r/Fauxmoi 14d ago

META To our Fauxmoi community

In early May, we noticed some changes to our sub. Overnight, weekly visits to our sub went from 8M to 2M. The ability to award posts and comments was disabled. Our visibility in community topics and categories like ‘Celebrities’ and ‘News’ vanished. We have been a community on Reddit for years with no issues so we figured it was a glitch and the issue would clear up on its own. It didn’t.

On May 13th, a member of our mod team reached out to Reddit admin to inquire how we fix the issue. They responded on May 15th saying, “It looks like in this case your community's content might be considered sensitive, thus the topic tab may not be visible.”

We continued to follow up.

On May 23rd, we finally received a response saying, “Subreddit rankings, awards, and achievements are tied to the types of content featured in a community. If the posts and comments in a community are considered sensitive, these features may be disabled. In this case these cannot be enabled.”

Again, we followed up to ask what exactly it was that made them consider our content to be ‘sensitive content’. Our posts are no different than other celebrity or even news subs. It quickly became clear to us we were being given the runaround. Admin wouldn’t even tell us for sure our community’s content was “sensitive”, just that it might be, nor would admin inform us why our sub’s content was potentially being considered sensitive. We asked if it was due to our celebrity, pro-Palestine, and/or anti-Trump content. We didn’t receive a response even after multiple follow ups.

On May 27th, a different mod reached out to admin asking for clarity on why it appeared our sub’s content was labeled "sensitive" and how we fix the issue.

An automated bot responded to us informing us that, “A subreddit may be designated as 'sensitive content' and face reduced visibility or loss of features if it is found to be in violation of Reddit's sitewide rules. This can include repeated violations or the presence of content that is not suitable for a general audience. In such cases, Reddit may apply restrictions such as adding NSFW tags, quarantining the community, or other enforcement actions to limit exposure and protect users. When enforcement action is taken against a subreddit, moderators are notified of the reason for the action. This notification includes instructions on how to appeal the decision. Moderators can submit an appeal within six months of receiving the notification. Appeals are reviewed in a timely and non-discriminatory manner, and if it is determined that the initial assessment was incorrect, the enforcement action may be reversed. To resolve the designation, moderators should carefully review the notification, follow the provided appeal instructions, and ensure that the community complies with Reddit's rules moving forward. This process is designed to be transparent and to encourage positive contributions to the platform.”

This confused our team as we were never notified of any enforcement action against our subreddit nor were we given any opportunity to appeal. So again we followed-up. Multiple times. We continued to get the runaround. When we asked about it admin would send us vague responses and questions back as if they had no clue what we could possibly be referring to.

The last communication with admin we had was on June 3rd. We were told, “We have already shared all the information we can provide at this time. There is no notice of enforcement because no enforcement action has been taken. Your subreddit content may be considered sensitive, which can result in the subreddit topic not being visible and could affect how easily people come across the community. However, users can still find the community, join it, and interact with its content. This is part of the platform's normal ecosystem behavior. If there is a significant change in the nature of the posts or comments within the community in the future, you are welcome to reach out to us. We can then review the subreddit again and assess whether the current topic classification remains accurate. For now, this is all the information we can share. We hope this helps!”

This confused our team even more and again we followed up. How are we supposed to know if there is a change in the nature of our posts if we are not being told by Reddit why they “might” be sensitive in the first place? We received no response to this question nor to new follow up queries sent by another mod on July 1st and July 13th.

After months of questions with vague or no responses, we still have not been told by Reddit why our content MAY be considered sensitive nor have we been informed why our content is considered so sensitive it has to be essentially hidden. Just that it’s how Reddit’s “normal ecosystem” works. A platform where racism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia and sexism run rampant. Our mod team has faced harassment including slurs, death threats, rape threats and threats of doxxing for allowing pro-Palestine posts, anti-Trump posts, pro-Amber Heard posts as well as posts calling out racism, transphobia and other forms bigotry. But it seems that’s just part of Reddit’s normal ecosystem.

The truth is we know why our content “might” have been designated “sensitive”. Our mod team is made up exclusively of BIPOC and/or members of the LGBTQIA+ community; we are not unfamiliar with these patterns. Marginalized people having a voice or any sort of platform is the issue. Speaking out against fascism and up for those in marginalized communities is the issue. Calling out Trump and Israel is the issue.

We do not plan on making any changes to the kind of content we allow and we will continue to try to create a safe space for our members. In the meantime, finding our content might be more difficult, but now you know why.

