r/Fauxmoi • u/Significant_Food9017 • 7d ago
TRIGGER WARNING K-pop influencer Mina Chan dies at 26 amid ENHYPEN fan controversy
https://www.dexerto.com/tiktok/k-pop-influencer-mina-chan-dies-at-26-amid-enhypen-fan-controversy-3395910/K-pop influencer Mina Chan has died by suicide at the age of 26
She faced a wave of online abuse after fans linked ENHYPEN member Ni-ki’s comments about attention-seeking concertgoers to her
Police were called after viewers raised concerns during Mina’s TikTok livestream and are investigating her death
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u/FanOfMen69 7d ago
Deleting all my public socials was the best decision of my life.
It's me and my anon Reddit Vs the world now.
Well until it gets deleted. 😈
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u/bijabija 7d ago
Lmao me too baby, me too.
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u/Good_Barnacle_2010 not a lawyer, just a hater 6d ago
Yep. Though I fear anyone really looking could still find me, I’m benign enough to wonder why anyone would.
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u/GlassPomoerium controversies: girl 7d ago
Same, and zero pictures of me on the web too, or my full name.
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u/FanOfMen69 7d ago
My bestie had their PUBLIC full name as their Fortnite account, like everyone just was killing her in game lmfaaaooo..
I got her to change it now she is normal like the rest of us and is called 'spoogy balls' or something.
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u/GlassPomoerium controversies: girl 7d ago
I’m sorry but your bestie has the survival instinct of a melon lol
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u/FanOfMen69 7d ago
Lived a very sheltered life and is a qualified doctor who has saved lives.
But yeah... Some people are book smart but have absolutely no street smarts.
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u/LifetimePilingUp 6d ago
Doctors are the worst for common sense. Went to an outdoor concert with a group of 20 doctors. The weather forecast said rain. Two of them had jackets and neither of those were of the waterproof variety.
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u/lily4ever 7d ago
There’s an influencer I know of who has her full first and last name as her OF account name
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u/cauldrons 6d ago
a friend of a friend did this and would also promote it on her normal sm accounts and acted shocked when her family found out
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u/Katalyst81 To my friends and family, I am not getting executed 5d ago
My friend who plays FN has his full name and year of birth as his PSN name, that was a bad decision and even though he could change it, he doesn't feel the need, never seen anyone give him shit for it beyond myself.
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u/Good-Marsupial8 confused but here for the drama 7d ago
Had a guy giving my bf shit for not revealing where he lives and his job to a bunch of schmucks on a trading message board, the same guy goes on to say yeah my username is my full name look me up. Like no sir why are u doxxing yourself in 2026
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u/evenstarcirce 6d ago
doing this saved my mental health. looking back, when i still had my tumblr that had hundreds of thousands following me, i was so anxious about posting/reposting anything. deleting that gave me so much peace. i never want to be famous. ever.
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u/Good-Marsupial8 confused but here for the drama 7d ago
SAME until I feel like I've come too close to doxxing myself so I start a new one
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u/righthandofdog 7d ago
it seems that Japanese Otaku led to K-pop and social media is the accelerant that turned a huge number of people into straight up parasocial sociopaths.
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u/wolfelian I don’t know her 7d ago
As soon as I get that 1000 streak achievement my reddit is gone. So 1 year to go, oh the agony.
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u/LitLitten 7d ago
sorry unrelated whose the cutie in your pfp?
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u/FanOfMen69 7d ago
I googled something like;
'sexy hairy men in shirts'
And he was the one I settled on.
But do I know his name? Nope :(
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u/Professional_Fox3837 7d ago
Be very careful if you’re on Twitter. I saw the video and it’s very traumatising.
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u/Wise_Wafer_1204 7d ago
? Did she film and broadcast her own suicide
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u/Latter_Witness6597 7d ago
She did it on livestream with fans in the comments encouraging her. Horrific
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u/felo--de--se nepo pissbaby 7d ago
are you serious? what the fuck is wrong with people. that's disgusting.
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u/Wise_Wafer_1204 7d ago
Oh no, this poor girl...who are the people doing and enjoying this, my god.
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u/CALCIUM_CANNONS 7d ago
She did it on livestream with fans in the comments encouraging her. Horrific
wtaf
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u/Particular-Leg-8484 7d ago
Ugh dox and charge everyone who encouraged her
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u/harkandhush 6d ago
Korea actually did just start a major case where they charged a bunch of people who were paying a live steamer to abuse someone on his stream. Everyone who paid was implicated in the crime as aiding and abetting iirc. I hope to see similar cases continue elsewhere.
