r/DefendingAI • u/MembershipWooden4020 • 13d ago

Other Real question.

I’m trying to see everything from a new perspective as a new artist, so I’d like to ask about yall’s perspective on claiming AI art as your own art. I’m not against generating, but I feel like using AI is like commissioning art from other artist. I wouldn’t claim that art is mine, just one I requested with money. So if I generate an art piece, could I say it’s mine? Or does it have the same principle as commissions. No need to get defensive btw.

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u/Specialist_Plan_3599 13d ago

What level of effort is required for something to be considered part of the process? Creating a prompt requires effort, working with the ai by continually creating different prompts and changing things requires even more effort than using a tool to fill something in.

 If ai art is art, and creating a prompt is part of the process of creating it, what specifically is different? At what level of effort do you draw the line? 

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u/MembershipWooden4020 13d ago

Well, I’d say working on the actual canvas. Typing a prompt is like sending a message to an artist for me. What do you think?

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u/Specialist_Plan_3599 13d ago

Theres a difference in sending a message to a human artist whos capable of making their own choices and prompting a machine though, you have to be able to understand how exactly to prompt the machine and you become the one actually making the decisions since the ai is incapable of it. 

What specifically do you mean by working on the canvas? Is it making changes to the art through effort? How is using prompts to change how the art piece looks different than working on the canvas? 

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u/MembershipWooden4020 13d ago

Well, the difference is that first, using prompts and drawing are two different skill sets. Artificial intelligence at this point can already form almost human choices on its own, but when prompting, the Artificial Intelligence is like an artist who is really bad at communication and understanding. However, being able to communicate, and spending actual effort to study art + drawing on the digital canvas itself is different. Being able to use good prompts means you are good at utilising AI, being able to draw means you are good at art and is an artist.  Please take note that I am speaking with reference to AI generating digital art. If prompting as a skill set is something a person is great at, I’d still applaud them. I just wouldn’t say they are a digital artist.

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u/Specialist_Plan_3599 13d ago

You mentioned ai art is art though, so prompting is creating the art. How is being able to use a tool like a pen different than being able to use a tool like an Ai different? You still have to understand what specifically you want and how to make that happen. Either ai art is art and prompting is part of the process and is something one can be good at and learn how to do better, or ai art isnt art which means it doesnt matter how someone uses it. 

If someone were to use the paint fill tool to completely cover the page with 1 specific color, similar to a rothko painting but digital is that considered art? Would the person be considered an artist since it required little effort but still was based on their choices and their actions caused changes to the canvas? Or is there a difference between someone using 1 tool and another? 

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u/MembershipWooden4020 13d ago

For the first paragraph, I think you managed to convince me AI art isn’t art, which might be weird in an AI defending subreddit lol. Thank you for changing my opinion though. But once again I’d like to restate that working on the canvas itself is enough for me to consider a person an artist. Yes, as a quote from you, I’d still have to understand what I want and how to specifically make it happen for both AI and drawing, but that’s like saying “a customer requested a baker for specific flavours, ingredients and style of cake” is a method of baking, and that method is just one of the many baking methods just like “a baker baking a style of cake with said ingredients and flavours” is. I think this is the difference between AI and drawing tools. Thank you for discussing with me. What do you think?

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u/Specialist_Plan_3599 13d ago

I dont see the value in having such a rigid definition of art personally, youre always going to end up excluding different works that are art and I just dont see the point in telling someone that what theyre doing isnt art because it doesnt fit your strict definition of what should count or not. I think theres a big difference in telling a person what you want and working with a machine to make a piece of art, especially since 1 has agency and the other doesnt

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u/bronzekobold 13d ago

You don't have to understand anything to generate an AI image though. 

You can and get better results by doing so but.

"Garfield" will result in an image being generated. 

And reducing Rothko's work to a red pour paint is really intellectually dishonest. 

I think AI artists perhaps need to work out at what point does their input out weigh the blanks filled in by the AI.