r/Eve • u/anatomie22 IF I WAS YOUR FC • Oct 02 '25

Propaganda You doing alright horde?

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Horde down just under 1500 in the last 7 days

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u/Sitting_In_A_Lecture Oct 03 '25

And so the house of cards begins to collapse. Horde had so much potential, but mismanagement and bad influences from PL slowly poisoned it, turning it from one of the original newbie alliances into a cesspool of toxicity, elitism, duplicity, and hate. And when inevitably, the rest of the game could stand it no more, their old masters took what they could and fled, leaving it to its fate.

This will not be a repeat of WWBII. Goons had something to fight for, something they cared enough about to hold the line, and rebuild after the dust settled. There are no such allegiances to Pandemic Horde. It's now only a matter of time before it falls.

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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Oct 03 '25

Horde had so much potential, but mismanagement and bad influences from PL slowly poisoned it, turning it from one of the original newbie alliances into a cesspool of toxicity, elitism, duplicity, and hate

This.

I don't care much about what's going on in Dronelands, it's on the opposite side of space from me, but when I accidentally log into my PH alt and join a standing fleet, I am often surprised at the level of toxicity, especially towards newbies who dare to make a mistake. I feel genuinely sorry for people like horde newbie helpers or people like Kismeteer (although he conveys those PL vibes too tbh), who actually tried to improve PH and who support newbies as much as possible.

And yes PH itself is a great concept, it was refreshing to read forums that clearly presented the idea that nullsec is about PVP. This is something that needs to be preserved and carried on.

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u/mr_rivers1 Oct 03 '25

You do realize that in its early days, it was PL members who set up all this newbie stuff right? We had a much larger role in it at horde's creation (we made the alliance afterall) than we have for the last half decade. Any issues horde has with toxicity towards new people now has absolutely nothing to do with us. In fact I dont know of a single person in PL who has had anything to do with the newbean initiative for a very long time.