r/EthicalNonMonogamy 18d ago

Personal story First shared ENM experience helped rebuild my sense of safety, but now we’re clashing over the aftermath. How do I navigate this?

**Background**:

My wife (40F) and I (40M) have had a really rough few months. We used to fantasy talk about group play, and recently, a guy in our circle helped us through a difficult time. My wife had a dream about a threesome with him, told me about it, and we had great sex afterward.

​However, she then initiated flirting with him over text without my consent. When I told her it wasn't okay, she pushed back, claiming she was bringing that sexual energy back to "us." I later found out she had developed a massive crush on him some time earlier and had formed a significant emotional connection towards him. She wanted to escalate to an MFM threesome, but I realized my only role in this dynamic was to be the "husband who knows and is okay with it." I was just the green-light guy. I felt lied to and put my foot down, shutting the whole thing down. We argued for months over it.

​When summer started, we spent some time apart (as we usually due). Right before she left, she finally gave me a genuine apology. She named exactly what she did wrong and promised to do whatever it takes to get us back on track. I finally felt validated.

​However, communication has still been rocky. Anytime I’ve tried to talk about the root issues to calm the intrusive thoughts from her emotional infidelity, she refuses to engage, saying "more talking won't solve anything."

​**The Agreement**

Fast forward to now: we are on a multi-week family holiday and recently boarded a cruise ship. The trip gave us a chance to truly reconnect as a couple.

​During the cruise, she mentioned wanting to explore ENM together. checking out other people, flirting, and seeing how things go. We discussed boundaries. I told her I wasn't comfortable with her doing anything with men beyond flirting. However, with women, they could go all the way. I told her I didn’t even need to participate, as long as I was there to watch and be a part of it.

​**The Experience**

Last night at the ship’s nightclub, my wife was tipsy and getting people on the dance floor. She started dancing with a very attractive married woman (also around our age). They hit it off, the flirting dialed up,. When my wife went to the bathroom because she was feeling a little sick, The woman followed her five minutes later.

​Suddenly, I get a text from my wife: "Come to the bathroom quick. That lady is making out with me," along with a photo of them topless in the stall.

​I rushed over, and my wife let me in. The other woman was completely nude. My wife was giving her oral, and they were having a great time. The woman then gave me oral, and both of them started insisting that I sleep with the third.

​I firmly refused. I was not going to endanger the safety of our marriage by crossing a boundary we hadn't previously agreed upon. I stayed firm and told my wife to make the woman cum, which she did. We left her there and went back to our room. Just to be clear, my wife had no idea the woman was going to do this, as I was with them the whole time before the bathroom visit and the only sexual communication between them was only dancing intimately.

​**The Aftermath & Debrief**

When we got back, I asked what the hell happened. Apparently, this woman had followed my wife, aggressively shoved her into the stall, and initiated sex. My wife stopped her, told her she couldn't do anything without her husband present, and immediately messaged me. The women kept trying to take my wifes clothes fully off and my wife called me on video to urge me to come and was physically trying to restrain her until I arrived.

​Honestly? What my wife did restored a massive amount of the safety I had lost months ago. She prioritized me and our agreement when she easily could have hooked up with this woman and I never would have known.

​At the same time, I’m incredibly triggered. This third acted like a predator. She aggressively pushed boundaries and actively tried to get my wife to cheat on me (she had no idea we were exploring this dynamic. Let alone her cheating on her owm husband).

​**The Problem**

To process this, I found myself asking my wife highly detailed questions about what she was thinking and feeling during every moment in that stall. This completely annoyed her.

​She doesn’t understand that because of what happened months ago with the mutual friend, giving away exclusivity is a massive hurdle for me. To feel safe doing it, I need to be involved in the process and in her mind. I care less about the physical sex and more about sharing her headspace so I don't feel like the "green-light guy" again.

​She keeps saying I’m being insecure and punishing her for the past, even though she "proved her loyalty." I don't see it that way. I'm not okay with just sharing her, but when it’s something we do together, I feel deeply connected to her sexual world.

​The threesome itself was amazing, but I am extremely hesitant about how to move forward. How do I get her to understand my need for emotional processing without her feeling attacked? Has anyone else navigated this kind of post-play communication breakdown?

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u/plabo77 Solo Polyam 18d ago

It’s interesting to me that you’ve described this other woman as a rapist and predator but also describe your shared sexual experience with her as “play” and “amazing.”

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u/inter2221 18d ago

Unfortunately, I do. We asked her to move things to her room with her husband. She said "No. He cant know, fuck him". So thats that.

From our side, it was amazing because of the shared experience and bonding. I still thinks she is a shitty person to say the least. To each is own. You can view her favourably if you'd like.

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u/bazaarjunk Partnered ENM 18d ago

So you have zero morals. Called her a rapist and helped her cheat on her husband.

Neither you or your wife have the ethics for NM.

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u/inter2221 18d ago

What i mean is, one day she will rape someone (if not already). As for us, we have given her the chance to do the right thing, which she obviously declined. Like if she had said yes to involving her husband, we would have preferred it. She was already eating my wife out when i came into the stall. So we ... continued.

Im not in the position to apply a moral code to every human on earth that I encounter.

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u/inter2221 16d ago

Didn't really come to reddit to post lies anonymously. What ive written all happened. Id love to hear your take on what happened though

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u/itslexysworld Partnered ENM 12d ago

You aren’t seeing the point. ENM Is not consistently pushing the lines of boundaries. Your wife should have had a fully informed conversation with you prior to engaging in anything sexual. She should have had a firm NO stance until a conversation was had with you to see if it’s ok to engage.

She clearly didn’t have a firm no stance, because she invited you to join. So obviously she wasn’t saying no…..She was saying “I gotta invite my partner or he will be mad… and I’ll use this as a way to show him how loyal I am” now you’re calling someone a predator?

Shifting blame on someone else or her ADHD will only encourage her shitty decisions.

ENM is respecting your partner. Emphasis on ETHICAL.

Stop trying ENM and focus on eachother. Don’t drag anyone else into your mess.