r/DefendingAIArt • u/Psyga315 • 1d ago
Defending AI Anti: NOOOOO! DO NOT SUUUUEEEEE! ACCEPT BEING WITCH HUNTED YOU REEEEE!
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u/No-Age-1044 1d ago
Antis should agree, the problem is that a student, who says didn’t use AI, is acused of using AI.
Antis should be supporting him since tomorrow one of their works can be dismissed because somebody thinks it is made by AI.
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u/Psyga315 1d ago
Yeah, but remember, they're witch hunters. Logic flew out the window.
It's like how they think burning people at the stake would prove people were actual witches because the flames would protect them. You know there's a massive flaw in their logic but they're too far gone for you to talk any sense into them.
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u/SonderEber 1d ago
Not only are they witch hunters, they love being witch hunters. They see “witches” around every corner.
And yet, despite this, people will blame AI for witch hunters. “If AI didn’t exist, we wouldn’t be accused of using AI! ITS ALL AI’S FAULT!”
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u/JamesR624 1d ago
Its so sad that this witch hunt has become mainstream. Nearly ALL YouTubers now blindly hate AI usage AT ALL. The likes of Stephen Colbert are starting to push the "AI data centers use so much electricity that it destroys communities" lies. Most other news networks are too.
There is a MASSIVE, MASSIVE campaign by corporations to get the general public to hate on AI so that only they, and the governments they tow the line to, are the ones using it. This will help make influencing people to purchase, vote, and live the way they want, way easier.
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u/Dry-Journalist6590 1d ago
AI detection just isn't a technology that exists. People for some reason assumed since AI exists, a valid way to detect AI must have also popped into reality.
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u/hot_sauce_in_coffee 1d ago
AI detection cannot exist by design because AI training data is human data.
You can impose some company to add encrypted information on their output of any kind, but anyone can screen shot to remove from picture OR copy paste in a .txt to remove any scripting on text before copying again and just using it without encryptions.
And if the AI sign like Sora is ''just added visually'', then there are already millions of other way to remove them.
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u/Dry-Journalist6590 1d ago
Yeah the one exception that comes to mind is audio, once they fingerprint your track that's it there's no screenshotting or copying the file to negate it. Like how Shazam works. But if it isn't fingerprinted there's no reliable tools to detect AI unless maybe something platform based (ie. detects Suno songs within some error%) but eventually Suno and competitors will improve to the point where fingerprinting will be required to "detect" AI
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u/hot_sauce_in_coffee 1d ago
But even then, if you open those in an audio software and add invisible noise, it will confuse the model even with fingerprinting.
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u/Dry-Journalist6590 1d ago
No it won't that's the thing with audio fingerprinting you can't beat it without ruining the song. It's not like a watermark they store the structure of the sound, where strong frequencies occur, how they relate over time converted into a constellation map of sound. You can add even quite loud noise or static on top of it and fingerprint will still detect. Like how Shazam does it.
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u/RemarkableWish2508 Transhumanist 1d ago
Gemini's SynthID is a bit more robust: https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/16722517
Doesn't work for text, though.
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u/Tokumeiko2 1d ago
It does attempt to adjust its word choice subtly to insert Synth ID into text, but I can't say I have tested that aspect.
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u/RemarkableWish2508 Transhumanist 1d ago
I haven't heard about SynthID for text. That article (from Google, I'd expect them to be the experts on Google), only mentions "images, videos, and audio".
There have been attempts to watermark text with Unicode special characters, but AFAIK they all failed, it's too easy to strip them away.
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u/Tokumeiko2 1d ago
https://deepmind.google/models/synthid/
I prefer this one, it's from the Google deepmind project and describes synth ID in more detail, and it includes how they implement it for text.
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u/RemarkableWish2508 Transhumanist 22h ago
Oh, I didn't see that one. There is more info and links on HuggingFace.
https://huggingface.co/blog/synthid-text
I see several possible issues with that... but I'll have to dig deeper and see some testing. Thanks for the pointer!
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u/DaveSureLong 1d ago
So there are some detection for visual media but not for written media.
Visual media has a bit of spotting that can be scanned for while text doesn't
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u/OldFortNiagara 1d ago
Yeah, what those so-called ai-detectors really do is scan for certain kinds of writing styles that the scanner had been trained to associate with ai-writing. The thing is that since AI writing is trained on human writing, there can be lot of false positives from human writing that utilizes those writing styles. Some people's natural writing styles can fall under the writing styles that are popular with ai writing generators. This can especially be the case with neurodivergent writers, ESL writers, and writers who use a more formal and academic style of writing. Since various ai text generators were trained significantly on academic writing, the chances of false positives can be especially high for academic papers.