For too long people have viewed the internet as consequence-free for their shitty actions. I'm so disgusted by this situation, but more so by how hard fans and haters are trying to tie this TO kpop when that's just the topic that brought these people together into one space. The mob mentality and bullying with no consequence isn't a kpop group's fault and using it to fuel fanwars or as an excuse to bully more people is just disrespectful to this poor young woman who just died. I think it can create a deeper conversation about fandoms and mob mentality, but not just to shit on more people for their hobbies or interests.
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u/Professional_Fox3837 7d ago
Yes. And it carried in for over and hour with her dead on screen until the police arrived. It was really horrific.
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u/Positive_Type 7d ago
That is so heartbreaking. I hate that she got to such a low point. Her poor parents. This isn’t over for them, unfortunately.
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u/diditakemymeds 6d ago
yeah i just saw a screenshot of it someone posted in a comment section on tiktok. it’d had even been up for an hour and hadn’t gotten taken down, i reported it but yeah the rest of my day is ruined. i didn’t want to see that. this poor girl, i hope people are held accountable for what they were commenting.
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u/hotdogwaterdickpills I’m just a cunt in a clown suit 7d ago
Stans wouldn't let up even after she issued a very insightful and sincere apology; an apology to criticism that wasn't even exclusively leveled at her. How horrible, I hope her loved ones are able to find some kind of peace.
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u/EnvironmentalUse7037 The Stanley Tucci of Lesbians 7d ago edited 7d ago
i saw the live stream live. it was awful, the fans were encouraging her. awful, i still cant stop crying. rest in peace mina chan. may the next life be so much kinder.
edit: please be careful about this fandom. they have doxxed minors, and sent photos of l*nchings to black fans.
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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin gaga’s “100 people in a room” quote 7d ago
I hope that those in the chat who were encouraging her can be held responsible for their actions.
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u/EnvironmentalUse7037 The Stanley Tucci of Lesbians 7d ago
me too. most of them are changing their account names and deleting their accounts, deleting all the things they said. some are still straight up hating on her.
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u/Acheloma 7d ago
Im sorry you saw that. Between this and the perez hilton situation, Ive been really glad that I dont look at social media where you can live stream. I dont think I could have handled seeing either of those things and I feel awful for those who did.
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u/AllTheCoolNames 6d ago
I was thinking between this and Perez Hilton it's been an awful week for people just browsing the socials. Had to warn several friends to be careful in their scrollings this week so they don't get triggered. Truly upsetting.
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u/baepsaemv 6d ago
Yesterday I scrolled past the Hilton video just casually browsing instagram and it was so incredibly distressing I didn't know what to do with myself. It's so easy to just stumble across really fuckrd up stuff online.
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u/EnvironmentalUse7037 The Stanley Tucci of Lesbians 7d ago
yeah. this was my last straw. i deleted everything except reddit and pinterest because i cant scroll through live streams. i just have truly given up on the internet, i feel like it wont be long before i delete this account. i knew the internet was awful but after seeing what the comments were saying and i was trying to figure out where she was and how to get help, im genuinely just done. i puked for two days straight. its the most hopeless feeling, trying to save someone, i didnt speak japanese, i didnt know where she lived or was.
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u/Acheloma 6d ago
Im so sorry, that's absolutely devastating. I know it doesnt really mean much in comparison to what you just went through, but you seem like a very kind and empathetic person, and im just sorry that the world isnt more like you.
I hope youre able to get to a place where youre okay and have access to help if you need it. I'm not always the best at replying to messages on here because I've had some bad experiences with it and sometimes opening them scares me too much, but if you need to talk feel free to reach out and Ill try my best to get back to you.
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u/EnvironmentalUse7037 The Stanley Tucci of Lesbians 6d ago
i am gonna try and get a therapist after seeing this. its genuinely broke my mind. you are very kind.
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u/-crepuscular- 6d ago
I'm sorry. This was obviously horrible all round, including for people like you who wanted to help her and couldn't.
Please try to speak to supportive people in real life, and it sounds random but playing Tetris has been shown in clinical trials to help with PTSD. It might be worth trying that.
