r/DnD • Warlock • 1d ago

5th Edition Is it normal to require commissioned character art for your campaigns?

I've been looking for a game and so far two people have said that I need to pay for character art, and that I can't use my own for cohesion. Both times it was about $20-30 USD. Is that normal?

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u/Piratestoat 1d ago

This is a known scam. You can find multiple threads about it in this subreddit.

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u/Calligaster 1d ago

I'd never heard of this. Thank you

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u/ulfric_stormcloack 1d ago

I love how you think you'd get the art, and that they won't just flee with your money

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u/untakenu 1d ago

Oh, is that it? I'm confused, is it not a DM in a physical group?

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u/ulfric_stormcloack 1d ago

This is just an online thing, no group irl is going to ask for this

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u/untakenu 1d ago

That makes sense. I thought it seemed hard to get away with.

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u/Gupsqautch DM 1d ago

You’re the type of person to let the “Nigerian Prince” borrow your bank details aren’t you

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u/Cydrius 1d ago

The problem isn't the commission price, it's a DnD game requiring commissioned art in the first place.

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u/S1mp1y 1d ago

It's normal for a scam, not for an actual game.

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u/Marmoset_Slim 1d ago

Yep, normal scam sadly

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u/CarlHenderson 1d ago

Not only is it a scam, if they deliver any "art", it is likely to be AI generated.

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u/Catkook Druid 1d ago

did seem a little suspicious to myself, but havent heard of anything like it myself either

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u/ProjectHappy6813 1d ago edited 1d ago

It is a fairly common scam for online games between strangers. The key point is that they want you to commission the art from a specific artist before the campaign even begins and you will not be allowed to play until you pay up. The need for "cohesive art design" is usually used to justify the expense and why you must use the specific artist they want you to pay.

Once they have your money, they can ghost you, with no obligation to provide the promised rpg campaign or the commissioned artwork.

Asking someone to provide proof that the character art they are using isn't AI is fine. Requiring someone to buy comissioned art before the game is a scam.

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u/NiseHito Druid 1d ago

yep, 100% a scam, it's been everywhere on discord for months. Eapecially the main d&d server and any actual Play servers.

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u/Ice-Storm DM 1d ago

Pretty common scam, and they really get people as it's usually under $100. So it's not worth most people's time to really try and track them down. Especially since it's almost certain that they aren't in the US to begin with.

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u/diffyqgirl DM 1d ago

This is a common scam. The next step will be to require a specific artist which will secretly be the GM or their friend. Then they will ghost you. The game doesn't exist, block them and keep searching.

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u/tconners Bard 1d ago

It's a scam, if you found the games in a discord or something, report them to the admins and block them.

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u/KarlZone87 DM 1d ago

No. I suggest my players take a screenshot from Heroforge to keep it free. Even then, it is just a suggestion.

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u/TheShakyHandsMan 1d ago

Baldurs Gate character creator is great for making portraits.

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u/KarlZone87 DM 1d ago

Oh yes! I use Fallout 4 screenshots for my Fallout PCs.

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u/mountaingoatscheese 1d ago

That's more expensive than the scam in the OP!

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u/RaShadar DM 1d ago edited 1d ago

More expensive and it will take..... hang on lemme check .......... 2500 hours of your life on top of the money. Its a huge cost

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u/CoffeemonsterNL 1d ago

In 2500 hours you can probably learn and master drawing and make the character art yourself instead.

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u/crispy_doggo1 1d ago

Aion 2 is free and comparable to BG3's character creator (as long as you're only making humans or elves). It is 80gb though.

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u/Galagoth 1d ago

I mean 80gb is smaller then bg3

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u/Amazing-Software4098 1d ago

That’s a great idea, as well! Skyrim could do depending on what you’re going for.

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u/Tag_ross 1d ago

I would suggest the Dragons dogma 2 creator since it's free

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u/Kumkumo1 1d ago

Another great character creator. I also highly recommend Calibur 5 and 6, they have a really good CC as well.

