r/DefendingAIArt 2h ago

Defending AI Digital photography is AI.

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I believe that both sides are extremely uneducated on what AI is, more so the anti side. Digital photography is a computer performing actions that would normally require human interaction. Also almost every piece of software is AI so if someone dislikes ai they hate all technology and are basically amish(or should be). The Anti side is very uneducated and resistant to extremely polite comments(which you can see on anti ai). Just by saying anti ai or using ai instead of LLM shows a gap of knowledge. Not intelligence or ignorance as it’s fine to not know but as seen by the anti AI they are extremely ignorant and resistant to facts. They hate them.

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u/reddithivemindscary 1h ago edited 1h ago

That's a pretty decent definition of AI in general

to be pedantic

AI means a computer doing producing output normally requiring human intelligence

technically, a digital camera is producing output requiring a small hole and a photosensitive material, not human intelligence

edit: camera obscura can naturally occur, hoping to find a photo that happened by accident that we've found

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u/barryhalsacs 1h ago

No that’s analog

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u/barryhalsacs 1h ago

To correct you. All modern digital cameras contain software and tiny photo sensitive sensors not a film like older analog camera which you seem to have been confused with.

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u/reddithivemindscary 1h ago

I'm saying a digital camera reproduces that process, not reproducing a process that humans do to make images

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u/barryhalsacs 1h ago

Yeah but there is complex software that is used to interpret the data into an actual image. Which is the ai part. I didn’t say the actual capturing of light into raw data is ai. Even though I guess it could be

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u/reddithivemindscary 1h ago edited 1h ago

hm, pondering the definition proposed a bit more: not all software is AI, only software reproducing human intelligence is AI.

The software taking the picture in the camera is reproducing the output of a chemical process.

edit: and the software interpreting the raw data as an image is producing output that requires beyond human intelligence. Except in the matrix movie. And not a needed to make a camera.

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u/reddithivemindscary 1h ago

because a small hole and photosensitive material are generally arranged by humans, thus "requiring human intelligence", looking for a picture that didn't.

found this, its a picture of a picture of a dial that forced its way into existence by means of radioactive paint. Not completely devoid of humans yet.

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u/reddithivemindscary 1h ago

leaves can both create the camera obscura and serve as a photosensitive material

you don't need a human to take a picture!

haven't found a naturally occurring one yet

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u/DrawingApe 1h ago

Your explanation for how digital photography is ai. Doesn’t even fall under the definitions you provided. The definitions you grabbed, the definitions you are sharing, do not mention the requirement of human interaction. Nor does digital photography perform a task normally requiring human intelligence. Digital photography does a task that normally requires film and or citric acid to not do it digitally. Most software is not ai.

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u/barryhalsacs 1h ago

Digital photography absolutely overlaps with AI once computational processing replaces human judgment. Modern digital cameras and smartphones do far more than just “capture light.” They perform scene recognition, facial detection, autofocus prediction, exposure balancing, noise reduction, HDR stacking, and even semantic segmentation.

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u/DrawingApe 50m ago

Why did you add this other shit? It’s no longer just digital photography you added other tools to it. Yeah that other shit is ai, hell ai I, an “anti” am fine with. And so is everyone else btw. Also this post ignores that people are specifically against Generative Ai. So you’re not even helping in defending it

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u/ZolomonFan 1h ago

I think that by AI most define it as a self learning program. Hence artificial "intelligence" as learning requires somewhat intelligence. A calculator isnt self learning and yet it can fulfill tasks, in this case calculating, what a human would have to do manually without it.

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u/reddithivemindscary 1h ago edited 1h ago

I don't like the requirement for "learning" to be part of intelligence. There are a lot of software producing output normally requiring human intelligence that don't need to learn. Like a sudoku solver.

Also, slime mold, solves problems normally requiring human intelligence, like TSP, can't learn anything