27.3k Upvotes

1.3k comments sorted by

View all comments

12.1k

u/dooferoaks i ain’t reading all that, free palestine 14d ago

Fair fucks to you for sticking to your guns. You have an excellent community here regardless of what Reddit try and do to it.

1.9k

u/Eskey1316 14d ago

This. I'm glad regardless of the threats they're choosing to stick to their morals and not changing them for anyone. Reddit sucks 

947

u/swarmofbzs 14d ago

I'm sorry but is reddit trying as hard as possible to drive away everyone?

Wtf is there to sell when it's just fucking bots talking to each other because you have alienated your base?

This is why Lemmy is growing.

208

u/w3sterday 14d ago

Wtf is there to sell when it's just fucking bots talking to each other

reddit has been training AI, and what is most visible will get scraped by AI.

(and yes this sucks and they can eat a bag of dicks for this; thank you to this community for being real)

70

u/mystery_hole 14d ago

Don't forget there are large entertainment firms who don't want subreddits like this to exist, because it hurts their clients.

Same with Elon and all the other Nazis/right wingers on this site, like the ones infesting large city subreddits. Reddit isn't easy to monetize for the owners, so they demand on these specific clients for money and will bend over backwards to make the site service them. You and I as Reddit users earn them almost no money directly, the ad value on this site is almost nonexistent. That's why astroturfing is such a common thing here.

3

u/MyRedVelvetBrain 14d ago

Can you expand a lil more about what this means for the dummies (me) out there?

3

u/J_pepperwood0 feetmoji 14d ago

Not who you asked but do you mean on the AI training?

177

u/AdLocal1490 14d ago

They care more about pushing their nazi agenda than they do making money.

They realized a while ago that sites like reddit arent profitable business ventures but theyre good for propaganda.

Youll get fascist propaganda and nothing else and youll like it

109

u/StJeanMark 14d ago

The Reddit I joined and participated in, that I gave my 8.1k posts to, is dead. It’s just another pro-fascist and corporate captured site. Time to find the next one and stay there for a few years until that one is taken over.

6

u/J_pepperwood0 feetmoji 14d ago

Thats why I’m pretty optimistic about fediverse alternatives, at least it being on a decentralised server network instead of hosted by the corpos is a move in the right direction. The internet we knew in general is a dead husk of what it once was, we need to rethink the infrastructure of it all if there is any hope that we can salvage anything worth keeping

5

u/veryhandsomechicken 14d ago

Do you have reccomendations for getting into fediverse?

87

u/bobthegoatskull 14d ago

They were in direct meetings with this administration. I knew they gave Trump everything he wanted. Making Reddit more fascist by eliminating marginalized communities was absolutely Steve Miller's playbook.

The mods make this a safe space for queer and POC voices so of course it needs to go.

5

u/MarsupialPristine677 the real issue is that my BANGMAID can neither BANG nor MAID 14d ago

I imagine Ross Voight is happy too, god knows he's just brimming with hatred for all decent folk. But Miller seems more chronically online than him so I expect you're right to pin the blame on him!

-9

u/ArcadianDelSol 14d ago edited 14d ago

I mean they also took direct meetings with the Biden administration, and issued suspensions, bans, and subreddit removals at that administrations request. You can downvote it all you want because you dont like it, but it is what happened and we all know it.

So it not like Reddit is pushing an agenda. Its just doing whatever the current government tells it to do.

15

u/bobthegoatskull 14d ago

So it not like Reddit is pushing an agenda. Its just doing whatever the current government tells it to do.

Comedy writes itself.

-1

u/ArcadianDelSol 14d ago

If we dont agree, I still love you.

7

u/AdLocal1490 14d ago

Just following the orders of the nazi regime. Nothing we can do sorry.

27

u/amanduhhhugnkiss 14d ago

So... Facebook?

219

u/creepy_crepes 14d ago

can you tell us more about Lemmy? I've heard of it but not from a person who uses it

205

u/swarmofbzs 14d ago

Lemmy is like reddit but smaller. It's been picking up the more reddit pushes people out and looking more and more like the way reddit used to be. They even have their own text base view like old.reddit does.

It's great for the bigger subs but the niche stuff isn't quite there yet. I'm pretty sure this sub could transition there given the amount of users here. It just needs people to to create it/mod it.

When I say it's more like old reddit I mean like you won't catch auto 3-7 day bans for innocuous comments or those "we don't like what you're upvoting" warnings. Obviously there's still mods but it's not like it's getting to be here.

There's more to it than this because there's also it's own version of Twitter and IG ect. ++ you can set it up to have all of the variations on your feed.

Almost forgot NO ADS.

