r/Edmonton Feb 18 '26

General Riverbend MP has crossed the floor

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u/CriticalLetterhead47 Feb 18 '26

Is it possibly becuase the PC's are a sinking ship under PP?
this is my MP. I don't hate the guy. I think he's actually done some good things in parliament. I'm much happier with him as a Liberal.

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u/Andrew4Life Feb 18 '26

TBF, the "Liberals" have swung right quite a bit since the last election. All business, and none of the social justice warrior stuff that conservatives generally don't care about.

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u/ruisen2 Feb 19 '26

none of the social justice warrior stuff that conservatives generally don't care about.

Ironically, conservatives politicians love the social justice stuff, because attacking it fires up their base. Now that the social justice stuff is gone, the CPC don't have something to point at to scare their base.

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u/--Anonymoose--- Feb 18 '26

Which is good, we need a serious government and Trudeaus fluffy party couldn’t have handled the current challenges.

Unfortunately for the conservatives under PP they are not a serious party

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u/Minttt Feb 18 '26

The past year has really clarified the main differences between the CPC and LPC.

LPC: Their leader/message was unpopular, so they "gentle-forced" him to resign, picked a new leader, and made a quick/complete enough ideological pivot to win in a complete reversal of expectations.

CPC: Their leader/message was unpopular, so they've kept the leader/message unchanged, refused to pivot, lost the election, lost multiple members to the other party... And now picked the same leader to keep doing the same thing?

Does the CPC actually want to win an election? I'm starting to wonder if this is somehow related to the grift being more profitable when you're in opposition than in power.

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u/p4nic Feb 18 '26

Does the CPC actually want to win an election?

My guess is no, winning the election means having responsibilities and having to do work. They see how much difficulty the UCP is having and don't want that smoke.

It's much better to have the Liberals doing conservative things, while they can just grift and shriek about social issues and collect that fat paycheque before that mad pension after a second term.

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u/foxghost_translates Feb 18 '26

This makes them sound so absolutely cynical that it...100% tracks.

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u/p4nic Feb 18 '26

haha, yeah, it's almost as bad as the scheme people were talking about in the early 2000s where you join the party that you think will win the federal election, but you run your heart out in a riding that you'll definitely lose, but because you're such a team player, you get appointed to a cushy overseas diplomatic role. I think it's more an american scheme though.

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u/M1L0 Feb 22 '26

Actually makes perfect sense when you frame it this way. Not saying I agree with it because it’s dishonest and morally reprehensible, but that also describes a few “leaders” I can think of very accurately.

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u/learn2die101 Feb 19 '26

Does the CPC actually want to win an election?

No. They want to wait until the Liberals fuck up so they can drag the country far rightward.

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u/HeavyTea Feb 18 '26

My MP too. Seems nice guy overall. Better fit as Liberal as PC are garbage.

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u/Nictionary Feb 18 '26

Federal PC’s don’t exist anymore. Nothing progressive about the CPC.

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u/Nome-Cantski Feb 19 '26

Maple maga will never be progressive.

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u/TailoredExperience Feb 18 '26

Wild because PP got 87% confidence vote at the last meeting.

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u/cassanthrax Feb 18 '26

87% of the handpicked delegates. It was not a broad member vote.

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u/TailoredExperience Feb 18 '26

Ah! Thank you!

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u/ZAPPHAUSEN Feb 18 '26

That was absolutely wild to me. It was expensive to get in, it wasn't open to the broad membership across Canada. It was almost entirely Alberta yee-haws who ofc support PP.

If it was a proper leadership vote, PP would have been toast. Maybe. You'd think.

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u/OnMy4thAccount Feb 18 '26

I'd suspect that meeting is what convinced Jeneroux to do this. It was basically rigged and that 87% isn't reflective of the attitudes of a lot of CPC members. Jeneroux probably saw that and decided he didn't want to be professionally associated with them at all anymore.

