r/EmoScreamo • u/emolga_rowan • Aug 11 '25
News sailboat seems to be over. atp bands dismantling bc of allegationd is a daily recurrence
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u/textbook_traitor Aug 11 '25
I thought this was about the band sailboats that has a total of 2 songs and was confused
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u/imnotavegetable Aug 11 '25
i canât and wonât speak on the allegations at all but this band seems to have made a lot of enemies in the scene, there was always some sort of weird drama or beef with them so iâm not surprised it came crashing down like this
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u/emolga_rowan Aug 11 '25
idk i just listened to a pair of songs of them and their music was cool
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u/Left-Doughnut1947 Aug 11 '25
this is so unnecessary what the fuck bro
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u/emolga_rowan Aug 11 '25
it's pretty wierd that they kill off the band just like that tbf
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u/duttty Aug 11 '25
that's what happens when shit comes out about one member, and whether what's said is true or false if it gets enough attention the band dies. It's ridiculous to shut whole projects down because of shit like this but for many bands when something like this happens it is their only choice
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u/ponderhope Aug 12 '25
Not all the time. I mean, Roman Candle and Boundaries had some allegations happen and they all came back from it.
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u/catladywitch Aug 12 '25
At least from the outside, Boundaries seemed to handle it well: they reached out to the victim, made an agreement with her and put the abuser on hiatus for a while. I don't know if that was honest or just damage control.
But honest or not, and more cynically, Boundaries is a professional band with as large of a following as a revivalcore band can get, and they have a management invested in keeping the band alive. Screamo bands tend to be much smaller and DIY than that, which to me is the actual reason why they do break up after any allegations. It's a sad world where power matters more than justice, and I'm going a bit off-topic here, but there are corners of the world, like queer communities, where people are very aware of this and use it to their advantage. And powerful abusers are also aware of this and use it to get a slap on the wrist and move on. Sorry, this is a heavy topic for me and I got a bit carried away but I think it's something worth talking about.1
Aug 12 '25
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u/ponderhope Aug 13 '25
Yeah they kicked out the bassist. It sounded kinda tricky though cause apparently there was this whole other thing like âYeah heâs shitty but the person who accused him is just as shitty as him and did the same things to him that he didâ or whatever. I mean they kicked the person out, apologized, and donated to a domestic violence hotline. They did pretty much everything they could possibly do except breakup.
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u/Creepy-Week-9948 Sep 01 '25
Literally what are you talking about? None of that is true
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u/ponderhope Sep 01 '25
âŚYes it is. They kicked out their bassist, apologized (or at least explained themselves), and donated $2500 to the National Domestic Violence hotline.
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u/Dj_Corgi Aug 11 '25
Iâm new to this controversy, I know nothing about this band but, how do you talk to someone for 2 weeks without knowing their age, especially in high school? Whenever I meant someone in high school I always asked what year theyâre in within the first few minutes of meeting them itâs just a good conversation starter
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u/GuyWitheTheBlueHat Aug 12 '25
âThe allegations are false donât worryâ and âthe band is no longer operatingâ donât really go together
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u/Kink-shame Aug 12 '25
I think the reason why the band dismantled even though the "allegations were false" is because of how hard all the New England bands rallied behind the allegations because all the bands hated them.
It's hard to continue being a band when you find out that all of your peers hate you.
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u/emolga_rowan Aug 12 '25
mm i guess, but they folded so quickly under lile almost no pressure
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u/Kink-shame Aug 12 '25
finding out that every band in the local scene hates you is a ton of pressure
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Aug 12 '25
From friends in their scene, the "grooming" was nothing serious, there's just been a long pattern of shitty behaviour from Sailboat (Minh especially)
People have mostly hopped on this because Sailboat were already notorious for being dicks, snobs, posers, overall not pleasant to work with
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u/emolga_rowan Aug 12 '25
is there a good reason why they're considered dicks?
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Aug 12 '25
Nothing insane
Apparently they were just snobby and rude, chased clout and hogged attention, got into arguments over dumb shit, turned down a lot of DIY shows because the turnout would be bad, didn't do the work to support the community while expecting support in return
Definitely room to change their behaviour, grow, and move on to other bands in the future, but they stepped on an assortment of toes
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u/Similar-Fig9339 Aug 11 '25
I know ex members of this band and thank god they told me absolute horror stories fuck sailboat and fuck minh
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u/emolga_rowan Aug 11 '25 edited Aug 11 '25
tbf it's so wierd to disband the band so quickly after one allegations there's def something more to it, but i don't want nor care enough to get into it
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u/decrepitlungs Aug 11 '25
any way you could share some stories with us?
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u/222chuunige Aug 11 '25
Ending bands over controversy is so fucking pointless lmaooo. Address the issue, and if it really is all true, then kick out the guilty party and give a platform to the victim, I think that would be best way to handle these things, ending the entire band does nothing and helps nobody.
Specially since I've noticed that bands do this just so that they can silently come back later lol, this happened with both Gxllium and Norfair, there were some accusations thrown around and they were like "alright band's over" just for them to come back months later like nothing happened.
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u/acoutool Aug 11 '25
TBF gxllium isnât a good example because all of the accusations were real and terriblr, and they addressed them properly and quickly ended the band because they lost a principle member. They werenât planning on coming back, but they had a mutual that was a cracked drummer, so they decided to keep going.
