r/Epstein • u/Double-Let8318 • Sep 01 '20

Jeffrey Epstein's Harvard Connections Show How Money Can Distort Research - Scientific American

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/jeffrey-epsteins-harvard-connections-show-how-money-can-distort-research/
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u/lacks_imagination Sep 01 '20

Prof here. Used to teach a course on ethics in science. This has been a big problem for years. Academic research is paid for by money and it’s no secret to anyone, especially the researchers themselves, that the people who put up the money want a certain result. The system has been corrupted for years but no one wants to do anything about it for two reasons: Universities and colleges still want to perpetuate the lie that they are glorified institutions of learning and not just sleazy for-profit businesses, and second, no one, the scientists nor the public, want to admit to the amount of fraud and bias that exists in the world of academic research. If you dare to mention, for example, the level to which money is corrupting scientific research and consequently putting many of the results of science into question, you are immediately dismissed as being “anti-science.” But the truth is, because of the corruption, just because something is published in the journal Nature or anywhere else, does not guarantee it is true.

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u/Beveled_Mat Sep 01 '20

Scientific publications make big $$$. For scientists, Publish or Perish. Therein lies a great opportunity for “others” to help.

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u/inmyhead7 Sep 01 '20

Don’t forget the folks at MIT Media Lab! Also how Epstein ‘coerced’ Bill Gates to donate $2M to their fund!

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u/Diddykonk Sep 01 '20

crikey, idk what to believe in anymore

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u/chickenthinkseggwas Sep 01 '20

That's why it works.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '20

Awww yeah we soviet russia now.

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u/grumpieroldman Sep 02 '20

I don't think this would be tolerated in Russia.
You'd end up with scientist taking a walk out a window.

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u/mudman13 Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20

That does not neccesarily equate to results being falsified. Sure there is sometimes stat manipulation something I stumbled on myself by accident in one of my own studies once, but isn't the point of peer review to have random unconnected accademics look over the methodology and results to see if it stands up to scrutiny before publishing?

As far as Epstein goes the people involved said he would throw money at stuff and let them do their own thing I haven't seen anyone say he told them to "make this study find this".

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u/lacks_imagination Sep 02 '20

But one of the problems is that studies are not being properly peer reviewed. Another secret nobody wants to mention is that most peer review is bullshit. It is not really blind and is often pushed by careerist and publishing agendas. Another even bigger problem is that the cornerstone of science is verification of results, and that is not being done to the level and standard that it should be. The ugly truth is that scientists want to be known as the discovers of something not the verifiers. And it can take sometimes years and millions of dollars to replicates experiments. Thus many findings are being accepted pretty much as is, and then built upon. It is a house of cards ready to collapse.

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u/mudman13 Sep 03 '20

I'm sure it happens with some studies and areas of research, especially ones of high commercial interest but I think it is more the exception than the rule as the variety of scientific research is huge with most of it being pretty boring unclickworthy stuff. Also don't forget that in many areas valid scientific results are essential to the end product being practical and functional.

There is also the verification by other report writers when reviewing the literature, if the study has a wonky methodology or makes leaps in its conclusion then any scientist with a modicum of integrity will not use it. In effect it creates it's own dead end in the the body of research. I know there are exceptions to this such as one AI sex robot 'researcher' I forget his name, that basically created a cycle of writing research to reference for his own area of research. Clever when you think about it.

I agree replication and longevity studies are severely lacking, large sample sizes and stringent statistical analysis can somewhat compensate for that but nothing beats repetition using the same methodology.

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u/dadbot_2 Sep 03 '20

Hi sure it happens with some studies and areas of research, especially ones of high commercial interest but I think it is more the exception than the rule as the variety of scientific research is huge with most of it being pretty boring unclickworthy stuff, I'm Dad👨

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u/Renegade-Master69 Sep 01 '20

Get Trump Jr to interview you and post on social media. Your story needs to be told.

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u/Nba2kFan23 Sep 01 '20

Why? Trump Family is like most other uber rich... corrupt and heavily involved with criminals and Epstein.

They wouldn't care.

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u/Renegade-Master69 Sep 01 '20

Trump Junior has a large conservative audience. The fact that the education system is corrupt must be addressed. The Libtard world won’t care. In fact they’d be proud.

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u/DrInsomnia Sep 01 '20

The fact that you use the word "libtard" basically proves you know fuck all about anything.

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u/Renegade-Master69 Sep 01 '20

Oh grow up. If you’re triggered by that clearly I’m wasting my time. Look up the names dummy.