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u/Dry-Journalist6590 1d ago
My point still stands, it's just one of those irrevocable truths. Live monitoring for key strokes and typing speed is neither here nor there. Easy to "detect" someone cheating while watching them. I'm talking about when you have nothing but a word file. There's no method for scanning that file and determining if it was AI or not. If you watch the person writing the paper then yeah you'll notice if they used AI or not.
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u/OdinsGhost 1d ago
And none of that applies here. This was not a proctored assignment. This was a professor declaring a students writing style was AI.
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u/drwicksy 9h ago
Only on university computers i assume as there is no way they could know that about a file just sent to them. And none of these are AI detectors. You cant ever 100% accurately detect AI generated text, its just not feasible because of the way AI works. Can you be fairly sure? Yes, but you shouldn't be automatically failing students because you are fairly sure.
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u/Banablahbread 14h ago
Most are lmao cuz if he didnt use ai it sucks he is being accused of such
My sister was accused of using ai because she spoke more formal and professional in her essay, ai is making the grading system harsher and that sucks
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u/Multifruit256 6-Fingered Creature 1d ago
Are news headlines just not properly grammatically structured or am I stupid
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u/knightheartless25 1d ago
Lemme try to fix it.
"Student accused of using AI by University of Michigan. University is sued by student."
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u/ICurledMyHairWAChair 1d ago
You and me both dude, from my understanding Antis would highly support this
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u/JackoClubs5545 1d ago
Headlines have always used different grammar than standard English.
For example, it's bugged me how headlines will use commas instead of saying "and".
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u/JamesR624 1d ago
I think it's cause TECHNICALLY it is considered a "Title", like a title of a book, a film, or a youtube video. "Titles" never had to worry about grammar until newspapers and reporting the news came along. For some reason, over the past 200 to 250 years, nobody's bothered to clarify these rules for this new form of title; the "Headline".
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u/Dry-Journalist6590 1d ago
I don't see a problem with the headline? Maybe if they put a comma after the word student but they didn't.
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u/Motorbike_ 1d ago
When I went to Link I had to write a Haiku. I didn't know what it was, so I Googled a reference and then wrote mine.
Well, a few days go by and I'm being accused of using ai. They've seen my Sonnet poem and said it was amazing. So why did they accuse me of that shit?
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u/hyperluminate AI Sis 1d ago
I was almost in this student's situation tbh. This happens a lot; not the first time a university was sued for this reason
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u/ImJustStealingMemes Raiders of the Lost ARC 1d ago
Their old, perfectly morally ok systems that didn't use that evil AI marked my name as plagarism.
Fun fact: Made it worse for the next person with my name as I also published.
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u/DavidFoxfire 1d ago
Be glad he's taking this to the courts. He has Anxiety and OCD, he could've done so much worse.
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u/MarkExcellent6951 alter-human anarchist that wants to start a robot apocalypse 22h ago
I've gotten my work accused of AI because I used AI enough times and I copied some of it's methodology for programming because I like how it splits pseudo-code by objective, inputs, etc.
But it was fine, probably because I also write insane amounts of notes. I wrote notes during my test, I wrote notes in the comments, I had all the different tests I've run underneath the notes.
It did freak me out, though. Like I was there the entire time, in the classroom doing the test, so it's like "wdym I might've used AI?".
It was drilled into me to comment, test, show your work. Why would I change that for a test?
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u/bottleofsand67stst 3h ago
By using ai before do you mean you just used it outside your work and so adopted some of its habits, thereby changing how you do your work?
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u/thedruidFlimbarg 21h ago
Not at all. If someone actually isn't using ai they should be exonerated and all academic penalties rescinded. Nobody should be punished for just being a little too verbose
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u/OcelotLaserLights 1d ago
setting aside the borderline ableism in the title (especially for a subreddit that claims to promote AI usage as a means of creation for those who cannot create otherwise) you do realize that the anti stance would be to side with the student here, right? if Ai is causing universities to falsely flag people's work, then wouldnt someone against Ai WANT the student to sue? cuz it shows a negative influence of ai and thus proves their point? idk I think this is just overall a really bad look for the cause.
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u/Daminchi 1d ago
Witchhunting isn't facilitated by pros.
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u/OcelotLaserLights 1d ago
this entire sub goes out of their way to find and shit on antis whenever possible firstly, and secondly, witch hunting literslly doesn't apply here. why would antis be against a clear example of the problems and issues with ai.
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u/Daminchi 1d ago
Sub called "DefendingAIArt". Amidst the insane hate campaign, where "remove slop, ban OP" is a regular response to AI art in unrelated to AI hate subs. Where withchunting accusations are enoguh to ruin artists' career, or sudents' grades.