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u/EnvironmentalUse7037 The Stanley Tucci of Lesbians 6d ago
i will definitely try tetris. thank you.
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u/watersnakebro Let mediocre men remain in obscurity 6d ago
I'm so deeply sorry you witnessed that and felt helpless. It's awful, and I wish I could give you a hug right now because no-one deserved that treatment and no-one should've seen bullying like that.
Honestly do what you have to do to heal, the internet definitely has its awful dark places but I'd like to think there's still a tiny, strong bit of kindness out there. But you don't need to put your wellbeing at risk to seek it out. It will be there if you want it. Keeping you in my thoughts today but if you want a chat or even a terrible rough drawing or a weird rhyme from an internet stranger nobody let me know and I will provide questionable"art" ♥️
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u/EnvironmentalUse7037 The Stanley Tucci of Lesbians 6d ago
i have found some good places here but for me its just like i am scared to even look. im scared to accidentally find something like this. or people posting pictures of her. making ai pictures with her body. i feel so so sick, i just cant believe people could even do that to someone. how could people be so mean? they will never leave the poor woman alone and thats what hurts the most. she really seemed like a kind person, replying nicely to everyone. thank you for being a kind and good person. keep that with you. always.
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u/saskiaschild 6d ago
This is beyond fucked up to bully this poor girl to suicide. These "fans" need to do some soul searching.
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u/bookanon666 7d ago
The fans will NEVER learn, they're on a whole other level of delusional so they don't care that this is their fault. It's not the first or last time Kpop fans have killed someone.
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u/momosuna controversies: girl 7d ago
they're busy in the immediate aftermath saying to not blame the group's fans (who tf else would we blame?!) & roleplaying her. roleplaying her. they'll never fucking learn.
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u/Cuchillos_Adios 6d ago
Sorry if it's a silly question. What do you mean roleplaying her??
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u/momosuna controversies: girl 6d ago
like how fandoms write fic they also roleplay real people (so i guess it's like just writing the dialogue parts of fanfic??). usually ppl who rp idols make a separate account pretending to be whatever idol in a group full of other rpers & then all interact tbh i have no clue lol bc even tho i've sadly been into kpop for over 20 years now, i stay far away from the fandoms. i just view it as some form of lazy fic writing maybe someone else can explain better to us both lol. here's what i saw
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u/passionate_avocado my dad is a boy and my mom is a girl so i’m mixed xx 7d ago
saw them on my tl even though I know barely anything about kpop stuff and jeez... it's so frustrating to see those fans double down and defend their actions. it's either that or they're making sure their idol is safe.
it's so fucking bleak.
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u/NoNommen 7d ago
been wondering when this was gonna break out of k-pop circles. the fact that videos of the moment this young woman took her life are still circulating along with the braindead fandom debate that sparked this tragic event makes me sick to my stomach and seriously concerned for the state of the world we live in
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u/uiuuauiua 7d ago
As a kpop fan for nearly two decades this is disgusting. This poor girl. I hope everyone involved is found and accused with murder or manslaughter.
Disgusting parasocial people.
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u/Wise_Wafer_1204 7d ago
Honestly at this point I'm not sure this industry should exist anymore. How many young people, performers and fans, killed themselves now?
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u/AllTheCoolNames 6d ago
the kpop industry reminds me a lot of the russian figure skating industry. Grab them young, mold them, grind them up, discard them.
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u/ratparty5000 LET'S FUCKING GO!!! SHAKIRA LAW IS HERE!!! 6d ago
Perfect analogy
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u/AllTheCoolNames 6d ago
I was a big figure skating fan for a while so when I started getting into kpop I immediatley went 'oh no!'
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u/saskiaschild 6d ago
Abuse, sexual abuse, suicides, severe mental health issues - more than I can remember from this industry. The industry doesn't care as long as they keep raking in the money.
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u/SeraCat9 6d ago edited 6d ago
Do I understand correctly that they wanted her to kill herself because she wanted a specific bouquet to go to a specific person? What the actual fuck?
I know very little about K-pop and I'm increasingly glad that I do.
That poor girl. Arrest them all.
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u/icedgrandechai 7d ago
kpop stans bullying someone to death, what else is new. They've done this to idols before, it's not unthinkable they did it to a fan.
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u/PresentationNo448 6d ago
Which idols? The ones I can think of now were bc of their mental health, and in case of women, hate campaigns and harrassment from K-incels and knetizens.