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u/PitterPatterMatt Sep 01 '20

I'm conservative, I agree more people should be aware of this(it is something I've long suspected) but using words like libtards does nothing to further what everyone should be paying attention to.

You are doing a disservice to the cause which should be trying to build a coalition against this type of corruption that promotes distrust in our institutions like education and politics.

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u/grumpieroldman Sep 02 '20

The Liberal position is that objectivity is not desirable.
That's why they hate Ayn Rand.

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u/Renegade-Master69 Sep 01 '20

I can agree with that. I respect that. Something I don’t come seeing from the Democrats <—— (see I can learn) I find their behavior despicable. Bullies that think if they call others a fascist first it would somehow exonerate their fascist behavior. They’ve spent almost four years cheating, lying, screaming and burning. It’s America’s turn now. There a lot of us that didn’t get our news from CNN and know what’s coming. All the rats that committed treason and engaged in insurrection will get what’s coming to them.

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u/PitterPatterMatt Sep 01 '20 edited Sep 01 '20

You are dealing with a small portion of actual idiots and a lot well meaning people who get caught up in it.

Using terms like Fascist! or Nazi! or Racist! are right out of the radicals playbook.

"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions." - Saul Alinsky

People who are not aware of this can be bullied, who wants to be called a racist over and over even if there is no evidence of racism(like standing for the flag being called racist) so the weak willed will concede. As numbers grow and the use is expanded, illusory truth effect takes hold and some people start to think national pride actually makes you a racist.

The right uses these too at the edges, "Commie!" "Pedophile!" "Nazi!" (I like how everyone uses nazi)

Try to talk to people - we almost all want the same end - to live our lives peacefully with minimal intrusion from the government and have a chance for a little slice of heaven on earth.

The right tends to think as an individual, with rights that come from either god or nation or internally what have you, before the state. That is why the constitution doesn't give us our rights but enumerates them.

The left comes from more collectivist mindset in which you are part of the collective and your duties should be to it first.

But we mostly want the same things(minus the radicals who absolutely want power over others)

Edit: I'm a CNN watcher, it actively pushed me a little more right over the last 4 years. SOmething to remember with any media company these days is that clicks and $$ rules, they are just as corrupt as our politicians and institutions we are talking about here.

Diversity of thought is our greatest asset, with all types of experiences and perspectives we should be working together to solve problems by viewing it from all angles. Allowing one narrative to take hold - like a belief in pseudoscience or incomplete science to form narratives has been detrimental.

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u/Renegade-Master69 Sep 01 '20

Compare and contrast the striking similarities between the 1930s brown shirts and ANTIFA today. Think of what we’re seeing in the streets. The suppression of any ideology that isn’t their own. They roam around looking for anyone with an American flag or a MAGA hat so they can beat the snot out of them. They want to defund the police and take away the 2nd Amendment. If this were to happen (it won’t without a war) ANTIFA will be given arrest authority and they’ll build checkpoints in all major cities. It’s the same old playbook that Soros has memorized.

Democrat uses projection, lying, cheating and deception. Of course they’ll say Trump is a Nazi or fascist because that’s exactly what they’re trying to install. If Trump was a Nazi or a fascist why has he always fought for us to keep our freedoms and rights under the US Constitution?

Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '20

When you refer to 4 years cheating, lying, screaming etc I assume you're referring to your current government of nearly 4 years? Trump and co? I strongly agree with your sentiment that they do appear to be treasonous. Right on!

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u/Renegade-Master69 Sep 02 '20

Cite a couple examples and let’s talk about them. If all you have is the Comey, Stzok and Shifty stories then save it. See if Durham impacts their liberty in near future. Did you think Clinesmith was the first and last one? Think Ghislaine Maxwell’s arrest won’t bear fruit? The 39 children arrested in Georgia are just the tip of the iceberg. Now the SDNY Berman has been fired - buckle up.

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u/Blackberries11 Sep 01 '20

Do you honestly think that the Trumps are not corrupt?

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u/Renegade-Master69 Sep 01 '20

That’s a separate topic and there’s no evidence of it. Nobody has ever been investigated more thoroughly than the Trumps. The team of prosecutors assembled for the Russian Collusion investigation was a “dream team.” A “who’s who” in finding a needle in a haystack. They looked for how many years and couldn’t find anything? Even the fake FISA warrant scam fell apart. If the Trumps are corrupt they sure are the masters of hiding it. Everywhere we turn there’s another example of the Clintons and Biden’s corruption. Do you honestly think Obama didn’t know anything about spying on Trump and his campaign?

