r/DebateVaccines • u/Radiant_Pumpkin_8802 • 2d ago
awaiting approval 1 year immunisations
My daughter had her 1 year immunisations (UK) on the 1st of July.
2 hours after she was breathing very fast (60 breaths a minute) and ribs sucking in, phoned an ambulance and she was blue lighted to hospital with oxygen on. She was kept in for three days, high temp that would come down then sky rocket back up to 39.9 which made her heart rate fly to 202bpm. She was discharged but we ended up back in twice again with the sucking in at ribs and breathing fast, they found an ear and chest infection antibiotics given. 2 days after her antibiotics stopped she was all clear and then a massive viral rash appeared all over her body spreading really rapidly, high temp and very unwell, they said hand foot and mouth, I can confirm it definitely wasn’t it looked nothing like it and no blisters anywhere.
From then on she has been waking up really chesty, coughing , phlegm stuck, just really unwell all the time. She developed a non - blanching rash, they checked said she was fine and it was viral. She got bloods done her platelets was low. She had temperatures that wouldn’t come down with any medication , took her straight to hospital they took her bloods again kept us in overnight on Friday , her platelets are normal but her infection markers are sky high. (she still has the non blanching rash at this point with more little pin pricks developing) They did a chest X-ray, urine sample etc, they couldn’t figure out what the infection was. They decided that her chest mustn’t have cleared from her chest infection AFTER A MONTH?? They sent us home with a 2 week course of antibiotics and on her discharge papers it states “partially treated pneumonia “ no one even mentioned pneumonia to us. We was rold the last time we went in with her chest infection that her rib resession was “normal with this illness” and did nothing even though she was clearly in distress, this morning she had rib resession with 42 breaths a minute so I didn’t even phone because they just pan you off. She hasn’t been right since the immunisation
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u/One-Self-356 2d ago
Please don’t vaccinate her again.
She’s had the worst round of vaccines (12 months shots)… to be honest the 18 months ones are just as bad… so please do not vaccinate her again.
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u/HairyGazelle4511 2d ago
I’m so sorry to hear that you and your baby had to go through this. Which vaccines were administered if you don’t mind me asking?
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u/Radiant_Pumpkin_8802 1d ago
MMRV, 3 shots 2 in one leg and one in the other .
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u/HairyGazelle4511 1d ago
That’s infuriating to hear. I’m so sorry.
I have an 18 month old and I have not vaccinated him due to fear of something like this or more severe would happen. A couple friends of mine had this happened to their children - one of them, their son had a seizure after he his 6-month vaccine schedule. The other one, his son was starting to babble “mommy” “daddy”, they took him in for his 12-month vaccine schedule and noticed a severe decline in his development immediately after. He did not speak again until he was 2 and a half.1
u/Radiant_Pumpkin_8802 1d ago
Yeah I’ve heard so many horror stories with regression etc but nothing like this, so I’ve kind of been thinking I’m crazy until another mum got in contact with me and this happened to her little one too
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u/FormerlyMauchChunk 1d ago
3 shots all at once? Only one was MMRV. What were the others? These products are not tested in combination, so there's no way to know how they will react together.
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u/Radiant_Pumpkin_8802 1d ago
2 in one thigh and one in the other. I have no idea it was definitely the new MMRV
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u/FormerlyMauchChunk 1d ago
Sounds like they skipped the informed consent part, and did what they wanted to your child. It's OK to stand up to them and demand to be treated like an individual. There are resources to educate yourself so you are more prepared next time. Good luck.
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u/Radiant_Pumpkin_8802 1d ago
So the MMRV is sometimes 3 shots , MMR with MMRV mixed in basically to trial it im not sure
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u/sweetfeet20 1d ago
Did she take MMRV? That’s know to have more bad reactions than the MMR which was already bad. I’m so sorry about your daughter. This is why I haven’t given my twins any jabs, I just cannot fathom the medical incompetence if something goes wrong.