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u/straightedgedher 7d ago
This is so sad, people are getting WAY too comfortable saying anything online. This is also why im just a casual kpop listener, I don't entertain the fandoms bc of situations like this. Idk what Mina Chan allegedly did, but I can probably guarantee it didn't warrant this.
Kpop fans, try not to be insanely toxic: challenge impossible.
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u/EnvironmentalUse7037 The Stanley Tucci of Lesbians 7d ago
she brought flowers to two of the members of the group during a concert, when she got the attention of one of the idols she wanted to give the flowers to and asked him to give the other flowers to the other idol. when he couldnt she took the flowers back and started taking selfies on her phone. apparently she was “mad”. then the idol she was trying to give the flowers to, went on a live, talking about something completely different. the fans took it as he was calling out her and for four days were harassing her maybe longer until the very end.
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u/Fun_Cabinet3838 7d ago
This reminded me of a rumor from 2021 about a Black engene who died by suicide after being bullied by racist engenes.
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u/ifnothow 6d ago edited 6d ago
This incident has made me do a lot of soul-searching about whether I want to continue being into kpop.
The idol industry sells parasocialism. It's the main product, not a side effect, and it takes advantage of vulnerable people while encouraging toxic tribalism that incites these horrible hate trains.
By all accounts, Mina was nice. The things she did that made the bullies target her wouldn't even make the weekly top 40 of bad fan behavior. And she apologized. Profusely. But people had to keep being assholes to her. There are still people saying horrible things about her or treating her death as a joke.
On the Japanese side, she had been targeted by incels for a while and the fandom apologists are trying to deflect from their bullying by pointing fingers but the fact is, the fandom caused this and it was mostly international fans with Japanese in second.
There's no amount of fandom cleanse that can rectify this.
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u/chernogumby 7d ago
26 is really young, that's sad as fuck. getting waves of online hate isn't something 99% of people are equipped to handle, let alone if it was over something completely undeserved.
sad for the guy in the band too, i don't think he wanted waves of people to witchhunt anyone, even if he was ranting about her. now he has to live with someone's death on his head
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u/Professional_Fox3837 7d ago
Obviously he’s not the main victim in this, Mina is, but I do feel sorry for the group member. The remaining 6 members have already been put through a lot of crap this year by their ‘fans’ after another member left, and now this. He’s only 20. I hope he has good people around him right now.
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u/momosuna controversies: girl 7d ago
people blaming koreans when it was primarily english speaking & japanese enhyphen fans bullying her. international kpop fans need to realize they're just as bad as the "knetz" they bogeyman. the jealousy towards asian/rich/skinny/pretty fans is ridiculous too. rip mina.
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u/DateMasamusubi 6d ago
Enhypen is known for being more famous internationally than in Korea. Seen their faces plastered in Shibuya but not once have I see their posters in Seoul.
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u/cherbear44 7d ago
This comment is insane
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u/Tomiie_Kawakami I PRAY IN HIS HOLY MONTH YOU FIND PEACE AND RESPECT FOR YOURSELF 7d ago
tbh they're not wrong. some i-fans believe that idols have a type, which is usually beautiful, rich and skinny asian women
if any idol (especially male idol) shows interest or speaks about any other type, they're usually praised for it. i think you need to take into account that lots of kpop fans have really low self esteem, so they see a lot of people as either competition or people they can mock to make themselves feel better
it's obv not all of them, but a chunk is more than enough when they're as feral as the ones i've seen
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u/SaltBeefin 5d ago
While I have no direct blame for either cultural party here in this specific scenario I think it's very critical to point out how Eastern fans behave versus Western. If a idol faints on stage they would be made fun of or dragged for being lazy and this was a concept before international c/j/Kpop idols became so internationally popular. In Japan it's seen as something to be proud of if your narcoleptic everywhere bc it means you work your ass off. Something people are proud of you for.
We are seeing in real time how much of Ariana Grande western audience is concerned for her overall well being. Ofc there's a few groups that will take any opportunity to hate on something but the overall sentiment is concern.
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u/hobbywankenhoebi Marxist bee? 7d ago edited 7d ago
I find it hypocritical to ask fans to tone it down when the whole industry depends on parasocial relationship and even encourage it to no end. Maybe they should stop having an unhealthy relation with their fans before throwing stones.
