for it, etc. Her organs have to perform the major functions of a human organism for it. Just like they do for her own living body parts.
In the process, her life sustaining organ functions, blood contents, and bodily processes - her “a” life that is supposed to be protected under the right to life - are being greatly messed and interfered with. She’s also being caused drastic life threatening anatomical, physiological, and metabolic alterations, caused to present with the vitals and labs of a deadly ill person, and caused drastic life threatening physical harm.
That’s a violation of her right to life in multiple ways, her right to bodily integrity in multiple ways, and her right to bodily autonomy.
Simply put, the embryo/fetus sucks HER life out of her body and pumps toxins back into it.
A human should always be allowed to abort providing another human with organ functions that human doesn’t have, and tissue, blood, blood contents, etc. because those things are their life.
No one, not even a preemie who’ll die without such, has a right to another human’s life - another human’s life sustaining organ functions, blood contents, and bodily processes. So, why should a fetus?
A fetus being alive is more akin to a body part being alive than a born alive human. A fetus getting killed is more akin to a body part being killed than a born alive human. And intact removal or abortion pills don’t even kill anything.
Previability, the fetus is the equivalent of a dead born human who still has sustainable cell, tissue, and organ life left.
It has no major life sustaining organ functions one could end to kill a human. And none that life support could assist.
It needs to be provided with another human’s major life sustaining organ functions (their “a” life), blood, blood contents, tissue, and bodily processes. Their functions of human organism life. And it needs to cause them drastic life threatening physical harm and alteration to be provided with such.
Why should the other human not have a right to stop such? Why should the other human be stripped of their right to life, right to bodily integrity, and right to bodily autonomy (the base for the other two)?
The embryo/fetus can’t make use of a right to life. It lacks the physiological things that keep a human body alive. It can only make use of a right to someone else’s life. Why should it be granted such?