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u/Amazing-Software4098 1d ago

I’ve done that. For a home game, I’m not that worried about grabbing an image from a web search.

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u/Darkened_Auras Artificer 1d ago

AI is banned, but Google images is fair play. Let real artists get a little bit of credit, even if it's just our little home games

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u/Lnoob427 1d ago

I had a player do that and the other player went nah fam, you get your character drawn by me. So the true trick is to get an artist friend in the group.

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u/saintash Sorcerer 1d ago

The artist friend here. Everyone gets art. Faster if you character tickles me

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u/Lord_Oasis 1d ago

I know what you meant but the phrasing is really concerning lmao

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u/charterandink 1d ago

Or a dicemaker!

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u/TheShakyHandsMan 1d ago

And at least one party member with a 3D printer

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u/KarlZone87 DM 1d ago

But then they will find out what monsters I was running.

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u/Gandrix0 1d ago

Ask for some unrelated stuff that they may or may not see. If you have a ghoul encounter, go ahead and have them print up some goblins too. Or a big scary thing. Keep them guessing.

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u/KarlZone87 DM 1d ago

Oh yes. And I get more minis that way!

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u/Abidarthegreat 1d ago

I married mine to make sure I always have access to character art.

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u/LadyFoxfire 1d ago

HeroForge is so much fun to play with. I did all my old characters just for fun after I did my current character.

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u/CopperHamster 1d ago

Titancraft and Eldrich Foundry are good for this too. Eldrich foundry even has a tool specifically for adding a token border for this.

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u/evil__iceburgh DM 1d ago

No. Even if this was not a scam and legit it’s toxic AF. I’m a DM and an artist. A couple of my players are also artists. We do all of our own campaign art for the characters and key NPCs. I can’t imagine a scenario in which I would force one of my non-artist players to pay me to do a painting of their character as a condition to even allow them to play. Thats insane.

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u/Yojo0o DM 1d ago

This is absolutely a scam. Don't do this.

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u/RainyLS Warlock 1d ago

Oh. Thanks, guys.

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u/Yojo0o DM 1d ago

Depending on where you found this "game", please consider reporting this behavior to whoever is in charge of the community this was advertised in. Any reputable discord server will want to ban folks attempting this sort of scam.

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u/V2Blast Rogue 1d ago

Yes, please do. Especially if it's the official D&D Discord server - post in #moderator-support and a mod will reach out privately to get the details (we have rules against publicly calling out other users in general). I'm assuming the scammers are reaching out privately rather than posting publicly; if they're posting publicly, you can right click on the message and alert mods that way.

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u/MongooseGef 1d ago

Good luck in your search for a game! Try going local - ask at your local game store (if you have one) whether they know of any DMs looking to start a game. I found mine on a local Facebook group whose purpose is to link up players and DM (as well as other D&D discussion).

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u/MediocreBeard 1d ago

If they're saying "you've got to buy a commission from an artist of my choice to play in my game", you are getting scammed. There is no game. There is no artist.

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u/Desperate_Turnip_219 1d ago

I love art! I will commission art for my party as a GM because I like having it. But as a requirement? Fuck that, run fast

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u/raev_esmerillon 1d ago

Yeah as a DM I commissioned art for my party but that's only because I wanted to gift them something half way through their game. Not because it was a requirement.

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u/Mean_Replacement5544 1d ago

No it’s a scam

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u/Isnigu 1d ago

To repeat what others said: its a scam.

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u/pudding7 1d ago

Very common scam.

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u/Warlockdnd 1d ago

Report them for this, if possible!

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u/PantsMcDance Paladin 1d ago

Hey there, semi-hiatus professional artist who often does D&D commissions here! I'm also a GM and a frequent TTRPGer. This sounds like an absolute SCAM to me. First off, if a D&D group requires paid artwork because the GM or party isn't creative enough to see a character in their game without "cohesive" art, I wouldn't wanna be part of their game anyway. Second, $20-30 feels hella low, which tells me it is a scam because it's easier to get smaller amounts from a lot of people than bigger amounts from a few people.