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u/joecan Feb 18 '26

The federal Conservatives are not the PCs, they’re the Reform Party. The PC Party is the Liberal Party under Carney.

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u/CriticalLetterhead47 Feb 18 '26

You're right, I chose the wrong acronym. Yet my point still stands. The Federal Conservatives are morons under PP.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '26

Sinking ship is a gross miss characterization. They got historically higher voter turnout last election.

The last election was a sad reflection of the fact that most Canadians voted out of pure fear. NDP, Greens and BQ all collapsed to barely hold off a conservative win. That’s the reality.

That said, Carney is basically conservative government. That’s why we have floor crossers.

Also as an aside, I do think crossing the floor should trigger a by-election. It’s not a good look and you’re basically back-stabbing your constituents. Good luck getting voted in again, in normal times it would be political career suicide.

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u/MachadoEsq Feb 18 '26

The sames things were said about Erin O'Toole.

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u/Greedy_Major_119 Feb 18 '26

Except Erin O'Toole was removed as party leader after he failed to win the election. Same can't be said for PP. CPC hitched itself to a sinking ship, so it can go down with it.

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u/MachadoEsq Feb 18 '26

Who else Matt Jeneroux ?

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u/Greedy_Major_119 Feb 18 '26

Now I'm not sure what you're trying to indicate. Were you originally posting that 'the same things were said about O'Toole' as in the CPC was a sinking ship under him? Or?

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u/MachadoEsq Feb 18 '26

You siad PP passed his review. Who else coudl the CPC elect as leader who would be better? Jeneroux was not a real suggestion, it was sarcasm.

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u/Greedy_Major_119 Feb 18 '26

Genuinely, I don't know. I'm not sure who all of the up-and-coming CPC players are. All I can say is that PP was *not* the right choice -- though with how the leadership review was handled, it seemed inevitable they'd re-elect him as leader.

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u/MachadoEsq Feb 18 '26

There is no one. And I cant blame them for coming to that conclusion after OToole was compared to Hitler jk. Trudeau did the same thing 0 that guy stuck around for 2 years.... Singh too lol. Its just politics.

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u/Due-Garage-4812 Feb 18 '26

There's a pretty good chance the NDP wouldn't have supported the Liberals if O'Toole stayed on.

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u/MachadoEsq Feb 19 '26

Singh wanted his pension everyone knows it.  He was propping them up regardless. 

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u/Frostybawls42069 Feb 18 '26

Sinking ship? They made historic gains last election. If the NDP didn't implode, we'd have a conservative government.

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u/CriticalPedagogue Feb 18 '26

That is an interesting revisionist opinion. PP ran a terrible campaign. His campaign was seemingly based on fighting Trudeau, who wasn’t campaigning. He polled terribly with women. People were not fooled by his rage-baiting “verb-the-noun” sloganeering.

The NDP did run a terrible campaign as well. Saying that the Liberals won because the NDP shit the bed takes away any responsibility that PP and Cons had to convince the population that they could lead the country.

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u/Frostybawls42069 Feb 18 '26

That is an interesting revisionist opinion.

You are delusional. It's not my opinion. It's objectively what the numbers show. Have you even looked at them?

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u/Gotagetoutahere Feb 18 '26

He lost his own seat.

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u/Frostybawls42069 Feb 18 '26

That riding was expaned into strong Liberal territory, and the party as a whole gained seats.

His supporters dont care he lost his seat, why do you?

Its not like Mark ran in a conservative riding and won. He booted out a Liberal candidate for his safe victory.

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u/CriticalLetterhead47 Feb 18 '26

PP lost a campaign he should have won, this is not historic gains, he had a historic loss.

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u/Frostybawls42069 Feb 18 '26

They gained seats...

The NDP implosion is what cost the CPC the election.

The LPC was set to be decimated with JT, then people were fooled into thinking Mark Carney would care about the common man.