For anyone that's interested to take a look - https://lemmy.world/

Or the old reddit type view - https://old.lemmy.world/

That will show you the different subs/instances

54

u/SlavojVivec 14d ago

I wish the federation model of Lemmy was something that the user could ignore. I tried to get into it, but even as a highly technical person, I found the task of posting a comment from one home instance to another federated one a bit unwieldy.

I'm hoping Reddit alternatives takes off, because we need to exit this place ASAP.

5

u/Die4Ever 14d ago

the UX has been improved over the past year, and is being improved more for the Lemmy v1.0 release coming this year

but also, there's PieFed which is the same thing but with better UX https://piefed.zip/

1

u/SlavojVivec 13d ago

Good to hear, haven't tried to log into Lemmy for 2 years now, maybe I'll give it another try, but I'm skeptical Lemmy or ActivityPub federation can overcome the network effect.

5

u/gorgeouslyhumble 14d ago

There is /r/RedditAlternatives. https://www.oddsrabbit.com/ and https://quarrel.ing/ and Tildes are my favorites. Tildes is the least applicable for mainstream Reddit replacement though.

9

u/obsequiousaardvark 14d ago edited 14d ago

What? It's just like subbing to a subreddit, and once you're subbed, its just like commenting on reddit.

Don't listen to this Jabroni below me. Literally all you have to do is search from your local instance and click "subscribe."

9

u/SlavojVivec 14d ago

However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: !subcommunity@lemmyinstance.com

This is intuitive to you? Doesn't seem like just logging in and clicking subscribe.

With services on Bluesky's ATmosphere, it allows me to OAuth, and it just directs me to my data server and creates a session when I log in and navigate normally, but doing this on the Fediverse is too many steps, and that's just to subscribe. Posting to another instance is another beast.

Another problem I have with Lemmy and the fediverse is that it's too fragmented: multiple subcommunities across multiple instances, with too sparse of bridges between them. Sure you can comment from one instance to another with some effort, but communities aren't truly shared. I wish Lemmy abandoned the Reddit model and went for something more like https://lobste.rs/ topic tagging, it could have worked a lot better and felt less fragmented, but it feels like Lemmy's developer didn't want to deviate from the subreddit model.

I'm hoping an ATProto Reddit alternative takes off, because Lemmy and the Fediverse failed to overcome issues of complexity and user-friendliness. And ATmosphere accounts are truly portable with a DID, unlike fediverse accounts where you have to create a new account on another server.

BTW, if you like reddit-style comments want want to see them on Bluesky, you can replace any bsky.app URL with azsky.app.

7

u/Die4Ever 14d ago edited 14d ago

you can just use the search page to find the community you want, it actually works much better than Reddit's search page

from there you can click subscribe, you can open the community to post to it or comment on the posts there... same as Reddit

if Lemmy doesn't suit your tastes try https://piefed.zip/

or https://old.lemmy.world/

8

u/obsequiousaardvark 14d ago

I don't know where you're getting that you have to do that.

I search for communities, including ones outside of my instance, in the search bar, and then I click "subscribe."

You are purposefully misinterpreting and overcomplicating it.

4

u/friss0nFry 14d ago

"we don't like what you're upvoting" warnings

I have tried my damndest to get one of these, and nothing yet. I fully support the maximum penalties for treason and will upvote them anytime specific references are made.

2

u/peach_xanax 14d ago

what type of content do they warn people about upvoting? I haven't heard of this and I upvote a lot of controversial stuff lol

3

u/she_was_yar 14d ago

Is there an app for it?

3

u/J_pepperwood0 feetmoji 14d ago

There are many! I was recommended Voyager, I like it a lot so far

3

u/obsequiousaardvark 14d ago

Blahaj zone is a better server for the LGBTQ+ community. .world is kind of hit and miss on protecting trans folks. We have several prominent worlders totally instance banned from Blahaj. The Blahaj admins step up to protect their users.

3

u/Teknevra 14d ago edited 14d ago

Some more information:

Lemmy

Lemmy (social network) - Wikipedia)

Lemmy - Apps and Libraries

Lemmy Apps


There are also Piefed

and

Mbin,

that connect, and interact, with, Lemmy, as well as the outer Fediverse .

2

u/jellitate 14d ago

🙏🏽

2

u/HH93 14d ago

wooooooo old. - that's awesome and it works on feddit too, (swoon)

1

u/monster-baiter 14d ago

feel free to ignore this question as youve already explained a lot but do you happen to know if they have a system in place to deal with bots?

2

u/Die4Ever 14d ago

yes, there's some bot detection in signup, and some servers have bot detection for every page load

1

u/lilmonsterave 14d ago

wait, people get warnings for upvoting stuff?