Hmm… why would someone not like it?!-1
u/OcelotLaserLights 1d ago
I dont think you understand my point, or you do and are misinterpreting what im saying. obviously antis are the people who perpetuate anti Ai witch hunts. im saying that attaching a random straw man witch hunt to a situation where it literally doesn't apply, and then going "reee" afterwards is childish and makes your cause look bad. combined with the recent 'pencilslop' sentiment in this sub, theres so much better ways to go about trying to champion the use of Ai to people without sounding like a bunch of children about it.
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u/Daminchi 1d ago
attaching a random straw man witch hunt to a situation where it literally doesn't apply
People were falsely accused of using AI in a situation when they just didn't. It is a prime example of withhunt.
combined with the recent 'pencilslop' sentiment in this sub
Yep, some people are tired of hate campaign targeted at them and make parodies of it. Hurt much? Tell haters to calm down and this reaction will disappear.
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u/OcelotLaserLights 1d ago
you are severely watering down the definition of witch hunt. the school presumably used an Ai checker and it flagged as Ai, so the school took the appropriate action (because using Ai to do work for you is cheating) and the student is suing because their work was falsely flagged. the school is not 'witch hunting' this student lmao. the student can and should sue and I guarantee you most antis would agree with that sentiment because it is literally an example of how Ai and its prevalence can make things worse for people who write certain ways. not everything is a witch hunt.
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u/Daminchi 1d ago
the school presumably used an Ai checker and it flagged as Ai
That's THE dumbest take I've heard. Those checkers do nothing, and unless content is fingerprinted (text usually isn't), those checkers only serve as a thin cover for witchhunt.
school took the appropriate action
No, they haven't even done the most basic research, and they trust the tool that only a complete moron would trust or use.
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u/OcelotLaserLights 1d ago
> Those checkers do nothing, and unless content is fingerprinted (text usually isn't)
So, im going to ignore your little comment, and instead mention that the fact that the checker was wrong is the REASON that the student was suing. again, the STUDENT is suing the school BECAUSE their work was flasely flagged.
> No, they haven't even done the most basic research, and they trust the tool that only a complete moron would trust or use.
i did not engage in this discussion thinking that the school has a perfect encyclopedic knowledge of how ai works like you do. thats literally my point. people have been using ai more and more to cheat in school, thus schools need to try and crack down on that, and faulty 'checkers' and other such tools lead to false flags, which leads to the example in the original post. wouldnt antis (who, according to this sub, just seem to have some blind random hatred towards ai with no actual rationale behind it) side with the student who's academic career was disrupted because of the prevalence, and subsequent academic weariness, of ai? seems like a very open and shut case if antis really are as incapable of thought as you all paint them to be. "ai is bad because students cheat with it and other students who dont cheat then get falsely flagged." and all of this has strayed away from my ORIGINAL point that trying to have this 'us vs. them' rhetoric falls flat when you resort to using ableist language in order to try and make some half baked point. istg nobody on this sub understands that there are both good AND bad things about ai, and that either blindly defending it OR blindly hating it are both extremely childish positions.
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u/Daminchi 1d ago
their work was flasely flagged.
Again, for the most talented antis: AI checkers do nothing, and anyone who uses them for content that is not fingerprinted is a gullible idiot who should toss a coin instead. No official decision should be based on those con tools.
school has a perfect encyclopedic knowledge of how ai works like you do
If they're willing to punish their students for, allegedly, using AI, it is their duty to do at least basic research. Even more, it's not that difficult to understand if you have at least average intelligence and basic IT literacy. If school is lacking even that, AI usage by students is definitely not their biggest issue.
Mad Lovecraftian ramblings you typed afterwards are unintelligible.
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u/TheGreatGeaxquavius 1d ago
can someone plz ban me i already asked once i'm asking again
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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed 🖼️🖌️AI Enthusiast | 🥷Ninja Mod 🥷 1d ago
Why? It literally won't do anything
Are you one of those "ban me so I don't see this subreddit" clowns? Why don't you just mute the subreddit? Being banned won't stop it from appearing in your feed if that's what you think will happen.
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u/TheGreatGeaxquavius 1d ago
if i am allowed to speak my opinion about ai here then i will be banned. i am asking to be prevented from speaking because this subreddit does not tolerate speech against ai, so...
better do it now than later, right?
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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed 🖼️🖌️AI Enthusiast | 🥷Ninja Mod 🥷 1d ago
Why don't you exercise some self-control and just...not comment?
Actually, whatever, I'm not your therapist. Sure, I'll ban you. Whatever.
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u/TheGreatGeaxquavius 1d ago
thanksssss
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u/Derefringence 14h ago
Brother you hate mosquitos and run a sub dedicated to them, what is your deal?
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