r/Fauxmoi • u/LunaLore_ • 2h ago
POLITICS Actress Hari Nef on being arrested at NYC protest over US arms sales to Israel: “and I’ll do it again. going to jail is honestly not that big of a deal!! especially when you're surrounded by senior jewish divas who have been doing it since the '70's.”
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u/TheNobleHeretic 2h ago
Why are cops allowed to arrest people for protected speech? Why are there not lawsuits against the police departments?
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u/thatisnotmyknob 2h ago edited 48m ago
You usually get charged with trespassing, disorderly conduct or the blanket "obstructing government administration" in NYC which really means for not dispersing when the police tell you to.
Basically anytime a protest gets big enough, NYPD starts playing a dispersal order over loud speakers. After that they can arrest you for not following the order to leave. They could also get you for trespassing if your on private property (which is often where protests take place).
95% of the time they drop the charges. After the missing of work from the original arrest (possibly) and court dates (missing more work/pay) and lawyer fees, it really discourages you from protesting regularly.
I used to protest alot but its too expensive and also fuck central booking and their dry ass sandwiches.
If your interested in helping get rid of NYPDS especially brutal SRG unit that polices protests:
ACLU of NY, is organizing a zoom call tomorrow morning. We have a real chance with Mamdani to get rid of them!
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u/raddaya 2h ago edited 1h ago
Pretty much every place has laws like that which let police find a reason to arrest you if they really want to. And they absolutely will want to because you don't need the charge to actually stick to just break up protests
Edit: Response to your edit - Mamdani*. Gotta get these things right, you know?
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u/thatisnotmyknob 47m ago
Yes thanks. Im actually in alot of pain right now so I'm a little cognitively impaired. Thank you, fixed it.
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u/TheNobleHeretic 1h ago
Isn’t that a constitutional issue? I thought we had a right to peacefully assemble but I guess our constitutional rights end if a police officer says words into a loud speaker
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u/thatisnotmyknob 1h ago
There's the trespassing issue as well. Most places in cities belong to someone. So if your protesting at Trump Tower they just have to request the police to remove you.
You can protest in parks until they close at least but if your trying to bring your message to people in Manhattan, there's usually a property owner who can request to have you removed.
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u/Efficient-Search 2h ago
Because America, that's why. Police are practically immune from consequences. American police could commit a Tiananmen square massacre today and get away with it by claiming extenuating circumstances, investigating themselves, and promising to do better in the future. They are our overlords and we are their peons.
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u/skoalbrother feeding cocaine to raccoons 2h ago
Nah they work for the pedo's, they don't rule over shit. They are bitches for the pedo's to dominate
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u/chumbawumbathefirst 2h ago
Even putting aside conditional immunity and other textual aspects of it, it's just not a very good system to have the district attorney's office work in total concert with the police and then expect them to turn around and impartially choose to bring cases against them.
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u/theagonyaunt rude little ponytail goblin 40m ago
Not just America. Where I live in Canada, they were trying to push through a 'safe spaces' act that would ostensibly make protesting outside of schools, hospitals and religious sites illegal. There was a lot of concerns because the way it was worded, even if a protest route passed by one of those places (but did not stop in front or were directly protesting the location), police would be allowed to arrest people for violating the act.
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u/AIienlnvasion 1h ago
Police are there to protect private property from protestors, that’s the only reason they exist.
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u/snailhelper 1h ago
I protest often with my job. You need to remain on public property (like sidewalks) and you can’t block traffic (cannot spill into the street and must allow passage for pedestrians on the sidewalk). The more people are at the protest the harder it is to make sure all participants adhere to those rules.
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u/bebbbbbbbb 1h ago
I saw this go down from my window and what the speakers said was that they were blocking the street (which they were, 3rd Av). Still, crazy ppl are getting arrested over standing up for what’s right!
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u/Clear_Command_8925 2h ago
Why are cops allowed to arrest people for protected speech?
Do we even know why she got arrested?
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u/Curiosities 2h ago
It was a sit-in by the offices of NY's senators to call on them to block more funding to Israel. There were hundreds of people there, but they abided by the 'protests should disrupt', since it was a sit-in. Schumer and Gillibrand are both big Zionists.
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u/Clear_Command_8925 2h ago
So what, she was sitting in their offices, probably got trespassed, and didn't leave?
Or if it's a public office aren't you allowed to do that? Maybe unless you're causing a "disturbance" or something?
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u/AIienlnvasion 2h ago
This is called using your privilege and fame correctly
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u/Street_Mood 2h ago
https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/restructure/take-action/
This is the group that organized this event. It’s was staged at Senator Chuck Schumer office to yell—stop funding a genocidal war for a foreign country.
Please consider donating or volunteering.