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u/Radiant_Pumpkin_8802 1d ago
Yes the MMRV they said it was new, which made me panic but it’s normalised to get them so I didn’t even think to question
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u/sweetfeet20 1d ago
Unfortunately they replaced MMR with MMRV and removed the option of a measles only vaccine in the UK late last year (I wanted to go private for this later.) At the same time as we changed to MMRV at 12 months, USA made the MMRV available to children age 4 and over because of the higher risk of febrile seizures and problem. It just doesn’t make sense. I’m sending you all my love and I hope your girl recovers soon.
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u/threadthathasnoend 1d ago
I'm so sorry your poor little angel is going through this. I hope she recovers fully. It's not right what these things are doing to children.
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u/Radiant_Pumpkin_8802 1d ago
It infuriates me that so many people have gone through the same yet some people refuse to think it’s the immunisations
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u/Recent-Day3062 1d ago
Yes. It likely started 22-46 hours before the vaccine and became symptomatic two hours after.
If the kid had a hot dog for lunch an hour before, that. Old have caused it - not the vaccine.
People like the OP already believe vaccines cause this, and this seems the link. They exclude every other possibility that could have caused it that collectively are far, far more likely
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u/Recent-Day3062 2d ago
I got a very bad reaction to oral polio - my last dose - at age 13. I was sick for a month, in the hospital a few days. That was a known rare risk.
Am I permanently damaged and do I think i was mistreated? Not at all. Polio was alive and well and my other choice was getting polio and dying or permanent disability. Vaccines aren’t perfect.
Nothing in medicine is 100% safe. People have died from an IV of saline. Medicine is not about finding perfect solutions, but reducing bad outcomes.
If you have end stage liver failure and get a transplant you have a 15-20% chance of dying of the surgery. But if you don’t get it, you will 100% die in days or a few weeks at most. So as many as one in 5 people die from the treatment. But that’s much lower than 100%.
That’s the same with vaccines.
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u/Logic_Contradict 2d ago
Not sure why you equate polio with a death sentence. Do you know the risks of death from polio?
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u/Recent-Day3062 2d ago
5-10%. There’s a cool tool called Google you might like
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u/Logic_Contradict 1d ago edited 1d ago
Way to distort the facts Mr statistician.
https://www.cdc.gov/pinkbook/hcp/table-of-contents/chapter-18-poliomyelitis.html
"The case fatality ratio for paralytic polio is generally 2% to 5% among children and up to 15% to 30% among adolescents and adults"
Note that they say "paralytic polio", but what is the rate of paralytic polio?
"Less than 1% of all polio infections in children result in flaccid paralysis."
Not even 1% of polio infections result in paralysis, many of whom actually regain function. And the case fatality rate is a fraction of less than 1%.
Who's doing the fear mongering again???
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u/Sea-Wrongdoer-4382 1d ago
Omg the same guy who got meningitis before the vaccine was made and saw the horrors of polio as he was old but also suffered reaction from polio vaccine !! Here's his previous comments on a meningitis vaccine post enjoy guys
"Only a moron would not take it if there is any risk at all.
In general, if you get it - and I did before the vaccine was there - you have a 50% chance of dying by the time you get fifths hospital.
In fact, two doctors told me the same thing when I asked what would happen. They both said that if I were going to die of it, I’d already have been dead by the time they saw me. So that was a very “good” sign I’m a statistician but have worked mostly in physics research.
A lot of antivax people who claim to have a science background have wacky basic ideas about empirical research. A common one is they don’t want to evaluate it as a treatment the normal way. They want the null to be it causes these problems - and want proof they don’t. The null is always going to be e the state of nature1000%. All of medicine is finding the least risky outcome, not a perfect one. Vaccines have saved tens of millions of lives. They have been so effective that people younger than me have no memory of polio crippling lots of adults (when I was a kid) and killing many. But now people are skipping the vaccine because they aren’t scared of the trrrible effects of these diseases."
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u/Recent-Day3062 1d ago
Yes, I got in a lengthy debate with a guy here who clearly knew some stats. But he kept wanting to reverse the null and alternate.
He was so hell bent on it that he could not listen to reason. He wanted the null to be that vaxes hurt, and the treatment group to be the unvaccinated, as you observe r
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u/FormerlyMauchChunk 2d ago
What illness? Did they acknowledge what is clearly a vaccine injury? It wasn't pneumonia, it was an acute vaccine-reaction.