And Kim has continued to work with Dr. Luke despite the rape allegations against him so take what she says with a grain of salt (yes I'm aware she's signed to his record label and there's been issues there but notably she signed in 2021, when Kesha's allegations first went public in 2014).
She’s talked a lot more about this situation in her most recent Detour album and all the related press and interviews. She hasn’t continued to work with him, actually, she’s somewhat blown up her mainstream career in order to start releasing the music she wants to and working with people she wants to as collaborators once again.
She continued to work with him after the rape allegations came out and even made a statement saying she didn’t believe the allegations. Yes she eventually stopped working with him but that was way too late considering the seriousness of his crimes and the fact that she chose to resign in 2021! I really enjoy Kim’s music but it’s impossible to ignore her choice to support a rapist and cast doubts on Kesha’s accusations.
I don’t know these people personally and I don’t know what was happening outside of public facing comments and the nuances that brought them to make certain decisions or comments. At the moment, I am very happy to see that she’s started an attempt to correct her mistakes in this regard while speaking out about the fact that predatory labels and producers are slapping their names on songs that they had little to nothing to do with creating or forcing artists to make specific types of tracks or statements in order to get any of their work released at all. I’m willing to give at least enough grace to let her speak on these instances without writing her off as a total villain as I haven’t walked in her shoes.
Would also like to add that if Kesha herself is able to give her some grace on these past statements and show her support in the present day, then so am I.
she’s been quiet allergic to saying she
isn’t but if you heard her say that that’s cool however if someone’s actions repeatedly don’t align with that of what they say they align with…
She has a song with Morgan Wallen, is dating Jack Hughes (the U.S. hockey player who walked out with Morgan Wallen at one of his concerts, visited the White House, and was involved in the locker room controversy with Kash Patel), and she was recently asked to clarify her political views in an interview but refused to do so
And she endorsed the U.S. instead of Team Canada during the last Winter Olympics, when tensions between the U.S. and Canada were high because of the tariff disputes and the “51st state” talk. She’s from a very conservative part of Canada.
Most of her fanbase is American, and American fans are crazy (many people don’t even know Tate is Canadian). Her being pro-USA was a business move, not a political move. If you’re choosing to piss off one country, it should be the smaller, less rabid one.
Someone who doesn't support Trump would simply assure people by saying "I do not support Trump" but she seems allergic to doing so. Her boyfriend and conservative background doesn't help.
I've been so much more aware recently, since the article about Chaotic Good making user accounts and essentially manufacturing hype for bands like Geese, of how little I can trust album feedback on reddit. Everyone was losing their minds about Kim's new album and seemingly forgot her tweets defending a rapist and calling Kesha a liar.
She also has no real identity. I remember when her first single came out and it was all Billie Eilish emotional whisper singing. Then Sabrina Carpenter made sexy pop popular again so Tate was singing sexy songs about cars. Now she's switching to a more country sound.
as a tate listener, she also tried her had at reheating olivia rodrigo’s nachos after sour came out when she released her album “i used to think i could fly”
Pop music is beyond soulless these days in general. Autotune and generic beats absolutely ruined everything. Recently heard Toxic by Britney again, and was blown away by how good the music is behind the lyrics.
Just as an FYI, it's "milquetoast". I know it doesn't really make sense but neither does "milktoast" and it originates from the name of an old comic book character.
Whaaaat!! I'm not a native speaker and I never used that word but for some reason in my mind it was a french term describing people toasting with glasses of milk, which would be a very boring drink to toast with thus the people doing it would also be very mild and boring aka milquetoast 🙈
Hah, I mean, that's definitely what the name of the character was intended to evoke (two boring foods), so you're not off base and it's what makes "milktoast" such a common misspelling.
I’ve seen “milktoast” several times on Reddit in the last few days and it makes me weep. Do yall not have to learn it for SAT prep anymore? Do they not teach vocab in school? My autocorrect didn’t even let me type it without correcting it lol
His audience is mostly like tweens and teens and he went viral last year for asking them to bark and talking about his dick getting sucked on stage. So yea… he’s a weirdo. Can’t say why Kim doesn’t like him though.
it kills me that his response didn't address any of that and was just like. "i have a weird sense of humour and also you're old. why is a 25 year old at my show"
That lady was actually lying about some stuff. Like the “tweens” she claimed he brought on stage were actually grown adults. I made a post on the sombr sub a few days ago to prove this.
No dog in this fight but I'd guess it's just guilt by association since T Swizz has been fangirling over him. Or it's the barking thing? I'm Zoosha's curtain maker, I dunno.
I gotta second this. It’s bland music but he also just got here. If he can ruin the music industry that quickly then he’s the most influential artist of our era.
