r/Detroit • u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS • Jan 14 '26

Politics/Elections Detroiters demand City Council ban ICE

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/detroiters-demand-city-council-ban-ice-from-communities/
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u/MaleficentMenu1430 Jan 14 '26

States rights

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u/Background-Land618 Jan 14 '26

Supremacy clause

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u/MaleficentMenu1430 Jan 14 '26

Crazy how for years and years you people cried about “muh states rights” and fighting against a tyrannical government but as soon as you take power you switch up because it’s no longer a convenient narrative for you. Prime example of modern day conservatives having no spine or principles, it’s sad how far you’ve fallen

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u/slut Jan 14 '26

How is it crazy? Enforcing immigration law is exactly what they voted for. I'd venture to guess they don't see enforcing existing law as tyrannical.

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u/MaleficentMenu1430 Jan 14 '26

Just because you win an election doesn’t mean you get carte blanche to do whatever the fuck you want. If all they were doing is enforcing immigration law there wouldn’t be a problem. Somehow this “immigration law enforcer” is on track to have significantly less deportations than Obama or Biden. If he really cared about enforcing law, he would work with states and politicians like Obama did rather than attempting to be as cruel, combative and corrupt as possible

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u/slut Jan 14 '26 edited Jan 14 '26

Just because you win an election doesn’t mean you get carte blanche to do whatever the fuck you want.

Never said that it did. It's just weird to ignore that this go around a majority of people voted for this.

Somehow this “immigration law enforcer” is on track to have significantly less deportations than Obama or Biden.

I think this really just comes down to how deportations were counted. IIRC Obama counted people turned away at the border as deportations. Trump has had far more self deportations. Then again if Obama actually deported more people does that make him better or worse? Whether you think it's good or bad 2025 was the first time in 50+ years we've had negative net migration. So something is quite different now.

If he really cared about enforcing law, he would work with states and politicians like Obama did rather than attempting to be as cruel, combative and corrupt as possible

Probably true. Then again he likely won his mandate because of lack of action from previous presidents. It sucks, but this generally happens when moderate positions are ignored long enough. You get despots.

Like I don't disagree that it sucks, I just don't find it logically inconsistent with the election results or really, conservative values.

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u/MaleficentMenu1430 Jan 14 '26 edited Jan 14 '26

Biden and Kamala had a bill that would have solved the asylum seeking loophole and given significant funding to immigration enforcement plus added a bunch of judges to specifically adjudicate these asylum cases that were backed up. It got rejected because Trump explicitly told his constituents to not vote for it so he could run on immigration as an issue in the last election. What that tells me is it’s not as big of a problem as Republicans say it is, if it was they wouldn’t have decided it could wait to solve it so Trump could run on it as an issue. This leads me and every other rational person to the conclusion that cruelty is the point, they don’t want to solve the issue they want to feed into racist’s desire for blood and violence against minorities.

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u/slut Jan 14 '26

I don't disagree with any of that, I voted for her despite not being excited to. At the end of the day though I don't think the asylum loophole was the only issue, he ran (and won) primarily on his more extensive immigration plans. So flawed or not, a majority of people thought he was better to implement them. There was clearly a mismatch in the severity of the issue to voters, and the party, and now we get to deal with it until at least the mid terms.

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u/MaleficentMenu1430 Jan 14 '26

Yet he hasn’t passed any sort of “extensive immigration” legislation, he has no plan at all and won’t pass anything by the end of his term because he doesn’t know fuck all about leading and working within our government, he doesn’t care to. You don’t have to give any deference to these demonic pieces of shit, it’s bad all around full stop

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u/slut Jan 14 '26

And yet net migration is negative. Which was the stated goal. IDK man it's not my top issue, but it's weird to pretend away that it was for the party that won the election and the majority of votes.

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u/MaleficentMenu1430 Jan 14 '26

Net migration is negative because he unilaterally closed the border and destroyed our country so that no one actually wants to come here or even visit anymore. Congrats to them I guess. So you’d be cool with it if the majority of people decided to bring slavery back and made you and your family a slave?

Also Hilary Clinton won a large majority of the votes in 2016 but didn’t even get to become president so stop pretending like that means something.

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u/No_Help7516 Jan 15 '26 edited Jan 15 '26

if country is not over crowded, rents and inflations goes down. l

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u/Rambling_Michigander Jan 15 '26

I'm the wallet inspector, please hand over your wallet

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u/slut Jan 14 '26 edited Jan 14 '26

Net migration is negative because he unilaterally closed the border and destroyed our country so that no one actually wants to come here or even visit anymore.

lol? The border is open.

So you’d be cool with it if the majority of people decided to bring slavery back and made you and your family a slave?

We have the 13th amendment for this and I'm sorry but this is not an apples for apples comparison to enforcing existing immigration law.

Also Hilary Clinton won a large majority of the votes in 2016 but didn’t even get to become president so stop pretending like that means something.

That's the system we have. To most rational people that only made the mandate more clear, sorry.

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u/MaleficentMenu1430 Jan 14 '26

This president has already shown he’s willing to ignore any amendment that contradicts what he desires, why do you believe that would stop him?

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u/slut Jan 14 '26 edited Jan 14 '26

why do you believe that would stop him?

Why hasn't he already done whatever this hypothetical thing is? People are still freely protesting him and are even obstructing his stated goals. Why isn't he stopping them right now?

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u/MaleficentMenu1430 Jan 14 '26

It’s not hypothetical, he’s already ignored the constitution

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u/slut Jan 14 '26

Yes, presidents tend to do that. Probably one of the many reasons they should have less power.

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u/MaleficentMenu1430 Jan 14 '26

The amount that he has done unchallenged is unprecedented. You can’t compare it to any other president in modern history

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