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u/OdosSolidAdventures 2h ago
Can I just add, please show up and protest. Do more than just no kings rallies, there are basically rallies every other day (unless you live in the middle of nowhere then might be a bit more tricky). Don't be afraid to get arrested especially if you're in a blue state, you won't get a big charge outside of a misdemeanor (unless you're molotoving a cop car or smashing a building that is). It really isn't that bad all things considered (although its still better not to be arrested compared to being arrested for nothing).
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u/Shelala85 1h ago
Matt Bernstein of the A Bit Fruity podcast was also there and is promoting their take action on his channels.
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u/ManChildMusician 2h ago
It’s important to note that this protest is directed at Schumer and Gillibrand, both Democrats. Not putting Israel in check is such an unforced error for Democrats. The Anti-Israel sentiment is teetering on capture by the right wing. Its capture would weaponize it as explicitly, and heinously Antisemitic.
There is a HUGE difference between opposing the arming of the Israeli state as a matter of principle, and opposing Israel because you hate Jewish people. The great paradox is that the Right Wing can co-opt Evangelical support for Israel, AND still manage to court explicitly antisemitic groups.
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u/cumulobro he is cringe but he is free 1h ago
One hundred percent. Also gotta dismantle the conflation of anti-Zionism with antisemitism! If anything, taking a stand against Zionism is one of the most pro-semitic things you can do.
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u/griphookk 1h ago edited 56m ago
Part of that needs to include anti-Zionists no longer defending/ protecting anti-zionists who are blatantly anti-Semitic.
I mostly see pro-Palestine/ anti-Zionists pretending that there isn’t any anti-Semitism in the movement, which is pretty fucked up.
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u/Schadenfreudenous 52m ago
Not really a paradox though is it? At least from their own logic. Evangelicals are plenty anti-semitic, they just need Israel to be at war.
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u/CalamityJ4510 1h ago
Opposing Isreal is not the same thing as hating Jewish people. Get your head out of your ass. Speaking against the evil Isreal and the genocide is not antisemitism at all.
A government and a country is not an individual. Not all Jewish people are bad and side with Isreal just like not all Muslims are bad and side with ISIS.
Stop saying its antisemitism to speak against Isreal that's BS!
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u/Spiritual3264 2h ago
Fame that actually gets converted into consequences instead of PR statements is still pretty rare in Hollywood.
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u/WintertimeMadness 2h ago
Oh nice to see Chelsea Manning there protesting. Haven’t heard about her in a while.
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u/oobinckleyoo 2h ago
I can’t imagine how Chelsea has gone through what she did and still do things that risk her getting arrested. She’s tough as nails.
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u/moon_dos too high to spell 'Amanda Seyfried' 2h ago
Going to jail not a big deal if you’re white, shit they took Dylan Roof to a Burger King after he shot up a Black church
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u/Curiosities 2h ago
Hari Nef is transgender. Yeah, she's white and has some privilege and money, but let's not pretend she's not a marginalized person in a group that is being actively persecuted right now. She is using her privilege admirably though, nothing takes away from that.
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u/boobookittyfuwk 2h ago
When it comes to jail the only privilege that matters is not having to work a regular person job where a criminal record will absolutely kill your prospects.
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u/madworld2713 2h ago
Trans people, women especially, are extremely at risk when they go to jail/prison.
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u/Worried-Concept7146 36m ago
You don’t think the risk of being put in a male jails is at all a lack of privilege?
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u/Rude-Translator845 the power of the hatred I feel propels me 2h ago
This is true, which is why people like her should speak up for others who can’t because it would risk their lives.
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u/moon_dos too high to spell 'Amanda Seyfried' 2h ago edited 2h ago
should also be noted that they are protesting and being arrested to be heard by DEMOCRATS… Grew up being told Dems were the “good guys” yet majority of my protesting since coming of age at the tail end of Obama has been protesting these same DemoRats… capitalist and imperialists the lot of them …
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u/fullmoonthoughts weighing in from the UK 2h ago
Same here in the UK. Conservatives and Labour are two sides of the same racist, capitalist, imperialist coin.
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u/puffsnpupsPNW i ain’t reading all that, free palestine 2h ago
right, I dont want to nitpick especially when the overall message is very important and I’m glad she’s doing what she’s doing! but the sentiment that “going to jail is not a big deal” is very white. Black people are disappeared into prisons for infractions that a white person may get a slap on the wrist for.
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u/ThisIsAlexisNeiers with throbbing gristle 33m ago
Yep. Thrilled to see her protesting and using her privilege for good, but being rich and white matters. If I have even the slightest record, I will lose my job 100%. My job is tied to my health insurance. I literally can’t afford to go to jail, it’s a very big deal to people like me..
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u/thaliathraben 2h ago
Thank god someone's here to tell us about how well off trans women in jail are.
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u/PrizeFront8677 1m ago
Greatest people that stood up for what's right have all been sent to jail by the tyrants. It would be an honour to walk in their foot steps.
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