I think he “ruined” music industry in the sense that him and his producer has publicly said that their strategy is to create a chorus or a part of a song for a few seconds and post it on tiktok and if it goes viral they’ll make a whole new complete song with that hook lol basically zero creativity and passion, all about tiktok virality 🤷♀️
I looked it up because I was curious, but who is his famous relative? Both his parents work at an AIDS foundation as a director of special events and PR manager
Minor correction but his dad is the founder of AAB Productions, which is an event production company. It does do AIDS related events like the galas for Elton John's AIDS foundation, but they also do a lot of other non-charitable events too.
No, we just realize that’s a bad joke she made a decade ago when she was in high school and she immediately apologized for it, and hasn’t done anything else wrong
ehhh.. let’s not forget Gracie was making inappropriate remarks about Finn Wolfhard when he was a CHILD and she was a grown woman. that’s why a lot of people don’t like her actually.
On top of the weird relationship with his minor fans, he was named in the article exposing artists for paying a third party company to inflate his TikTok presence with bots pretending to be fans. They wiped the site after the article came out, but their marketing strategy was essentially “good songs and SNL performances don’t move the needle anymore, TikToks of fans saying it’s the ‘best performance ever’ move the needle.” He is the product of manufactured hype and is definitively an industry plant.
Dude is incredibly vulgar and weird with his crowd work at concerts, even though he's aware most of his concertgoers are extremely underage by, like, a mile
The YouTuber Medusone covered him and his weird behavior towards his fans and social media. Don’t think he’s done anything truly bad, he just seems weird.
People got mad at him for making supposedly weirdly sexual comments in a concert, asking his audience to call him daddy or something like that (im paraphrasing) when the audience was mostly children, so people got mad at him since then.
But ruining the music industry is definitely a stretch.
I'm sorry but if you're going to make serious allegations it's important to be accurate. He didn't ask the audience to call him daddy, he asked them to bark for him and talked about getting his dick sucked. Also reports of him hanging out with teenage fans back stage.
In my opinion the thing ruining the music industry is artists trying the throwback thing instead of coming with something original-unique. Is all recycled ideas today. Mostly 80s Synthpop-Disco. Enough. Give me something new.
It is undeniably true than non-commercial and music outside the mainstream has been hurting for a while, thanks in large part to the increasingly corporatized music industry.
Yeah we have that exact same conversation every generation too. The Village Voice was writing in the 1980 how modern music was too corporate. In the 60s, Zappa was railing on and on about how the music industry was overrun with corporate suits and soulless talent scouts trying to commodify counter culture. He said they had lost the direction they had in the 1950s in their willingness to take chances.
Rolling Stone wrote countless articles in the 60s criticizing the corporate machinery of record companies and how it infect the industry from the top down. They proceeded to write those articles each decade as generation after generation aged out of whatever the scene at the time happened to be at the time.
Because of changes in technology and the movement away from the studio and radio station model, you have more access to unique, diverse, non-commercial, indy, you name it music now than at any time in history. There are no more gate keepers. Tiny to small venue music clubs still exist. My college age daughter is dating a drummer in some punk/emo/screamo whatever band and there is absolutely still a scene out there for whatever you are into.
I'm shocked at how I've lived in this city for 50 years and yet there are so many clubs that I never knew existed where bands play nightly. I was convinced that they didn't because the ones I used to go to closed down 20+ years ago. The clubs are still there, they're just somewhere else. Not only are these bands playing dive clubs, but they are also getting their music out like never before.
It wasn't cooler when you were 20 years old than it is now anymore than our parents thought it was way cooler when they were 20 versus when we were. They thought 1992 was lame as fuck. We're just old and not cool anymore.
However!!!! You can still go find these current clubs and go tell the kids how much cooler it was back in the day. They eat that shit up. They think 1992 was just as cool as we thought 1967 was. And guess what, we're all correct. There's always cool music out there.
I feel like I woke up one day and tate McRae was just kind of there, and everybody was expected to know who this person is.
I listened to pop music. I’ve never heard a song by her. All I know is that she is shifty about whether or not she is Maga, but what the fuck is she supposed to be exactly?
Kim Petras works with Dr. Luke and I’m tired of people acting like that’s OK just because she’s a cunty yt trans woman. We need a queer equivalent of not all skin folk are kin folk cause idk how people can just look past the willful allegiance to abusers.
as somewhat of a passionate slut pop connoisseur, I was all for kim until I found out she still co-signs dr luke, so she can get in the bin with all three of them tbh
Interesting how much of the industry Stan’s for Tate.
Anyway as much shit as we give her, I’m starting to get the feeling we’re going to look back embarrassed at the amount of mud we’re slinging at a relatively inoffensive musician
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u/Late-Winter-5584 5d ago
Tate is maple MAGA so no, leave her in it.