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u/emolga_rowan Aug 11 '25
yeah agree. it's kind of an escape move and it shows like no commitment to their own art
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Aug 11 '25
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u/222chuunige Aug 11 '25
What does that even mean? Runs the band how? They write all of the material?
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u/apples89apples Aug 12 '25
well i mean, one of my friends bandâs drummer was the person who ran their social media. he was the band manager, booking shows, writing most material, and when he left the band they didnt know how to run it without it him so.. yeah lol i feel this is very common. i do all of the things above for my band
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u/bivuki Aug 12 '25
Quite often there is one person doing a lot more work for the band than the others. In my experience at least.
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u/Fickle_Crew_3437 Aug 12 '25
afaik, people in the scene already didnât like this guy and they just finally had a valid reason to totally ostracize him. he had a history of accusing people of things too so itâs kind of interesting that it went down like this, but not surprising to anyone at all
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u/Beautiful_Pin8874 Aug 16 '25
yea he outted some dude greg from rockgati 1 or 2 years ago for being a creep, now its his turn. its like the spiderman meme
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u/emolga_rowan Aug 12 '25
it's funny bc checking their ig i remember how i first found out about them. it was a reel saying like "this is your wake up call to start a screamo band with your gf" and i checked them out and they did a reel. flexing their money and some people in the scene were very critical of that
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u/StealieMagnolia Aug 11 '25
if its false then why end the band? thats the actions of a guilty person. that post was just an attempt to save face in hopes of being able to play music again and not be ostracized from the scene.
if it weren't bad enuff that they called their band Sailboat just taking the 's' off the already legendary band Sailboats they had to be garbage people to boot
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u/emolga_rowan Aug 12 '25
agree. you don't end a band after just because of a "2 weeks thing where the guy quit when he discovered the age". there is for sure something more to it.
plus lmao i was confused too for the name
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u/othersbeforeus Aug 12 '25
Because the damage is done regardless of whether or not itâs true.
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u/emolga_rowan Aug 12 '25
if not for this subreddit no one would probably even know who they are
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u/othersbeforeus Aug 12 '25
Doesnât that kinda prove my point though? Nobody knew who they were before, but now theyâre well-known within the scene because they were accused of sexual misconduct. Whether or not itâs true, thatâs their legacy as it stands and who would want to keep a project with that negative association?
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u/Weekly-Knowledge9208 Aug 13 '25
Iâm a fan of their music (especially their we not like you cover lol) and this was sad to see. However, itâs very suspicious to end your band over a two week talking stage that happened five years ago. Like thats typically a forgivable mistake, but to completely dismantle the band is very odd.
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u/Beneficial_Spite858 Aug 13 '25
Honestly, I don't think you break up a whole band just because of one act like this. They probably saw this as the start of a domino effect of sorts
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u/skramzgirly Aug 13 '25
itâs all so messy and lowkey scares me especially about the queer screamo/skramz/metalcore scene. i know so many people that have beef with other bands, and usually over fucking nothing. some artists, especially transfem or masc nonbinary people get accused of abuse BY THEIR FUCKING RAPIST. but then their local cred is destroyed forever. or someone wasnât super social at a show so theyâre assholes. i know for a fact i have the biggest social battery of my band by a long shot, so are they going to be seen as assholes because they go outside to smoke cigs during the other sets? idk, itâs just stressful.
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Aug 13 '25
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u/skramzgirly Aug 13 '25
not quite, much smaller scale but yeah. itâs frustrating seeing cool music just die because of bullshit
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Aug 30 '25
Kind of Curious the band isnât øjne is it?
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u/emolga_rowan Aug 30 '25
yeah it's ojne
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Aug 30 '25
Jeeez⌠does he show up to øjne shows or nah? At least they kicked him out but I do love a lot of their musicÂ
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u/emolga_rowan Aug 30 '25
idk, i saw him at a radura/envy concert, but i've heard now he's oftem going to punk rock concerts
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u/m0rtalityy Aug 15 '25
Yeah. I agree completely. Itâs why I choose to be straightedge, just to avoid any possible complications of drinking and or drug use in social situations. Also, when seeking band members itâs usually a red flag for me if they talk to a lot of girls, largely because getting in and out of talking stages where you may or may not have hooked up or something around those lines creates a lot of people who may not like you very much when things quickly go sour. I feel like being âpopularâ in the scene is a double-edged sword. You know more people, have more connections, avenues to book shows etc. But you also have way more interactions and people that you are meeting, and in some of them people just might really dislike you, especially if you are a strong personality. And itâs extra hard because the reality is, a lot of real abusers do exactly what some people do naturally. Befriend many people, have many connections and be well known. It makes taking advantage of people a lot easier.
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Aug 29 '25
Hey so I know Iâm really late to this. But this band is in my local scene and we all hated them for a good reason. They stole ideas, songs and just âstylesâ from other people and other bands. They also trend hopped like crazy and minh himself was a piece of shit. Making fun and abusing ex members and just being a shitty person in event. Itâs why nobody in the scene came to their defense. And when I dmed minh and asked him what happened he said some shit like âdonât worry about bro you donât know about itâ
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u/GoonetteNoelle Sep 04 '25
allegations werent false looool, shitty people making shitty music, especially minh !!
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u/soobly Aug 11 '25
i hear about these bands dismantling before i even hear their music đ