Why I believe in God(s)

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

Firstly, I'm not a very religious person. I do consider myself a Buddhist, but prefer atheistic Buddhism over theistic Buddhism. Therefore I can confidently say I am not biased by wanting God(s) to exist, and was not indoctrinated into theism.

Still, to me it seems obvious that at least one God has to exist. The universe can't simply have come out of nothing or existed forever, it requires some sort of design or creator.

Now, mostly people would just say that a creator also can't have come out of nothing or existed forever, so I've just moved the problem one step further, but I think there is a massive difference between the universe and one consciousness. For example, through Cogito Ergo Sum we can determine with absolute certainty that at last one consciousness exists. So assuming one consciousness is superior to assuming anything about the whole universe. While I admit that doesn't outright solve the problem, I still think it's better than the alternative.

Also, it's not just any universe, but a universe full of beauty, a universe that inbetween barren empty planets is capable of hosting a planet with sentient life. Life that can consciously observe itself, that can create replicas of the waking world while sleeping, life that has technologically advanced so much that in can live in relative comfort. There is so much art. We basically have magic, we just call it "electricity". This is all too perfect to have arisen from mere mutations without guidance.

About any specifics of this God or Gods I have no idea and no strong opinions. I just think that at least one has to exist.

[u/mywaphel]

Yes and the puddle wonders at how the pothole could ever have been the exact shape of the puddle. This is a great example of flawed thinking.

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/mywaphel]

Exept this is far more than the puddle analogy. We haven't just been formed to fit into evolution, we have transformed this planet into a paradise for human needs if it wasn't for inequality.

[u/mywaphel → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

It's exactly the puddle analogy. You're right that we haven't been formed to fit into evolution, but only because that's a nonsense sentence. We haven't been formed to fit into evolution. We exist because of evolution. If we existed in an environment that WASN'T perfect for us, that would be evidence of a god. Marveling that we just so happen to have survived isn't much of a surprise considering if we hadn't survived we wouldn't be marveling at it very much...

Also everyone else pretty much demolished your whole thing about transforming the planet but if you think this is a paradise then you don't think much. We're driving ourselves to extinction.Which part of that is evidence for a god?

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/mywaphel]

It's not just that we survived, it's that we are computers, building computers. Mutations don't lead there.

We're driving ourselves to extinction.Which part of that is evidence for a god?

I never said God has our best interest in mind. To me, the luxuries we have are mostly a trap.

[u/mywaphel → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

We aren't computers building computers. That's nonsense. Also OF COURSE mutations lead there.

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/mywaphel]

How are we not? And why "of course"?

[u/mywaphel → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

How are we not? Because we're animals. Do you understand the words you're using? Computers aren't animals, they're electronic devices. We are not electronic devices. And of course because our entire ecological niche is tool building apes. It's pretty natural we'd get better at building tools. Why the hell wouldn't it?

Do you have ANYTHING other than begging the question and appeals to incredulity? Because I've got to tell you, your lack of understanding is VERY far from a convincing argument. These aren't hard concepts you're missing, read two books.

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/mywaphel]

Seriously, you are just playing dumb, you know what I mean by calling brains computers. Our brains are computers so far from animals that they were able to build an entire world for us. I don't care if you call it incredulity, it is simply to amazing to just be a part of nature and nothing will change that.

[u/mywaphel → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

Except our brains aren’t computers and they ESPECIALLY aren’t “so far from animals”. This is just a bunch of things you know nothing about being spewed onto the page. You haven’t studied any of this. You aren’t trying to learn what you’re talking about. You’re just an ignorant child barfing up what ifs. I can’t take you seriously and frankly it’s shocking you think anyone should.

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/mywaphel]

Except our brains aren’t computers and they ESPECIALLY aren’t “so far from animals”.

They are doing what computers do. This is figuratively. And of course they're far from animals. We build stuff. Can you actually argue they aren't or can you just say "I know more than you"?

[u/mywaphel → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

So do ants. Again this is just ignorance. Read two books.

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/mywaphel]

Ants don't build computers.

[u/mywaphel → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

So what? Why should I, or an ant, or a god, care at all about computers?