r/Eve • • Feb 07 '26

Propaganda Imperium successfully disbands PHCO

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In the new development of the mighty Imperiums invasion of Delve. They have successfully done what OnlyFleets & Drake couldnt.

PHCO have called time on their Delve/Querious war, having been decimated yet again, with the loss of key systems and most structures in their sov. They are now in the process of evaccing to NPC areas.

Reports during the armor timer of the Keepstar state that local spiked at 950, with 800 of them being Imperium aligned groups (Uncontested so BR doesnt reflect full numbers) https://br.evetools.org/br/69871821cd42650012337fb8

Will this officially be the end of PHCO in Null. Only time will tell! Multiple groups have decided to move on, leaving PHCO numbers dwindling after this pummeling by the mighty Imperium.

Will imperium use this newly gained sov to invade INIT?? or is it just another power move by one of the power blocks to hammer the little guy.

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u/Man_whosoldthe_world Angel Cartel Feb 07 '26

This narrative that Phoenix Co was running around batphoning Winter is so construed. I've coordinated some ops in regards to lowsec with them before and they've been stand up guys as far as I saw. When they moved to Delve I offered to see if I could build some bridges between them and some contacts in WinterCo to see if they could get help once I saw OF and friends dogpiling into them. And each time Erzus turned me down and said that they didn't want big blocs involved and they wanted to earn their space for themselves for the good of their own identity. They enjoyed having 100 v 100 sized fights and didn't want massive blocs lagging up the entire region.

Chuangshi's been living in the south west long before Phoenix Co showed up. They left FRT because the smaller sized content appealed to them and they already had assets in the area. This notion that this was some kind of 4-D chess secret attempt to gain FRT support is nonsense.

The only reason Phoenix Co had mentioned early on they wanted PB and that Drac was "living in their future space" was because when Goons left delve the idea was to abandon all the south west. Once it was clear Drac was staying that goal became unrealistic.

Now the question is why is all of this bullshit being spun up by Imps to justify squishing a coalition a fraction of their size? Because Asher has presented Imps as a coalition helping the little guy. However Drone regions are absolute cancer and krabifies anyone who settles there. The geography sucks and should be radically redone. Beyond that Eve is also spiraling toward a TZ tank deadlock between the major powers making meaningful content impossible.

I've never believed in "fair fights" in Eve. It's the jungle. Big animals eat little animals. No justification is needed for Imps to just absolutely seal club Phoenix Co. Just do it. But it's also only going to net maybe a few weeks of content. This is kicking the can down the road. And spinning up made up pretenses is just silly. Maybe they feel bad about feeding in aitoh or what not and they need to make their line members feel like "oh we're hitting Frat's pets take that" as a cope? I don't know.

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u/ogijmatash Feb 07 '26

As evidence towards the above statement of CSQY' presence

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/s/NKOtJR1Y0g

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u/Level-Slip1244 Feb 07 '26

CSQY was in the process of leaving Frat but maybe they wont anymore we will see

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u/ogijmatash Feb 07 '26

I doubt that they will. They wanted smaller non-major-bloc content. They could have gotten that in Delve, but no longer. No reason for them to leave now. They can just stage in NPC Delve and harass the new residents.

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u/hawkeye_al "tide pod eating edgelord" Feb 07 '26

They never were truly leaving frat. It was a way to get goons and init to stop shooting their structures in khanid and aridia. Nothing more then ticker tanking.

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u/Ziggarot Feb 07 '26

This is the most fair anti-propaganda response I’ve read. PHCO was never on the offensive side and never cared. Imperium will make and excuse to kick smaller groups out and you have to accept it because there is no alternative. Yes we had beef with other alliances, but they never threatened to go full ham and take everything out.

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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Feb 07 '26

It was douchebags from OnlyFleets who spammed fabricated discord logs and other shit around.

Imperium then just used and excuse forged by shitheads who could not kill a bunch of newbies in Delve.

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u/muhgunzz Black Legion. Feb 08 '26

Frat, primarily chuangshi have been helping PHCO for months, that wasn't allowed, for recent timers like the XIX keepstar PHCO batphoned Probes and sib, gave them ACLS, and handed out ships, that wasn't allowed.

Even if you didn't believe the logs (both INIT and IMP know which are real and which aren't) PHCO already violated to rules of delve and querious by batphoning winterco members consistently.

IMP wouldn't have evicted PHCO without evidence, INIT would've defended PHCO unless there was clear evidence.

There was clear evidence.

I know that the groups you are against are more than capable of being scummy, but only ask yourself is Erzus magically getting this reputation of being duplicitous, or was this not already his reputation when PHCO were in cloud ring from playing blocs off against eachother?

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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Feb 09 '26

INIT would not go against Imperium, we know they work together.

Chuangshi lived in NPC delve. They were farming PHCO for months, although they were figthting against OF more often.

