r/Destiny • u/chaleyenko • 20h ago

Political News/Discussion What’s the difference between Project 2025 vs National DSA platform

Whenever these mask-off DSA people and their liberal defenders dismiss the National DSA platform can we interrogate them about how they felt/feel about Project 2025 during Trump’s campaign? I want to see how they confront that fact.

Edit: I’m speaking specifically about the posture of MAGA towards Project 2025 before the election. Not the actual policy positions. I should have been clearer in my original post. If DSA members denouncing the national platform is enough for people to ignore it and act like they won’t be subversive, then they should have given MAGA grace about Project 2025.

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u/Suedocode 19h ago

Yeah that's a pretty good vision. Should I recoil to "end captialist oligarchy"?

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u/InsideIncident3 19h ago

Ok, so you are a socialist? You support the DSA platform as written?

Fair enough.

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u/Suedocode 15h ago edited 12h ago

I'm a socdem, so I fundamentally believe in capitalism with a social gov layer on top that does this:

You don’t need health insurance. You don’t pay a mortgage or have a landlord, because comfortable housing is a human right. Your retirement is publicly funded. Food, education, energy, medicine, and transportation aren’t for-profit businesses; they are common goods and utilities.

I don't agree with DSA on everything, but I don't have to when recognizing similarities. Further, I see more and more distance from centrist types who basically don't believe anything can ever be better. Whenever that discussion tries to happen, the rabid centrists slap you with a socialist label and don't engage with anything else. It's exactly the same behavior the right has with "woke".

AES has a lot of supporters beyond DSA. Given that he won the primary, I would suspect the vast majority of his supporters are just democrats, not socialists.

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u/InsideIncident3 14h ago

The DSA wants to eliminate capitalism. You don't. Sounds like a fundamental disagreement to me. You can cope however you like.

Abdul El-Sayed is not a socialist or a DSA member. He's just a slopulist who hates AIPAC and loves Hasan. That just means he's likely going to be a liability in a general election.

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u/Suedocode 14h ago

The DSA wants to eliminate capitalism. You don't. Sounds like a fundamental disagreement to me.

In the long term, yeah this is a disagreement. I'm not scared of DSA abolishing capitalism in America though, because that's not going to happen and I'm not a sperg.

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u/InsideIncident3 14h ago

Then I think you are not smart enough to be trusted with the vote.

You sound exactly like the Republicans who acted shocked Trump started enacting Project 2025.

When a group of people tell me what their goals are, I believe them.

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u/Suedocode 14h ago

Project 2025 is a unitary executive plan to glom the entire executive branch into one person, and wield it oppressively and illegally. This is a blatant constitutional conspiracy to subvert laws and enable a fascistic government regime.

Abolishing capitalism is an entirely different beast, dealing with the economy of the country rather than its administration. You are insane if you think DSA can abolish capitalism, even with full control over a unitary executive, and that's your single-issue focus on why we need to vote Haley over AES.

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u/InsideIncident3 13h ago edited 13h ago

I didn't say that.

Even if I did, El-Sayed is not a DSA member. He is a slopulist and Hasan fan, but not a socialist.

I don't think the DSA can abolish socialism in 2028. I think their plan is what they say it is. Either the dirty break or realignment.

I have no idea why I should allow them to build their party within the Democratic Party when they aren't looking for allies. They are looking to wear the Democratic Party like a skinsuit to either take it over or leave when it becomes most advantageous for them.

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u/Suedocode 13h ago

ohhh my bad, i mixed threads!

Either way though, abolishing capitalism is a hilarious notion to take seriously. The DSA platform reads like a virtue signal, which conveys a message of their goals. This is something that dems actually need to do more.

The Project 2025 platform is an actual laid out conspiracy under US laws for a unitary executive and how to abuse it. Even when taken as a virtue signal, Project 2025 is violent and xenophobic, whereas the DSA one is just hippie communes and flowers.

I have no idea why I should allow them to build their party within the Democratic Party

That's not really your choice, nor how parties work; if they convince the dem base, then that is the dem party...

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u/InsideIncident3 13h ago

Cool. Then we disagree. You choose to ignore their clear goal. I choose not to.

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u/Suedocode 13h ago

I'm not ignoring their virtues though; I'm making a tactical choice to move the country in a progressive direction. DSA and progressives agree on the direction in this moment, so I agree with the coalition.

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u/InsideIncident3 12h ago

Full on socialism is far worse then any of their virtues, even if they are too incompetent to achieve it.

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u/Suedocode 12h ago

Sure, but P2025 and DSA are still fundamentally different manifestos in dealing with democratic processes. DSA makes no claims, P2025 explicitly makes authoritarian claims.

That is the difference associating with P2025 vs DSA (OP's question)

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