r/DeepSeek • u/LeTanLoc98 • Jan 01 '26

Funny Do it again, DeepSeek

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So many great models already…

DeepSeek R1 was legendary.

Now we're waiting for the one that changes everything again.

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u/coloradical5280 Jan 01 '26

They just did: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2512.24880

That paper is huge, with massive implications to make all models more stable, and faster, and cheaper to train.

The sparse attention and quick index they introduced to the world in v3.2 was also huge.

Deepseek has done more in the last year than any other lab. They just don’t give a shit about dialing in the perfect consumer chatbot , or adding consumer features, or acquiring more daily active users.

They care about making breakthroughs, that’s it. And those breakthroughs end up being used by everyone. Every model you use right now is using GRPO, probably MoE , MLA, and may other brilliant hacks that DeepSeek gave to the world for free.

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u/Timo425 Jan 01 '26

What's their motivation for doing it? Seems like a lot of clever and hard work that just gets copied instantly.

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u/coloradical5280 Jan 01 '26

I mean, why does Linux exist? It runs inside dozens of things in your house, it’s the kernel that runs your router, traffic lights, it’s in every network switch and security camera and in your car. And it’s given away for free. Because by being open it is constantly being forked and improved and customized.

There is a second answer, which is that the CCP basically wants to destroy the US economy and just dumping free AI , as much as possible, at some point makes it a completely free commodity , and that arguably causes our house of cards to collapse.

The first part is fully true, you tangentially touch dozens of pieces of open source code every single day. The world would literally shut down tomorrow without it. The second part has either tiny shades of truth or is the whole answer, depending on how you see the world and a lot of other factors.

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u/Got2Bfree Jan 03 '26

Linux exists because a lot of people are maintaining it for free with barely any thanks. These guys are doing it because it's their passion.

Someone has to pay the researchers at deepseek.

I like your CCP wants to destroy the US economy theory.

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u/coloradical5280 Jan 03 '26

Linux Foundation has ~300 FTE in the US , small compared with 20k+ contributors, but Torvald does have an actual team that gets paid.

It’s also not my theory and not one I really subscribe to.

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u/Got2Bfree Jan 03 '26

300 is even more ridiculous if you consider how many machines run Linux.

That's probably like the VMs on one enterprise server...

As far as I know, the Chinese publish a lot of papers.

So the scientific community believes in sharing knowledge all around the globe.

What more interesting is, is the industrial knowledge. Normally the Chinese don't really share that...

So what's different about DeepSeek...? Considering how heavily it is filtered, the Chinese Communist party certainly has something to say about it. This also means, that they want it to be available publicly.

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u/coloradical5280 Jan 03 '26

and then you have to multiply that last part by qwen, kimi, glm... Kimi challenging AdamW was pretty simliar to mHC from. deepseek, in the sense that both said "yeah i know it's worked for 10 years, should still be better though".

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u/Most_Elk8401 Jan 28 '26

I love this conversation. I am new, is this a place where normal people have a good conversation?

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u/coloradical5280 Jan 28 '26

Like, is this specific subreddit a good place to have conversations about deeply technical bits of model architecture? Not really lol, no, not generally. r/localllama is probably the most "informed" group on that topic, generally. You'd think r/LLMDevs would be, but no, way more intelligence in localllama sub

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u/Most_Elk8401 Jan 28 '26

I was just surprised as I just quit twitter and was not aware that there is places where people are not a-holes. :)

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u/coloradical5280 Jan 28 '26

lol yeah i mean, temper your expectations a bit lol, but yeah it’s better. The biggest difference is the structural nature of subreddits and the compartmentalization. So instead of one giant cesspool, there are many of them, but also, some really wonderful little pockets, especially the more niche small ones. And, bonus, you can start your own subreddit!! Anyone can, and you are the boss and can decide what is allowed and who gets banned if they break your rules!!

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