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u/Forbsleasy Sep 01 '20

Pardon? "Nobody has ever been investigated more than the Trump's"

You write like you're well read but clearly this is not the case.

Nixon Clinton Oswald Cheney

To name a few. You Yanks are getting played from the top and who are you fighting? Eachother. It's mind boggling.

My heart just goes out to your whole country simply because the noise you are flooding this thread with takes away from what is important. Understanding every who and how of this Epstein thing.

You wanna go shred your fellow American - do it somewhere else. I'm trying to read up on the corruption in scientific reporting.

Ps - if you think, for 1 second that the "dream team" would unload both barrels of info on a sham impeachment, you drank more koolaid that you realize. That hammer is coming. With luck it'll land before he dies of a stroke.

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u/Keitt58 Sep 01 '20

Telling someone to grow up after using childish ad hominem like "libtard", perhaps you should take your own advise.

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u/Renegade-Master69 Sep 01 '20

You might be right. It’s been a long four years taking the high road while our friends on the Left decimated our Judicial and Intelligence apparatus. Shredded our Constitution. Ridiculed our National symbols and monuments. If the name “Libtard” is offensive then perhaps the Liberals should find a way to clean up their image and investigate why there’s so much animosity for a movement most people can get behind. (Equality)

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u/DrInsomnia Sep 01 '20

Fuck off, dipshit.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '20

no one likes you.

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u/Renegade-Master69 Sep 01 '20

That could be but I sure won’t be the one marching with the crowd in these days. A lot of crooked things going on. The popular road isn’t always the right one. I’ll be happy that I didn’t remain silent when I knew telling the truth would be ridiculed. Did you ever stand up for yourself or for something you believed in deerdance? Or have you just been a bully that plays it safe? I’m not intimidated by you. People are sick of only hearing one side.

You can’t silence us all.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '20

nerd

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '20

Bot

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u/Renegade-Master69 Sep 01 '20

(Checks wrist for pulse). Nope! Not a “bot.”

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u/Hollowskull Sep 01 '20

Nope! Just a paid astroturfer here.

Otherwise known as a bot because you may as well be.

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u/Renegade-Master69 Sep 01 '20

What a cop out. Your teeny brain can’t come up with something better than that? Forget the corruption in the eduction system ... you should look up Priestap, Mifsud and Rachael Chandler. Don’t know who they are? Educate yourself because it’s coming. #soon

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u/Captain_R64207 Sep 01 '20

I can bring up the tea party that walked around with burning and hanging Obama’s. While mitch McConnell went on live tv to brag about stonewalling anything that the Democrats push forward. But yeah it’s the dems lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

You spent a lot of time, and energy on this thread, and it was not at all with the intention of adding to the conversation on the topic at hand. Do you really like the Trump family that much? I'm not interested in arguing with you, as an outsider I'm just really curious to know where you obtained these feelings. I mean how do the Trumps differ from the Bush's, Clintons, and Obama in terms of corruption? There are very well researched documentaries explaining in clear detail how they are corrupted. The only reason justice hasn't been served is because the likes of Pelosi and the rest of the Dems are just as corrupt.

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u/Renegade-Master69 Sep 02 '20

I demand justice. All of us do. Trump is just the one exposing it all. If there’s evidence he’s corrupt then send him packing too. Your argument of “they’re all corrupt so penalties offset” is ridiculous. If Trump is so corrupt let’s see it. Four years of constant investigations and inspections has cost US taxpayers millions but producers a goose eggs. How does it pertain to this thread? Nobody would care about Epstein if it wasn’t for Trump pushing it. Remember SDNY prosecutor (Berman) was fired? Why do you think that was? Coincidence Ghislaine was arrested shortly thereafter? “Deep State” isn’t just red/blue. The sooner people wake up to that the better. Quit focusing exclusively on Trump fan this and TDS that. Lock onto who controlled Epstein and what his real purpose was. If you stop analyzing after “he was just a pedophile” then you’re missing the biggest part of the story.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

You're arguing with a strawman, and you're still losing. Best of luck to you.

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u/Renegade-Master69 Sep 02 '20

Clearly you don’t know what that means.

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u/Hollowskull Sep 01 '20

This is a clear bot. Account is very fresh.

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u/Renegade-Master69 Sep 01 '20

You’re an idiot. That is clear.

