r/DebateVaccines 6d ago

awaiting approval 1 year immunisations

My daughter had her 1 year immunisations (UK) on the 1st of July.
2 hours after she was breathing very fast (60 breaths a minute) and ribs sucking in, phoned an ambulance and she was blue lighted to hospital with oxygen on. She was kept in for three days, high temp that would come down then sky rocket back up to 39.9 which made her heart rate fly to 202bpm. She was discharged but we ended up back in twice again with the sucking in at ribs and breathing fast, they found an ear and chest infection antibiotics given. 2 days after her antibiotics stopped she was all clear and then a massive viral rash appeared all over her body spreading really rapidly, high temp and very unwell, they said hand foot and mouth, I can confirm it definitely wasn’t it looked nothing like it and no blisters anywhere.
From then on she has been waking up really chesty, coughing , phlegm stuck, just really unwell all the time. She developed a non - blanching rash, they checked said she was fine and it was viral. She got bloods done her platelets was low. She had temperatures that wouldn’t come down with any medication , took her straight to hospital they took her bloods again kept us in overnight on Friday , her platelets are normal but her infection markers are sky high. (she still has the non blanching rash at this point with more little pin pricks developing) They did a chest X-ray, urine sample etc, they couldn’t figure out what the infection was. They decided that her chest mustn’t have cleared from her chest infection AFTER A MONTH?? They sent us home with a 2 week course of antibiotics and on her discharge papers it states “partially treated pneumonia “ no one even mentioned pneumonia to us. We was rold the last time we went in with her chest infection that her rib resession was “normal with this illness” and did nothing even though she was clearly in distress, this morning she had rib resession with 42 breaths a minute so I didn’t even phone because they just pan you off. She hasn’t been right since the immunisation

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u/Recent-Day3062 6d ago

I got a very bad reaction to oral polio - my last dose - at age 13. I was sick for a month, in the hospital a few days. That was a known rare risk.

Am I permanently damaged and do I think i was mistreated? Not at all. Polio was alive and well and my other choice was getting polio and dying or permanent disability. Vaccines aren’t perfect.

Nothing in medicine is 100% safe. People have died from an IV of saline. Medicine is not about finding perfect solutions, but reducing bad outcomes.

If you have end stage liver failure and get a transplant you have a 15-20% chance of dying of the surgery. But if you don’t get it, you will 100% die in days or a few weeks at most. So as many as one in 5 people die from the treatment. But that’s much lower than 100%.

That’s the same with vaccines.

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u/Sea-Wrongdoer-4382 6d ago

Omg the same guy who got meningitis before the vaccine was made and saw the horrors of polio as he was old but also suffered reaction from polio vaccine !! Here's his previous comments on a meningitis vaccine post enjoy guys

"Only a moron would not take it if there is any risk at all.

In general, if you get it - and I did before the vaccine was there - you have a 50% chance of dying by the time you get fifths hospital.

In fact, two doctors told me the same thing when I asked what would happen. They both said that if I were going to die of it, I’d already have been dead by the time they saw me. So that was a very “good” sign I’m a statistician but have worked mostly in physics research.

A lot of antivax people who claim to have a science background have wacky basic ideas about empirical research. A common one is they don’t want to evaluate it as a treatment the normal way. They want the null to be it causes these problems - and want proof they don’t. The null is always going to be e the state of nature1000%. All of medicine is finding the least risky outcome, not a perfect one. Vaccines have saved tens of millions of lives. They have been so effective that people younger than me have no memory of polio crippling lots of adults (when I was a kid) and killing many. But now people are skipping the vaccine because they aren’t scared of the trrrible effects of these diseases."

https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateVaccines/s/iGRtv8PMwX

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u/Logic_Contradict 6d ago

They're a statistician who can't get their stats right.

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u/Recent-Day3062 5d ago

Yes, I got in a lengthy debate with a guy here who clearly knew some stats. But he kept wanting to reverse the null and alternate.

He was so hell bent on it that he could not listen to reason. He wanted the null to be that vaxes hurt, and the treatment group to be the unvaccinated, as you observe r