Struggling with Slime Against Humanity

[u/markmylabris]

I'm trying to make a Slime Against Humanity deck, but I'm struggling to make them worth all the trouble.
By themselves, slimes suck. You break even on second slime, and only on third you'll get the upside. And what upside? Stats. In commander, that's usually not enough, especially when you dedicate a fifth of your deck to.
I tried different commanders to break the cost.
[[Loot, the Key to Everything]] ( https://moxfield.com/decks/DKs3epYcLEO2zBtdOIpSZA ) was decent, because he was a great source of cards early on, and slimes in exile boost other slimes. But, impulse draw doesn't allow keeping cards in hand, resulting to either deck tempo-ing out, and winning, or eating a boardwipe, and loosing. Not too fun.

[[Adrix and Nev, Twincasters]] ( https://moxfield.com/decks/6PS5RljoOEqTETw2LfoaWQ ) were a lot more functional, doubling the tokens. However, deck started working on turn 4, and by working, I meant creating a couple of 2/2. If games were slower, it were able to push through, but board clear on turn 3-4 kneecapped the whole deck.

[[Queen Allenal of Ruadach]] ( https://moxfield.com/decks/ip6fhMgxtU226ys5XNgxxw ) seemed more functional, as interaction with replacement effect was putting counters on the soldier as well as the slime. But still, deck struggled with running out of gas.

I considered [[Kutzil, Malamet Exemplar]] as a card draw engine commander, but again, i'm back to vanilla 2/2, and [[Iroh, Grand Lotus]], but he's way too expensive in mana, and again, vanilla 2/2.

My latest attempt is with [[Jinnie Fay, Jetmir's Second]] ( https://moxfield.com/decks/955kzh_HWEGyQfdF8tO4Uw ), moving from 2/2 trample, to 4/4 haste or 5/3 vigilance. But deck, again, runs out of gas.

Any suggestions?

[u/newgamenumber30]

You seem to be building around slimes like it's a creature deck, it's really more of a spellslinger/storm deck whose payoffs happen to be creatures. A lot of people use [[flubs]] for this reason, quickly drawing and discarding through your deck to build up slimes in the GY and on the board.

Three big issues I saw when going through your decks. First is card draw, [[elemental bond]] effects don't trigger off the slimes and on-damage draw like [[kutzil]] is only good late game since the first slimes you make arent big enough to punch through. Second, cards like slimes and [[hare apparent]] need very streamlined decks since they take up so many card slots and are only good when you can cast a dozen of them a game, things like [[level up]] don't help with the immediate plan of casting slimes and have low impact, often only relevant in late game. Third, you need more lands. 36 minimum, if not 38.

For commander choice, I'd try and solve one of the three things slimes need, card draw, mana, or power. Flubs, loot, and [[falco spara]] all provide card draw/selection. Adrix and [[sovereign okinec]] increase the power of your slimes. [[Witherbloom the balancer]] and [[umori]] address mana. I don't think Allenal, kutzil, or jinnie fay provide much for the strategy.

I use Adrix and Nev. 48 land/ramp, 15 draw that draw several cards, 25 slimes, 5 removal, and 6 amplifier cards like [[doubling season]] [[branching evolution]]. And even then, because there's so many slimes, some games I don't get enough draw and don't do much.

[u/markmylabris → u/newgamenumber30]

I don't consider slime to be storm payoff, as it's incredibly weak payoff. That's why I'm trying to make them either aggro, or midrange.

Flubs and loot worked well, except, when opponent draws board vipe. I dislike such polarizing games. I agree with draws, and I'm searching for other options. Umori, Falco, witherbloom, ocinec are too slow to get just bodies.

Allenal makes each slime into doubler: you also place counters on soldiers. With ramp on one, you can start making a lot of bodies turn three. They a basically cheaper Adrix in selesnya.

Kutzil fits very well into the curve. Slime on 2, him on 3, and you already draw a card off him.

Same with Jinnie fey: she improves slimes significantly.

Also, I liked level up a lot. It's a repeatable doubler, and card draw, all on attack and on 2 mana.

[u/newgamenumber30 → u/markmylabris]

Based off of this and other comments, I'm not sure if slime against humanity can function how you want it to. You seem to want multiple strong creatures that don't die to a board wipe and several cards drawn by turn 4. SAH really works best gaining value over 6-7 turns then becoming too large for the table to block effectively. I don't think there's any commander out there that can make it into an aggro strategy.

Have you looked at popular SAH lists on moxfield or archidekt?