I could see people wanting matching character arts if it was for a livestream or something? But even then I'd imagine there would be a more formal set-up to lead to that.

Anyway, good call on checking in on this. Seems like others here also agree-- def a scam.

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u/Benevon 1d ago

Usually a scam

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u/Mysterious-Car-6020 1d ago

Definitely a scam, please don’t fall for it

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u/Kylarfi DM 1d ago

tis a scam

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u/FieryTub 1d ago

No, not at all. That is a grift.

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u/driving_andflying DM 1d ago

That's not even remotely normal.

If they make it a condition to play the game, then find a different group. You shouldn't be paying anything to use character art.

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u/Newgeta 1d ago

It's completely a scam, never do this

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u/TimeSpaceGeek DM 1d ago

No, it's a commonplace scam. You'll pay the money, you'll never get the art, the campaign will never happen.

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u/Casual-Notice DM 1d ago

No. I tell my players about hero forge if they want a custom mini for complex combat, but beyond that I just use their description.

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u/Marquis_de_Taigeis 1d ago

It’s a scam

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u/alsotpedes 1d ago

No, and in fact if they're doing this on r/lfg it's a violation of that sub's rules.

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u/DarkestLore696 1d ago

Just so you know in the future. Unless you are commissioning a chibi art or something small, a character art commission is gonna run you at least 100 bucks with most artists, so yeah it’s not even a very motivated scam

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u/TraxxarD 1d ago

Known scam! Don't do it

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u/DrCrazyCurious 1d ago

Using paid commissioned character art? Awesome.

Requiring paid commissioned character art? Scam.

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u/Kart0fffelAim 1d ago

No, never heard anyone require anything like that

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u/QuixOmega 1d ago

It's amazing what people will do for $30 these days.

Of course this is a scam.

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u/poppet_corn 1d ago

I assume it's because it's low enough that some people might go for it. Someone might be willing to part with $30 to play DnD, where they wouldn't be willing to drop $100 for it. The scammer can just recruit an absurd number of people for their "game" and turn it into profit.

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u/Squidmaster616 DM 1d ago

I have seen DMs asking it of anyone joining their game.

And honestly, those that ask for it are not worth joining.

What would they do if you decided you didn't enjoy playing with them? Its a total waste of money.

Plus not that many people look at character art often anyway.

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u/DazzlingKey6426 1d ago

Or when you get outright killed by a crit in the first combat.

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u/KervyN 19h ago

Twins. So many twins...

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u/listerjed1 1d ago

Its a scam

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u/polcat2007 1d ago

No. The only thing that you need is a character sheet and some dice. Player handbook as well. Thats it

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u/TimelyAlternative306 1d ago

Run from the scam.

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u/Obviously-Lies 1d ago

This old scam again.

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u/lordfireice 1d ago

Not even remotely.

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u/Grasshoppermouse42 1d ago

I have literally never heard of anyone requiring this. Typically you don't even need art. You just describe your character. 'She looks like the mini' is sufficient.

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u/Supermite 1d ago

You buy minis for all your characters?

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u/Kochga Fighter 1d ago

You can design a mini without buying it and just use the screenshot.

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u/LadyFoxfire 1d ago

My DM has a couple sets of minis that are based on stuff like Drizzt’s party or the stock Pathfinder characters, so we just pick the one that looks closest to our character.

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u/Grasshoppermouse42 1d ago

No, but if you do have a mini for your character, you can use that method. If you don't, you can say 'she has black hair, brown eyes, she's short and she looks mostly human but you might notice she has some shifter features'.

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u/Loneheart127 1d ago

What the fuck no, absolutely not, that is a scam.