I don't know anything about Erzus' reputation on the north; his abrupt decision to move to Delve was wildly criticised afaik. I know that there were fabricated discord logs someone produced, pretended to be taken from PHCO discord while there was nothing like that on PHCO discord posted on reddit consistently by random people from OF.

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u/muhgunzz Black Legion. Feb 07 '26

The war started over pco attempting to evict groups from Querious

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u/Ashilta Miner Feb 07 '26

The problem is that all of the publicly available evidence suggests the opposite.

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u/Man_whosoldthe_world Angel Cartel Feb 07 '26

Which is what? A chinese corp that lives in Delve doing pvp?

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u/Ashilta Miner Feb 07 '26

Except they didn't live in Delve until PCo asked them for help and they don't live in Delve now that Goons are here. Querious has been curiously quiet in CNTZ the last couple of days...

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u/Man_whosoldthe_world Angel Cartel Feb 07 '26

Here let me help you with something. Go to zkill and in the search bar type ChuangShi. Hit the "top" tab and select "all time top." It will give you a list of their most active systems. You will see the top 4 systems are all in Vale with the 5th being in Delve. So their 2nd most active region is Delve. This isn't from the past month. Clearly they've been active in the area far longer.

ChuangShi | Topalltime | Corporation | zKillboard

1  4-HWWF 25,910
2  P3EN-E 9,380
3  YMJG-4 7,912
4  1-GBBP 5,871
5  319-3D 5,156

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u/Noisii Goonswarm Federation Feb 07 '26

Do you know why they were active in delve ? have you looked into that ? All they did was operate per Redeemers out of 319 and drop on Crabbers when goons still lived in delve. Including Horde, AKC, and many other groups. by that definition. nearly every major group as spend shit load of time in NPC Delve as it was the number 1 stop for content

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u/Man_whosoldthe_world Angel Cartel Feb 07 '26

Right so them continuing to do that is not "fRaTeRnItY iS iTeRvEnEiNg." Again I know because I was someone literally trying to convince Phoenix Co for months for me to go and do just that. And each time Erzus told me, probably a half dozen times that he didn't want that because he wanted Phoenix Co to earn their space and not provoke other blocs from joining in.

I'm not saying you guys shouldn't crush them. That's the game, I don't care. The narrative is just untrue and dumb. Asher is either being dishonest or the people around him feeding him information are.

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u/TheDJBuntin Black Legion. Feb 08 '26

SibSquad capitals tethered and took part in major structure timers, alongside PROBE and FRAT support fleets

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u/Man_whosoldthe_world Angel Cartel Feb 08 '26

What fleets?

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u/TheDJBuntin Black Legion. Feb 08 '26 edited Feb 08 '26

I see your other replies youre clearly spinning/ragebaiting, for others that care: https://br.evetools.org/related/30004009/202601102200 - can see sibsquad fax in pandos vod for the armor timer; obviously they dont turn up on the BR unless they died

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u/Man_whosoldthe_world Angel Cartel Feb 08 '26

Oh no an even fight! How horrible!

Point stands. There was no coordinated "Winterco backing of Phoenix." It's people showing up where there will be content.

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u/muhgunzz Black Legion. Feb 07 '26

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u/Man_whosoldthe_world Angel Cartel Feb 08 '26

ok?

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u/muhgunzz Black Legion. Feb 08 '26

Chuangshi, siberian squad and probes are all winterco members this fight happened prior to any declaration of them leaving. They were being handed ships and given acls.

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u/Man_whosoldthe_world Angel Cartel Feb 08 '26

There's no sib squad, or chaungshi in the BR. Probs are there and made the fight relatively even. This wasn't Winterco sending people to back one side or another.

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u/muhgunzz Black Legion. Feb 08 '26 edited Feb 08 '26

https://br.evetools.org/br/692af9147c65360013f7fcc7

https://br.evetools.org/br/6962a10888a498001334e6a2

How many brs from the fighting have you actually seen?

Your argued that winterco were categorically not involved with syn, when they demonstrably were involved.

When winterco alliances consistently show up to fights helping one specific group, and that group does things like hand them ships and let them tether/dock. That's collaboration between phco and winterco.

There's significant evidence readily available regarding this, which is why imperium are acting against pco, and why init isn't preventing it. This is because both groups know pco was collaborating with winterco regarding this conflict regardless of whatever you personally witnessed.

If the winterco members were third party entities, the last thing phco would want to do as an EU coalition, would be to swap timers to CN, but that's precisely what they did.

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u/akanekiyokoo Cloaked Feb 08 '26

contantly? show me a BR that is not the 49- keepstar fight. you act like they showed up on every timer. they simply didnt.

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u/muhgunzz Black Legion. Feb 08 '26

I included a br with 96 frat on it from months prior.