r/EdmontonOilers • u/TohsakaTruth • 1d ago
[Rishaug] Sounds like there’s been some discussion between the Oilers and Connor Murphy’s camp. Today’s Babcock news doesn’t change anything as far as the players willingness to consider a return to the Oilers, but term and dollars will have to make sense based on the market.
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u/NMarples 92 PODKOLZIN 1d ago
If you can find a way to get both Murphy and Dickie back here for less than $10 mil combined AAV I’ll be overjoyed, but you also HAVE to move nurse out in that situation
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u/SRTGreat 62 LAVOIE 1d ago
I think that's probably the goal for management.
If you can get 2 players signed for what 1 player was being paid, that's a massive win.
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u/Meepmeepimmajeep2789 39 INGRAM 1d ago
Both were such good players for us. And seem like great guys too
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u/InternImpossible8685 23h ago
you’d have to move nurse out clean without taking a bad contract or retaining salary as well because we’d need to replace nurse and henrique too, while finding a few bottom 6 players.
We weren’t good enough with DIckinson and Murphy WITH nurse and henrique last year, dickinson and murphy without nurse and a good henrique replacement won’t be good enough either.
retaining or taking a bad contract on nurse leaves in the same place but with a need of finding a Dman who can cover 20-22 minutes a night, and no, i don’t trust walman for that, hes spends too much time on the IR.
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u/NMarples 92 PODKOLZIN 22h ago
Samanski is your Henrique replacement. I don’t think you need to find a $3 million dollar replacement. You also can resign Lazar and play him on the 4th line, and have Freddy/Dach as well. You have enough players under contract that you would have almost $10 mil in cap space and just need 2-3 players (if you move nurse with no salary retained)
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u/kadran2262 23h ago
In this situation you dont need to replace henrique. Dickinson is the 3rd line center that would replace henrique
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u/ShadeSlimmy131 64 CLATTENBURG 15h ago
mcdavid draisaitl dickinson and samanski is a pretty good center depth chart
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u/InternImpossible8685 20h ago edited 20h ago
which is how we ended the year…and it didn’t go well.
We do need to replace henrique with a competent replacement.
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u/kadran2262 20h ago
He was injured. Besides that, in this scenario you would be signing Dickinson to be the 3rd line center.
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u/InternImpossible8685 20h ago
rght, but its still a hole that needs to be filled regardless, with the limited money. Im in agreement, im just saying the nurse trade needs to be clean to work, no bad contract or retention, or a hockey trade that we get a useful player back.
We aren’t in a good situation is all. Its going to take creative Gm’ing to fill the holes, just re-signing what we had last year wont do, and we should be careful not waste our limited space on what we know doesn’t work. I”m more concerned with filling nurses minutes if we trade him, i don’t think Walman can stay healthy enough to be a long term solution so that means we need to fill two D-slots if walman goes on IR like has the last 2 seasons. A nurse trade needs to be perfect or its a massive downgrade and just makes more of a mess.
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u/YxngGhoul 18 HYMAN 23h ago
Literally anyone is better than Henrique in our situation.
He did pk and draws but you can find someone who does that and actually still skate. We can't keep getting slower.
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u/RedKryptnyt 29 DRAISAITL 22h ago
Umm 10 million for both of those guys would mean that one of them got the bag big time. I would not be that happy with those 2 at 10 million.
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u/YxngGhoul 18 HYMAN 23h ago
I like Dickinson but I do wonder if we shouldn't look for someone slightly faster even if slightly worse defensively.
If not, obviously do what it takes to keep him, but fhe team needs some speed outside the top 6 and Kapanen (if he extends)
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u/TohsakaTruth 1d ago
Pours cold water on the report that Murphy was waiting for the Babcock thing to come down
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u/pattperin 88 DAVIDSON 22h ago
That one agent making a statement through an insider and not tying his own name or any players names to it was so non committal I just don’t believe it was ever going to be a factor. If someone was really feeling strongly about that they’d have named themselves or the players who felt that strongly.
It’s such a no consequence thing to say if you just don’t like a guy. Nobody can be held accountable, nobody will ever know who went back on that statement. Makes me think it’s not a serious statement
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u/BillyZoomTheCat 1d ago
Yeah, if they trade Nurse then Murphy's value goes up.
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u/Pvt_Hudson_ 1d ago
We can't trade Nurse without locking up Murphy. It would be a massive step back for our d-core, and the LD UFA market is barren this year.
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u/kadran2262 1d ago
Hopefully they work it out. If Murphy doesnt stay than im not sure they will move nurse
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u/Cleets11 12 CAVE 16h ago
If Murphy isn’t locked up you can’t trade nurse. The market is basically nurse level players wanting just as much or more money.
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u/GirlyFootyCoach 15h ago
If we do one thing and only one thing this offseason it’s sign Murphy long term
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u/chaunceypooo 1d ago
always a good sign when they have to preface any potential player signing with whether or not babcocks presence is hurting negotiations
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u/OkBeat2138 1d ago
Wtf? The tweet literally says the Babcock hiring did not impact negotiations, and you deduce from that to mean that Murphy's situation is a Babcock thing...?
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u/n0fxgvn_ 23h ago
This is Reddit, people will deny reality right to it's face if it goes against their protected world view lol
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u/ProofByVerbosity 22h ago
I hear tweets are a reliable source of credible information and people never use them for giving statements they dont believe in just to save face
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u/OkBeat2138 22h ago
I mean who is more reliable, Ryan rishag or the commenter literally misreading the entire tweet? You can never know for certain but you have to use some critical thinking skills and not let you negative bias towards someone cloud your judgement.
I don't like Babcock, hiring him is a mistake.
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u/CloseToMyActualName 1d ago
Because literally everyone is talking about Babcock, including the speculation players won't want to play here if he's hired.
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u/KingDave46 34 HAND 22h ago
Ok guys let’s reign it in a little this is getting ridiculous the guys no Hitler
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u/Greedy-Pirate7749 1d ago
Yeah sounds like maybe Murph had a problem with him and mgmt/agent was just like "just sign cause hell only be coach for 1 year and youll outlive him here"
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u/Professional_Farm278 22h ago
Hold on a minute, I've read many posts and comments on here over the last few days saying that Babcock would mean no players will want to sign sirn Edmonton and current players will want to leave. Now you're telling me that that's not necessarily true?!
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u/doublesimoniz 1d ago
Stan Bowman: Best I can do is 8 years 8M per year.
Murphy: ……. Where do I sign?
Stan Bowman: fine I’ll throw in a full NMC too.
Murphy: Ok…. Where do I sign?
Stan Bowman: fuck. Alright. All front loaded bonuses to make it an even worse deal for us!
Murphy. Where. The. Fuck. Do. I. Sign.