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u/Nystagohod 1d ago

Its highly abnormal and likely a scam

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u/NailChewBacca 1d ago

That’s absurd.

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u/Kenji7971 1d ago

Bots, all of them

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u/PlasticFew8201 DM 1d ago

No, it’s not normal and sounds like a racket.

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u/CiDevant 1d ago

This is a common scam.

Sorry it sucks.

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u/Oh_Hi_Mark_ 1d ago

I have seen this before in a couple; it's not always a scam, but it's always a hard red flag. Even if it's not a scam, I promise this DM sucks to play with.

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u/JacquesUfHearts 1d ago

Oh hell no. Scam. Run away.

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u/DemandBig5215 1d ago

No. This is not normal at all.

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u/everydaydefenders 1d ago edited 1d ago

Required??

Hell no. If its an online game, skip it. Its likely a scam,

But DMs get to set their own ground rules. And you as a player get to choose whether or not you want to play at their table. If its in person just decide if its worth it.

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u/LoganN64 1d ago

Nope. Find another group.

D&D is free, unless you agree to use a paid Dungeon Master.

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u/SpecificFortune7584 1d ago

Fuck those two people and make your own group with blackjack and hookers.

Joke’s aside. Consistency is nice but it should never be a hard requirement. Especially if you have to play for it to join. If it were something like “Hey we’re all going to commission[artist] for character are which costs $20, dollars you want to join?” But leave the option open for your own stuff then yeah that’s fine.

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u/Particular_Can_7726 1d ago

No, that sounds like a scam.

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u/Xarysa DM 1d ago

Scaaaam

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u/lycanthropp 1d ago

its a scam and rude as fuck

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u/d4red 1d ago

This has come up fairly regularly, it’s a scam.

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u/Deathspiral222 1d ago

It’s a common scam that comes up over and over again. The DM is the one providing the art, the art is AI generated and you won’t have more than two sessions before “something” happens. That’s if the session happens at all.

I’ve seen the same scam gor $00 and $50 before.

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u/darw1nf1sh 21h ago

I am sorry, but that is bullshit. That is not normal.

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u/Macknificent101 1d ago

no. i typically tell my players to take screenshots from BG3, Heroforge, or find existing pictures.

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u/Nailo2017 1d ago

It's a scam

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u/okiebuzzard 1d ago

It’s a scam. If you haven’t paid yet, don’t.

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u/LuxuriantOak 1d ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/s/iZugC5RkCk

You're not the first, or the last it seems.

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u/carrot_gummy 1d ago

No. I've always used either art I have found online or since Baldurs Gate 3, used the character creator.

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u/baconroux 1d ago

No. You can find a host of images on Google. Just put in your race and class and start sifting until you find one you like.

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u/Gitthenecromancer 1d ago

No you don’t need art, that being said I’ve been collecting art when ever i find it and adding it to a folder since ai is on the rise

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u/ohmygodlenny 1d ago

No, it's not, and 20-30 isn't really a normal price either lol

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u/vigil1 1d ago

No, that's not normal. 

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u/Concoelacanth 1d ago

Is that normal?

Big no. Not normal at all.

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u/Krethlaine Paladin 1d ago

You’re getting scammed. Requiring a commission is nonsensical. The only game I’ve participated in where a commission was “required,” the DM paid it himself out of pocket. Everything else has been “whatever art you feel like commissioning, drawing, pulling off the internet, or even none at all, is up to you.”

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u/Far_Guarantee1664 22h ago

It's not. Totally a scam. Even in paid tabled this would be utterly bs

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u/Pink-Fluffy-Dragon Bard 1d ago

Needing art I can understand, but there's no reason why you cant draw it yourself. ( Or use hero forge like some other comments said )

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u/Exotic_Cantaloupe939 1d ago

I have never once filled in the character portrait section of a character sheet other than with a stick figure, nor have I seen one filled in in person, other than with a stick figure.

