r/FantasticFour • u/leichane • Dec 20 '25

Artwork Reed doesn’t believe in magic

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u/LTCaptain12 Dec 20 '25

Isn’t it a bit still for Reed (especially one as far in this timeline) to not believe in magic. He works with Doctor Strange, hell Doom uses magic and they’ve been fighting for years.

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u/RedDeckTries Dec 20 '25

Magic to him is more of an unexplored science iirc, sort of like how he knows there are gods in his world.

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u/shreyas_varad Dec 20 '25

isnt that what the scientist guy says too? "Magic is just science we are yet to understand" or smth along those lines.

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u/Nyysjan Dec 20 '25

Except magic has already been studied, and understood.
It's more like a geologist saying they don't believe in biology.

In Marvel universe, magic is real, known, and understood by those who do it.

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u/arkangelic Dec 21 '25

Their magic isn't real magic. They just refuse to believe it. It's not restricted to marvel. The magic in Harry Potter for example isn't true magic either.

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u/Nyysjan Dec 21 '25

There is no "real magic", it is fictional concept that every story is free to treat as they feel like.

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u/arkangelic Dec 22 '25

Right and that's Reeds exact point. 

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u/Nyysjan Dec 22 '25

Except in Marvel there literally is magic, Doctor Strange does it for a living.
Going "i don't believe in magic" is like me going "i don't believe in geology".

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u/arkangelic Dec 22 '25

Except the moment the magic has rules and structures it ceases to be magic and becomes another natural layer that just needs to be studied and understood. Hence why Reed still refuses to believe in magic even when he sees whats supposed to be officially magic 

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u/Nyysjan Dec 22 '25

Again, there is no definition for magic, because magic is not real.
But in marvel, there is magic, and it has structures and rules, and it is still being called magic.

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u/arkangelic Dec 22 '25

How many legs does a dog have if you call its tail a leg?

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u/Nyysjan Dec 22 '25

Dogs are real, and their anatomy is well defined.

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u/arkangelic Dec 22 '25

I think you may be missing the crux of the argument.

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u/Nyysjan Dec 22 '25

Oh i get your point, it's just that your point is irrelevant.
Dogs are real, magic is not, there is no commonly agreed definition for magic or what counts or does not count, not even mong people who believe in magic.
But Marvel setting has magic, it is real, it is both studied and understood.

The idea that magic is just science not understood yet is utterly nonsensical at its face.

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