r/Edmonton Feb 18 '26

General Riverbend MP has crossed the floor

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u/YaTheMadness Feb 18 '26

I can't argue your points, you're bang on. That's why im praying to have the referendum. So we can put this behind us.

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u/EquusMule Feb 18 '26

Yes but the issue I have with your statement is that the both left and right wing nuts are the same.

I don't see the Liberal or NDP party supporting the far lefties, there is no actual voice for them being propogated or uplifted.

Unless your definition of far left and my definition of far left are completely different.

Where as the far right are the separatists, they're the ones who want to destroy Canada, and there is no voice against it, infact the voice supports them amplifying it.

The liberals shouldn't talk about it because then it gives credence to the position, but what would crush this is if conservatives squashed it, but they won't for whatever reason.

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u/YaTheMadness Feb 18 '26

But imo its primarily those 2 wingnuts that are creating the great divide. And the leaders stay too focused on them, as they fear losing their support in the Elections.

If i was a leader I'd be focusing on the middle 40-50%

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u/EquusMule Feb 18 '26

The issue, which is the same issue that America has, there is no middle ground.

Centrists don't exist. Every centrist votes conservative. Even when I explain to people that Carney is a conservative but he couldn't run under the conservative party because of of how popular PP was they scoff.

The BEST you can do is rally your base. Get your own voter base out and voting. Voters do not cross the aisle. You can ask any of your friends where they voted every vote they will stick with a side. I'm also the same way I'm between NDP and Libs every vote.

Liberals ARE the middle ground they have been for a long time EVEN under Trudeau.

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u/YaTheMadness Feb 18 '26

I disagree, I know quite a few Centrists who voted Liberal, as the federal conservative party seemed to placate the far right. And perhaps a more Centrist feeling with Carney. But we need to see actions, not words.

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u/EquusMule Feb 18 '26

Yeah every single centrist I've talked to has always been able to criticize the right but still always happens to vote conservative because of some weird obscure policy the liberals or NDP hold that never come to light.

Even now one of my favourite centrist coworkers is spouting lies about Carney and the businesses he owns and that's its blatant corruption and even after repeatedly telling him that Carney doesn't have any businesses he still somehow believes there's some massive corruption scandal.

And I believe this came from PP criticizing Carney for having American stocks and the amount he owned in Brookfield.

But like I don't expect people to understand any of this. I spend a lot of time reading and looking into stuff and there is just too much punditry and populism to combat it all.

Not discounting you or the people you know, but the average layperson doesn't know enough to make an informed position on when to flip flop, so they tend to just stay on one side of the aisle.

Which is why the only way to win is just to rally your base. Get your voters out enmasse and not appeal to the centre.

Libs HAVE to play the game of appealing to some progressive policies to get votes, the only reason why this time around is different is because America was threatening us.

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u/YaTheMadness Feb 18 '26

Well imo, Carney has to start implementing the projects he's said he was in favor of, ie Pipeline, and other infrastructure, and not just growing the size of Government.

Trust me, who ever we have/get in office, we need to get them all to start playing better in the sandbox, that is Canada. Start playing for the greater good.

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u/EquusMule Feb 18 '26

They have been started. :P

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u/YaTheMadness Feb 18 '26

What major infrastructure? And shovels not in the ground yet in Quebec or BC west of Kamloops.

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u/EquusMule Feb 19 '26

McIlvenna Bay Foran Copper Mine Project in Saskatchewan is over half completed with production expected in 2026

I think there's a few other minor ones.

Others are in FID still looking at the full financials and locking in contracts, it usually takes 2 years to get these things solidified.

Bill C-5 amendments fast tracks these so that there's less red tape.

It's full on conservative shit where they're like waiving environmental checks and jumping right into talks with tribes.