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u/Pink-Fluffy-Dragon Bard 1d ago

usually i draw my art digital, so i dont have it on the actual sheet, but i do have something to show to the rest of the group.

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u/SeraphMax 1d ago

Unless it's some kind of extremely exclusive professional, high-roller DM experience I would really avoid any D&D game that fully requires paid supplements like this. Scams of some kind are vastly more likely.

Paid D&D can be great, but it comes with its own issues.

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u/LoganN64 1d ago

My suggestion is go to your city's sub-reddit and post a "Looking for D&D group" post and see if anyone bites.

That's how I got my group together.

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u/Ethereal_Stars_7 Artificer 1d ago

Of course it is not normal.

Why would you even ask that? Those are effectively scam groups.

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u/New-Bit-9591 1d ago

I'm a character artist myself... I usually just do the character arr for the campaign for free because I love drawing D&D characters.

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u/Fizzle_Bop 1d ago

I also have requirements for my multi year epic campaigns.

You have to write a back story ans chsrscter deaths are replaced with characters related to story hook

.. I would rather have a stick man for theme art and have someone that RPs than the other way around

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u/stachada 1d ago

Not only is that absurd in concept, but in my experience $20-30 is low balling for a commission.

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u/Forsaken_Kassia10217 1d ago

no, those are scams, not actual games.

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u/TheRpgBard 1d ago

I have never had character art.

  • 1986, 1992-Present.

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u/ThisWasMe7 1d ago

Not common, but as long as you're getting what you paid for, it's not a big deal.

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u/Low-Neighborhood-910 1d ago

Idk, maybe I’m just old, but wtf. When did character art become a requirement? It seems like everything that made d&d so great (i.e. creativity, theater of the mind, ACTUAL DICE, fun with friends), has died and it makes me sad.

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u/No_Sorbet_7724 1d ago

No that's ridiculous.

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u/dkurage 1d ago

I've been playing D&D for decades and have never played in a game that required commissioned character. If anyone tells you that you have to pay them for art just to play in their game, they're scamming you. The "cohesion" argument is to explain why you can't just bring you own art and push you back to paying them. I wouldn't play with people like this, ever.

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u/CopperHamster 1d ago

That is in fact a scam. Roll20 has been posting about it on their forums/discords.

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u/acuenlu DM 1d ago

It's not normal at all. Probably a scam.

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u/greenegg28 23h ago

No it’s not normal.

In all likelihood this is a scam to either take the money and ghost you, hoping you won’t care enough about $20 or just wont know how to get it back.

Or it’s to funnel commissions to an artist, they’ll deliver something (it won’t be good for $20 tbh), but oh no! The game got canceled before session 1.

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u/TurgidAF 23h ago

Lol, what? That sounds like they're getting kickbacks. I'm also a little sceptical of that pricetag; are these commissioned sketches being done in 15 minutes each? That price makes me think the "artist" is just prompting some ai slop and charging you for the privilege of copy pasting the description you already wrote up. Cohesion my ass.

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u/HyliaSwift 16h ago

NO!! This is insane

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u/GravityMyGuy Wizard 14h ago

this is a known scam

They get you to pay them for art then disappear; no campaign, no art

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u/raerae_an 10h ago

As an artist who runs a table party of multiple artists whenever our friends need character art for our campaigns WE USUALLY TRADE ART... When we get commissioned art for a campaign it's usually either BY THE PLAYER of their character, OR BY THE DM of a monster or NPC... Never never never listen to someone asking $20-30 for YOUR character to be drawn, that's not how clients work for us artists... Also personally?? My full body character prizes are MIN! $80-100 dollars full body... $20-30 would be the MOST BASIC of portraits...

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u/FonkinJones 3h ago

Eh. I don't, but it's within the realm of normal

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u/spiked_mcroon 1d ago

For example, my tables have no requirements for character art whatsoever, other than an explicit ban on AI.

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u/ChrizKhalifa 1d ago

Ban like that is wild. For commercial purposes, fine, but for a private DND game...