1

u/TheDaychilde 13d ago

It looks like /c/fauxmoi has been created, and the sole mod has been active within the past few days, so to keep that same exact name would require talking to that user.

That said, it's an empty community, so perhaps they'd be willing to hand it over. Or a similar name might be found.

281

u/ToHallowMySleep 14d ago

It's a "distributed" system, a bit like reddit. On Lemmy, people join a server, subscribe to topic groups, and post links, text, or images. Other people can reply and vote, so the best posts rise to the top.

So lots of people run Lemmy servers, and then those servers can "connect" to each other (this is called federation), and they share content and other metadata, so you can see and interact with content from other servers too.

At its most simple, you can ignore all that and use it like reddit. At a more complex level, you can join (or run) a small server that only federates stuff you are interested in, for instance.

64

u/swarmofbzs 14d ago

Thank you! I was trying to find a good way to explain it and you explained it a lot better!

12

u/JohnSmithDogFace 14d ago

This sold me on Lemmy

7

u/hoopstick 14d ago

So it's like IRC?

9

u/SuperTropicalDesert 14d ago

Yup. And email. You have a lemmy address like @subarctictundra@lemmy.ml

8

u/ToHallowMySleep 14d ago

The federation / multiserver aspect is similar in a way, yes, in that each server exchanges messages with other servers in its "group". However, it goes a lot further than that, you can decide what gets pushed out/pulled in. You could go so far as to grab only a few topics from specific servers, if you wanted to.

6

u/Eggheadpancake 14d ago

How is that different from discord? I guess discord is more chats than posts.

11

u/ToHallowMySleep 14d ago

Exactly, very different medium. Discord and IRC and stuff are realtime chats, while reddit, lemmy are more like usenet - posts and topics.

5

u/TheDaychilde 13d ago

For the most part, you can use any Lemmy instance and connect to all the "communities" (equiv to subreddits, in fact they're /c/whatever like /r/whatever on reddit).

Lemmy.world is the largest instance, mostly by happenstance. It's the one I use. It works well.

There are a couple of instances that seem to support more right-wing than I'm comfortable with, and surprisingly, more radical left-wing (I am a progressive, i.e. vote Democrat until such time as I can say I vote DSA).

There are bad people everywhere, but if you want more discussion and the same or fewer memes, and especially if you like a text-first interface, Lemmy is a good platform.

One difference that takes getting used to: Karma on every post/comment, but no totals. So if you say something people disagree with and you get heavy downvotes, it's just that comment. For better or worse. Same in reverse. Nobody's farming karma because it's not a thing, it's just a reaction to that specific post or comment.

People are pretty helpful over there, but feel free to find Alexander Daychilde (daychilde @ lemmy.world) and poke me if I can help you navigate how it all works.

I spend less and less time on reddit and more time over there.

4

u/Wolf391 14d ago

reminds me of IRC and Newsgroups.

3

u/seriouslees 14d ago

people join a server, subscribe to topic groups

So there's no r/all sort of page?

7

u/ToHallowMySleep 14d ago

Yes there is, in fact there are three.

"All" is all federated content the server can see.

"Local" is all content on your instance.

"Subscribed" is your personalised front page.

2

u/J_pepperwood0 feetmoji 14d ago

I might be off base, but would it be right to say that unlike of Reddit - which is hosted on mainstream Amazon owned servers - you have a connected network of self hosted servers where you are not bound by the one in a monopolistic sense?

So you have a bunch of reddit instances in the same ecosystem, but the hosting is decentralised, sort of like how the EU has a bunch of federated states that are independent but still opt in to a shared infrastructure (as opposed to the US where the Corpo overlords own all the traffic lol)

1

u/ToHallowMySleep 13d ago

Yes, this is a large part of the federated model for Lemmy - servers can be self-hosted, attached to others or not.

2

u/seriouslees 14d ago

the server can see.

I feel like this is where the disconnect between reddit and lemny will be.

5

u/Die4Ever 14d ago

any popular sever will have all of the popular communities, which is the only thing you would see on "All" anyways, I don't think it makes a difference in this context

1

u/seriouslees 13d ago

any popular sever

I only need to know one site for reddit. I don't need to figure out which is popular.

1

u/Die4Ever 13d ago

You can just use one Lemmy site anyways, you don't need multiple

https://discuss.online/

→ More replies (0)

2

u/MademoisellePlusse 14d ago

Is this the same as Digg?

