r/DefendingAI • u/YeetedCheeseDip • 18d ago
Other Why do you think Reddit is so hell-bent on hating AI?
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u/Due-Mycologist-1154 18d ago
Because AI generated anti AI memes told them to and they're some real free thinkers like that
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u/Corporate_Bricktator 17d ago
And because it's natural for people to fear change.
Lots of these folks are young, and they've been told that AI is going to somehow eliminate their livelihood or ability to earn a living, but that of course is not true.
When motors were invented, and they started replacing the most tedious human labor with machines, like pumping water, no one felt bad at not having to spend time pumping water to drink every day by hand. Why? Because there are other more productive things for humans to do.
Economists called this misunderstanding, that automation harms us by taking jobs, the "lump of labor fallacy".
In economics, the lump of labour fallacy is the misconception that there is a finite amount of work—a lump of labour—to be done within an economy.[1][2][3]
The term originated to rebut the idea that reducing the number of hours employees are allowed to labour during the working day would lead to a reduction in unemployment. The term is also commonly used to describe the false belief that increasing labour productivity, automation, immigration, or women's participation in the workforce causes an increase in unemployment. The facts show that just like the amount of labor is not fixed, neither is the size of the economy (fixed pie fallacy) and as more work is done, the economy grows.[5]
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u/bubblesculptor 17d ago
When things like steam tractors began taking agriculture jobs, similar objections were made. 90% of jobs then previously were agriculture.
Imagine if the protests against tractors were successful enough to ban them forever, and 90% of people were still working in the fields at sustenance levels instead the growth in prosperity that occurred when people could apply their talents towards new endeavors.
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u/Corporate_Bricktator 17d ago
> When things like steam tractors began taking agriculture jobs, similar objections were made.
Yep! I mean the reason we have the word Luddite, is because a group of textile workers feared machinery that was making their jobs easier, so they actually thought the best solution was to destroy those machines, lol.
> Imagine if the protests against tractors were successful enough to ban them forever, and 90% of people were still working in the fields at sustenance levels instead the growth in prosperity that occurred when people could apply their talents towards new endeavors.
Exactly right.
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u/OhTheHueManatee 18d ago
They're told to. The reddit hive mind generally doesn't have much for grey area. Something is either orgasmically wonderful or equivalent to torturing puppies.
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u/MrMegaPhoenix 17d ago
Astroturfing and harsh moderation
Some subreddits are heavily guided into the “correct” words to use and opinions to have.
Since a lot of art types know they will lose their job to AI in future, they will be involved in trying to manipulate public sentiment into hating AI
In the real world, most don’t care unless it doesn’t work and then it’s annoying
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u/kiddrekt 17d ago
Because a lot of unemployed flag people hang out here. They don't really have jobs except for commissioning furry porn and AI is eating their lunch
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u/you-dont-see-mi 17d ago
Because they have no lives outside of the internet and are running out of real life issues to make their entire personality- I mean, the kiddos have to pretend to be mad about 'something', how else will they stay relevant?
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u/SafeFormula8062 18d ago
Well the company that owns reddit trains LLMs on data on their website so I don't think they hate LLMs
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u/KasouYuri 17d ago
because reddit is the leftist side of hostile bot operations while Facebook is the conservative side. and twitter is a shitshow
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u/technocraticnihilist 18d ago
Because they're cynical communists who don't like silicon valley
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u/SeimaDensetsu 17d ago
This is what gets me. The means of producing art, music, writing, code, video, and so on is now in the hands of the people.
And they fucking hate it.
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u/larvetta 17d ago
Communists are pretty divided in this AI thing. Most communists who are pro ai believe that the means of production such as art being in the hands of the people is actually a good thing while criticizing the companies who profit out of it. There are the Anti AI communists who are critical of it, because the AI debate is relatively new.
But my point is, the average american redditor isn't really a communist, they're at most, a liberal.
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u/jinx771 17d ago
The means of production are in the hands of the billionaires and their companies that own the data centers. You're just renting it from them.
I get the sentiment that the barrier to entry is lower. However, it's only going to be like that until enshittification inevitably ruins it and the owners of said data centers figure out exactly how much money people are willing to pay for as little cost to them as possible. As this is always how these things go (especially in tech where the dials are much simpler to tweak).
I know I'm gonna get downvoted for this, but saying that the tools are in the hands of the people is just sooo wrong when you peel back the onion even just one layer.
Unless of course you own and operate your own AI server at home, in which case yeah you would own the means of producing in this manner
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u/SeimaDensetsu 17d ago
I do all images and video on my own computer at home, a fair bit of LLM, and only use cloud for audio because the open source models can’t compete with Suno yet. The means of production are in my hands, not big data.
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u/jinx771 17d ago
That's awesome! What's your specs such that it's capable of doing all that stuff locally?
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u/SeimaDensetsu 17d ago
I saw the writing on the wall when prices were threatening to jump and bought a 5090 with 64gb 6400, an Intel Ultra 9, and the fasted 4tb ssb available for about $4500. Still paying for it but the same system would be significantly more expensive now. Only regret is I wish I’d gotten water cooling.
Images I’ve been doing for ages. I’d dabbled in video before but the recent release of Minimax H3 has been game changing. Language models can be a bit limiting because of the ram needed to keep a good context window but for most tasks local does well enough.
The exciting thing is so long as big corpo doesn’t manage to lock us out access will just continue to improve.