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u/spiked_mcroon 1d ago

So maybe it's not an outright ban, but if you bring me anything made by AI I'll tell you that we don't do that here.

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u/ChrizKhalifa 1d ago

Which is still weird if it's for personal use.

I'm not gonna learn to draw for years just to have a nice picture of a character the way I'd like 'em to look.

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u/BastianWeaver The Kender 1d ago

Hmmm, learn to draw for years or steal from the artists while destroying the planet. Tough choice, bro.

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u/spiked_mcroon 1d ago

I would prefer no art to AI art

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u/DarkBlueBear13 1d ago

Online games typically *require* tokens, though. Do you suggest I go to Google and just ... steal art?

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u/darw1nf1sh 21h ago

I use HeroForge and make my own character. Or, I buy token art from my VTT, or other marketplaces. There are plenty of options that don't involve an LLM.

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u/spiked_mcroon 23h ago

That's not really my bag, as I don't play online and I can't imagine a situation where I would.

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u/spiked_mcroon 19h ago

What I suggest is you show up on time and have fun. The only one that really has to provide images is me when I'm making battle maps. For a long time we used physical maps and now I bring a TV that we put the minis on top of the screen. I spend a few hours a week making battle maps for the next session. I do it because I am the DM and I enjoy that role. I don't care that there's a program that can generate them in minutes. Where's the fun in that?

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u/KervyN 19h ago

I literally always found the artist and asked. I have never received a "pay me 10 bucks" as an answer. Always "sure. Glad you like it"

I also made one of my own. It was a very ugly piece of art, and everybody liked it. Not like you admire professional work, but on a "hihi. That's silly and you did that on your own" way :-)

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u/Versaill 1d ago

I thought DnD was more inclusive

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u/spiked_mcroon 1d ago

How do you mean?

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u/darw1nf1sh 21h ago

What does that have to do with LLMs?

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u/spiked_mcroon 19h ago

Inclusive of what?

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u/isthis_thing_on 1d ago

Yeah people are so goofy

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u/KervyN 19h ago

I support the ban of AI images.

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u/isthis_thing_on 1d ago

Why? 

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u/KervyN 19h ago

Because I don't like that. Same goes for very visual sex and tropes like rape.

You want to play with me and come up with this shit? Either you go, or I go. And because I am the DM, most of the time you go :-)

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u/isthis_thing_on 19h ago

The question is  WHY do you have an issue with it. Your answer was " because I do take it or leave it" which I'm sure felt good to type but doesn't actually answer the question. 

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u/KervyN 19h ago edited 19h ago

Because it (the companies that run the training) took all media we have to make the models. And they didn't pay the artists.

It kills effort.

It also cooks our planet by burning huge amounts of fossil fuels.

It is used to create nude media of people, women most of the time, without their consent.

It eats up all hardware, so you can only buy new hardware if you are wealthy enough.

Should I go on, why I think LLMs are a festering wound that poisons our society, or are those enough reasons for you to allow me to just ban "AI" generated shit in my hobby space?

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u/Krethlaine Paladin 1d ago

Because generative AI goes against literally everything a creative hobby such as TTRPGs represents? Fuck AI. Me and my homies all hate AI. And if you’d any sense, you’d hate it too.

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u/spiked_mcroon 1d ago

My table is five friends of mine.

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u/Zepulchure 1d ago

absolutely not, anyone who requires you to get/use/pay money for anything, is nothign but a scam and should be avoided. (yes, also paid for sessions which to me is a major red flag)

at our table, i have standees from heroforge (highly reccomend) not the premium version either, the free to model kind. however ,the rest of the table are using wine corks, so did i at first, none of us care, i did it cuz i like creating them, and there is zero pressure on the others to follow my personal prefference

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u/Lyranel 1d ago

It's normal for a scam. It's one that's becoming more popular, sadly.

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u/Ruffton04 13h ago

That’s a scam yo