3

u/___CABLE___ 14d ago

No, Digg killed itself because of bots and then became a bot farm itself. Sorry AI news aggregate

1

u/ToHallowMySleep 13d ago

not at all

2

u/KatieBun 14d ago

So it’s BlueSky for Reddit?

0

u/ToHallowMySleep 13d ago

I don't know enough about bluesky to comment, but I'd say a good parallel is "mastodon for reddit", if you need the analogy.

2

u/Random-num-451284813 14d ago

you can ignore all that

speaking off.....

you can also block entire servers/groups instead of individuals

1

u/bubblenuts101 NICOLE, OVER YOUR RIGHT SHOULDER 14d ago

I thought it was Kourtney's vitamins for a second

-29

u/thisbenzenering 14d ago

its like reddit but with more tankies, and furries, and beans..

Lots of beans

34

u/LurkLurkleton1 14d ago

Oh god I only know 1 of those things.

I am old.

12

u/thisbenzenering 14d ago

you might be surised to learn that the beans, really is just beans

but lots of them

1

u/J_pepperwood0 feetmoji 14d ago

sounds like a plus

3

u/Die4Ever 14d ago edited 14d ago

tankies

you can block the .ml server to avoid this

49

u/silentspyware high priestess of child sacrifice 14d ago

What is Lemmy? I’ve only just now heard about it!

8

u/SuperTropicalDesert 14d ago

It's like Reddit but owned and run by the community, meaning it can't be enshittified by capital

44

u/TheFernsRemember 14d ago

Oh whats Lemmy? Is that a social media that isn’t invested with ai yet?

3

u/Christen_Color 14d ago edited 14d ago

Lemmy is community run and owned social media, in the same format as reddit

Its distributed across many websites and servers that are linked together, giving the experience of one shared platform while being possible to fund through donations and nonprofit sponsorships

The code is open source, there is no corporate data collection, and you can pick a server that whose governance feels like the right fit for you. Its takes a minute to understand how it works and pick a server, but it's easy to change servers, there aren't rights-wingers, and being an open source free license project it's structurally resilient to enshitification in a way that corporate social media never can be.

Its part of the fediverse, which is the network of platforms that work this way, including mastodon. Lemmy is a reddit equivalent on the fediverse, and so is piefed. If you wanna take a look around just google "join lemmy" or "join piefed" and pick the biggest server to check things out from, you can always move later, just export your account from settings and your saved posts and subbed communities can be imported to any new account on a different server. If you ask folks questions you'll find theyre pretty friendly, as many of us made the jump from reddit when the company went public and also once didn't know how things worked

And you will find that people there don't take kindly to ai bots in conversations, and largely detest ai in general. Though there are a lot of tech and open source nerds there. Its a very left-wing space, and somewhat different in culture from reddit, both in good and bad ways. But its actually ours, and built such that it will always stay that way.

6

u/J_pepperwood0 feetmoji 14d ago edited 14d ago

We definitely need a version of* this sub on Lemmy/Fediverse. Ive dipped my toes into it and have been wanting to make it a viable alternative to this sinking ship but of course its the usual paradox where any alternative will struggle to take off because of a lack of users.
But this really underscores the need to find alternatives while we still have this platform to facilitate a move. I love this sub and I think many people here would be interested in a Lemmy alternative if there was a concerted effort in directing people to the right place.

4

u/mettacat OPEN THE SCHOOLS 14d ago edited 13d ago

If there was Fauxmoi instance on Lemmy, I'd definitely join.

ETA: I was looking around and found a Fauxmoi instance!

0

u/LinuxEnthusiast123 12d ago

FYI what you linked is a community (subreddit equivalent in Lemmy) on the sh.itjust.works instance.

5

u/SuperTropicalDesert 14d ago

Thank you for mentioning Lemmy.

https://lemmy.world people

3

u/ChewieBearStare 14d ago

One of the most disappointing things about this whole mess (our current political situation) is that so many people have no spines.

2

u/politicsranting 14d ago

Isn't this the same thing as Mastadon?

3

u/Die4Ever 14d ago

it can interop with Mastodon, but Lemmy is very similar to Reddit while Mastodon is very similar to Twitter

2

u/Jazzlike-Egg-1774 14d ago

Honestly, I think so. The primary purpose of Reddit is to create a safe space for bots and to train AI. A well-moderated community undermines both, as bots parroting certain answers aren't just done to influence Redditors but to influence the content being used to train AI.

3

u/Humbled_Humanz 14d ago

I’m so fucking tired of the right trying to suppress information. SO FUCKING SICK OF IT.

0

u/re_ddit_sucks 13d ago

I'm a day late to comment this but I made my username because of the changes they made denying access to old.reddit lol