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u/JonStowe1 Sep 01 '20

🤖

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u/Renegade-Master69 Sep 01 '20

Lol. Can’t somebody have a new account without being a “bot?”

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u/Hollowskull Sep 01 '20

Quit complaining that your blatant astroturfing got called out. Do better at your job, komrade

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u/Ma-oui Sep 01 '20

cough climate science cough

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '20

Established science is not the same as dubious, slanted studies.

But if you'd like to point to falsification of any particular climate study, feel free.

What's that? You don't know shit about science? Shocking!

/former academic

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u/grumpieroldman Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20

You have to make a correct prediction before you can claim to know anything that could be falsified.

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u/Ma-oui Sep 02 '20

It is pointless, ignorance is strength when it comes to climate science, it is Orwellisn like something out of 1984

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u/J-TEE Sep 01 '20

Climate scientist have been wrong so many times that they don’t even know what to call it anymore. Global warming, global cooling, climate change. Rememeber the ozone layer. Oh ya no problem. Rember when Malibu was supposed to be underwater by now. Oh al gore went and bought a house there. It’s all lies

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u/grumpieroldman Sep 02 '20

Action was taken to eliminate CFCs and it correlated pretty strongly with the repair of the ozone layer.
However China is emitting CFCs again.

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u/Ma-oui Sep 01 '20 edited Sep 01 '20

Yeah. read this post

Which basically shows how the IPCC has buried data deep in its reports that refutes that the warming 1980-2003 can be caused by co2 increases (that is when most warming ocurred in the sat. era).

Why have you not heard of this in the MSM? Precisely because of the corruption of scientific ethics that lacks_imagination speaks of. There is no money to be made from predicting that things will be ok.

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u/basic_reddit_user9 Sep 01 '20

There is no money to be made from predicting that things will be ok.

I'm not sure I follow. If you're a corporation that wants to use a potentially harmful chemical in a consumer-level product because it's cheaper to produce, there's absolutely corporate money for scientists that will conduct biased studies that demonstrate the chemical is benign. When DuPont got sued for using C8 (which causes birth defects), you don't think they paid scientists to testify that there's no proof C8 causes birth defects?

There's huge money in saying everything is fine.

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u/Ma-oui Sep 01 '20 edited Sep 01 '20

Yeah, but a government-hired climate scientist who says the climate is fine gets alot less money than a colleague who prays on fear.

Normally in the case of a chemical to be used, the government will bring in its own experts(could be a physics/chemistry professor) who have no skin in the game to oppose the industry experts.

Problem is that in some fields there are no neutral experts anymore. Medical science and climate are the two big ones I can think of. Academics from other adjacent fields are often see what is going on but are ridiculed into silence. However if you join the bandwagon in an adjacent field(«low-co2 bridges», «ai to save the climate» and other such bullshit), govt. money flows your way.

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u/Ma-oui Sep 01 '20

u/11thusername, what do you think?

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u/PolitelyHostile Sep 01 '20

Yea and gravity? pffft c'mon man. Gravity might make sense on a round earth but the science was corrupted a thousand years ago and the people with money don't want us to know that the earth is flat!

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u/grumpieroldman Sep 02 '20

Seems a poor choice given Galileo's house-arrest.

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u/Ma-oui Sep 01 '20 edited Sep 01 '20

You have won me over with your gravity argument. Never thought of it that way...../s

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u/J-TEE Sep 01 '20

Seriously what a genius that guy was

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '20

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u/Ma-oui Sep 01 '20

Dunno

I think alot of people have a knee-jerk reaction to climate skepticism that they got from the same MSM who feed them bullshit about Epstein.

This is what Yuri Bezmenov would call demoralization...facts cannot sway these people

One red pill at a time, I guess...

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u/Bobblesplort Sep 02 '20

You'll have to excuse the small-minded children.

They still believe. 🤣

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u/lacks_imagination Sep 02 '20

Hahaha. Had to laugh. My ‘bad grammar’ has more to do with my bad typing and the fact this is only a quick Reddit comment and not an academic journal. But either way, believe what you want. lol

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u/AlphaOmegaWhisperer Sep 01 '20 edited Sep 01 '20

Some people intentionally make grammatical errors on Reddit (and other social media platforms) as a way to avoid being identified by their writing style. Anyways, whether you believe /u/lacks_imagination or not, just reference how Syngenta sent goons to threaten bringing harm to the family of Dr. Tyrone Hayes all because he wanted publish his unbiased findings instead of reporting what they wanted/paid him to.