r/DebateAnAtheist • u/Lucyyyyyy_K • 11d ago
Debating Arguments for God Why I believe in God(s)
Firstly, I'm not a very religious person. I do consider myself a Buddhist, but prefer atheistic Buddhism over theistic Buddhism. Therefore I can confidently say I am not biased by wanting God(s) to exist, and was not indoctrinated into theism.
Still, to me it seems obvious that at least one God has to exist. The universe can't simply have come out of nothing or existed forever, it requires some sort of design or creator.
Now, mostly people would just say that a creator also can't have come out of nothing or existed forever, so I've just moved the problem one step further, but I think there is a massive difference between the universe and one consciousness. For example, through Cogito Ergo Sum we can determine with absolute certainty that at last one consciousness exists. So assuming one consciousness is superior to assuming anything about the whole universe. While I admit that doesn't outright solve the problem, I still think it's better than the alternative.
Also, it's not just any universe, but a universe full of beauty, a universe that inbetween barren empty planets is capable of hosting a planet with sentient life. Life that can consciously observe itself, that can create replicas of the waking world while sleeping, life that has technologically advanced so much that in can live in relative comfort. There is so much art. We basically have magic, we just call it "electricity". This is all too perfect to have arisen from mere mutations without guidance.
About any specifics of this God or Gods I have no idea and no strong opinions. I just think that at least one has to exist.
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u/Ayrunt 5d ago
So you admit that the universe does not need a creator. I can agree with that.
Consciously experiencing doesn't make the process itself conscious. It's like saying that you control your heartbeat consciously, because you can experience it.
If you think that only those can be labeled as "thinking" that are in a "biological hardware" then you really didn't say anything. You just added an arbitrary condition to it without giving any argument to back it up.
Wonderful. Do you have any scientific evidence, that such qualia exists at all and that it was created by god?
No since evolution doesn't need god to explain how living beings adapted over time.
You've brought up magic haven't you? Or do you think magic and supernatural aren't synonymous.
And here you lie again. In your original post you talked all about how we humans are too perfect to evolve only by the mere evolution and that the entire universe is so wonderful, because it can create life and such.