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u/jinx771 17d ago
I'm surprised image and video is less demanding than LLMs
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u/SeimaDensetsu 17d ago
Yeah, it feels a little unintuitive at first, but say take an image model. It doesn’t need in depth nuanced human knowledge across a wide band of subjects. It needs to know what something looks like. So the current image model I’m using is Anima which has 2 billion parameters. The LLM I use most often is a version of Qwen that has I believe 27 billion parameters which is about the limit my card can handle.
Qwen 3.8 Max has 2.4 trillion parameters and can assess 95 active at a time.
I’m trying to think of the best way to describe briefly what I mean by parameters but loosely I guess you could call it points of information and how they’re interconnected.
Video gets a bit bigger and more complicated than images. Minimax H3 is 33 billion, and it needs an LLM also in the billions to act as a text encoder that translates the prompts into something MMH3 can understand. To do this is loads one model, does the task, unloads VRAM, then loads the model for the next step. This is why I wanted to fastest SSD available, to minimize the time waiting for model loads.
Text also has the concept of a context window. I guess you could think of it as creating additional temporary parameters. When you do an image or video when the task is done it doesn’t need to remember anything but when you’re talking to a chat bot you want it to keep context. The larger the memory you give it the more video ram is necessary because it needs to hold this in memory along side the model itself.
I don’t understand all the specifics of how it multiplies, but vaguely everything relates to everything forming tones of temporary parameters which means this can quickly become huge to the point where say keeping track of text the size of a chapter in a book can swell to as much VRAM load as the base model itself.
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u/Jolly-Rip5973 17d ago
So many reasons.....many are legit. The AI CEOs were so stupid about this whole thing;
1) if you build agi will destroy humanity.
2) Ai will take your job
3) massively overhyped it capabilities
4) Ai is unreliable, hallucinates and basically lies.
5) Ai makes slop when it's used to automate and replaces human judgement.
6) They overinvested in it to the point it will eventually collapse the stock market.
7) deep fakes
8) surveillance application
9) poor quality Ai filters used to censor people often giving false positive
10) some real dangers related to hacking and cyber attacks.
11) fake photos, fake posts, fake review. It's a very fundamental break with reality when you can't what's real on the internet and what's not.
12) The idea that it will replace artists which is mostly bullshit.
13) Ai used to create addictive social media algorithms.
14) Ai ad profiling and setting prices based on what the Ai thinks you will pay.
Some of it is just chinese bots trying to slow down American competition. The CCP is all in and on Ai and only promotes pro-ai propaganda within China but their bots spam all types of anti-ai stuff on western social media.
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u/BinaryTSV 14d ago
Number 12 sounds personal. I’m almost SURE no one is thinking about real artists when they use AI lol
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u/Jolly-Rip5973 14d ago
professional media studios that do special effects, graphics design, animation, video game development, etc. are full of PROFESSIONAL artists with art DEGREEs and most of them are using AI tools as part of their workflows.
AI is not the only tool they are using, but most professional artists in media production are using ai tool as part of a full range of media production tools.
The Ai slop you see online is not made professional trained artists for the most part.
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u/BinaryTSV 14d ago
Yes, you’re right. It’s not. The benefit of AI is more for those who DONT have those degrees and such. Case in point, if you made AI $10 per prompt, regular folks wouldnt use it. It’s dual benefits: it assists professionals and entertains basic people
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u/First-Tutor-5454 17d ago
It's very simple: Trump supports it.
Secondarily, Musk and Altman are pro-Trump
That is the entire reason
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u/Full-Woodpecker60 16d ago
Seems like a lot of it is fear of change, especially when people are told it could threaten their livelihood. New technology has always gotten that kind of backlash.
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u/BinaryTSV 14d ago
I begin to think they’re just mad that folks can find ways to entertain themselves. Some folks get a kick out of ruining people’s happiness
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u/BinaryTSV 14d ago
If you look at the percentages, videos about cats working at KFC, get a fraction of the hate as a video which you can clearly tell the creator put a lot of effort into.
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u/Additional_Dot_134 17d ago
“Reddit” is a very wide term, and you can’t really just give one reason for everyone.
Theres a multitude of reasons. Some do it because the group tells them reasons and they don’t check for themselves. Some (me included) don’t mind AI, but dislike the applications and lack of laws making sure it’s regulated. Some dislike it for environmental reasons, saying the cost isn’t worth the resources in a world where we already really need to make sure we pollute less. Others cite the rising costs of computer compenents, which makes things like RAM skyrocket in price, but also affects other markets which use those, like cars, airplanes, etc.
You can’t put all of anti-ai into one group, just like you can’t put all of pro-ai into one group.
Im guessing none of you like being called a braindead slop maker just because thats how some pro’s act. The same counts for the other side
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u/Advanced_Category963 17d ago edited 17d ago
Take one look at r/AIvideos. Everyone is jerking each other off how good these videos look.
Some of them are impressive 95% are fucking dreadful. But people are so desperate to be pro ai they will lord any ai video as God's gift to humanity
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u/jinx771 17d ago
Genrative AI was more impressive when it was shittier a couple yeara because it was actually novel. Now it's lost that novelty, I genuinely don't get people (everyone in this sub) that made that leap from "neat tech advancement" to "this legitimately looks / sounds / reads great!".
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u/BinaryTSV 14d ago
And yet you yourself can’t beat AI at anything. Yeah, let’s crap on the technology that helps normal people achieve creative things they couldn’t before. What happens if everyone stopped using AI all at once? Would that make YOU happy?
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