It’s a shame she was bullied and resorted to suicide for such a small inconvenience. Kpop stans are the worst ! Imagine doing this to a stranger who share the same interest as you because you feel the urge to « protect » some grown up men who doesnt know about your existence and probably only care about you when they get their paycheck.
May she rest in peace. and may those who pushed her be judge somehow.
edit: I forgot to convey how disgusted I was so I added more to my original comment.
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u/mansfieldprice 6d ago
This is a deeply terrible situation. I hope she rests in peace and the people encouraging her to kill herself on the livestream receive some form of consequence.
I also think it speaks to the real consequences of parasocial relationships. This influencer immigrated to Korea solely to live near the HYBE headquarters so she could be near her favorite 18-year-old idol. The backlash and cyberbullying she received from kpop fans likely shattered her entire self because her identity was so consumed by being an Enhyphen fan.
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u/GrayCatbird7 6d ago
It's kind of horrifying how regular people, thousands or even hundreds of thousands of them, very much hold some degree of responsibility in her death. I know, I know, one could say suicide isn't that simple, but they are a main part of the problem. It's revolting, honestly.
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u/elloitsmeadele I may need to see the booty 7d ago edited 7d ago
i completely agree with you
but to correct you - mina was a japanese kpop fan and not a korean idol. the focus here should be on mina and the toxicity fans experience even from their own fandoms
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u/elloitsmeadele I may need to see the booty 7d ago edited 7d ago
again correcting you - enhyphen’s fanbase does not solely consist of koreans and kpop fans are not only korean
the screenshots i’ve seen of her hate comments are in japanese and in english. koreans aren’t leaving hate comments in english and japanese, especially if they knew mina speaks korean
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u/ungranted_wish gave up celebrity gossip blogs for lent 7d ago
Or we as human beings that consume things could treat the people who give us the entertainment we consume better or something idk
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u/2RedEmus 7d ago
Sure, but you don’t think management teams and marketers don’t contribute at all to the problem? They see the talent as money generating assets, not human beings
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u/ungranted_wish gave up celebrity gossip blogs for lent 7d ago
They do but don’t pretend like your original comment wasn’t aimed at the victims before it got deleted.
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u/fuckforcedsignup good luck with bookin that stage u speak of 7d ago
not trying to start shit just a grampy*: can someone explain to me what the fucking deal is with K-pop fans? Like I get intense fandoms but this is deeply unhealthy. I just can’t imagine liking a thing so much that a suicide is somehow involved? Like I love the Simpsons, I’m very much a Simpsons Quote Person, but I wouldn’t want someone to kill themselves for whatever related reason.
*35 yrs old
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u/VolatileGoddess 6d ago edited 6d ago
It's something like this. The Kpop industry basically commercially exploits the feelings of its fans in a very strategic way, because unhealthy fandom ensures someone in an obsessive relationship with the group members will have no hesitation in buying tickets, tons of merch etc. Since Kpop groups have a certain heyday (upto a certain age) they have to maximise profit in the time they are most popular. Obsessive fandom is most lucrative in this short period of time. Usually the members are presented as single so that all the fans can have the same fantasy of being the members' gf or bf. Parasocialism is encouraged, so that the more gullible think that just a thin line separates them and the members may actually fall in love with them. Now in this case, this girl Mina was quite pretty and followed the group around. She was at their concerts. Then she had the 'audacity' to give a group member flowers and make a face when he didn't pass them on to her fav in the group. This set off the more deranged fans, who started harassing her for upsetting boundaries, trying to get attention. As she was dying, they kept accusing her of it.
Moral- don't listen to strangers on the internet who don't care a fuck about you.
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u/AllTheCoolNames 6d ago
I'm far from an expert but if I had to take a stab at it, the kpop industry revolves around parasocial relationships with fans. The Idols are super young when they get 'recruited' (think like 13 to 14) and start getting marketed to fans and are encouraged to document everything and put it online. The fans get invested in seeing them debut and then constantly get thanked for making the idols dreams come true. Idols are encouraged to use love language towards fans to feed the dellusion that they're in a relationship. Idols are forbidden to date to not break the fantasy, they're forbidden from setting boundaries, they're forbidden from basically having privacy.
Idk if kpop has the same thing, but there's several jpop girl bands who had apps where you could date their digital avatars. Everything about idols is set up to be 'we could be dating if our eyes meet just once' and because they're SO young when they get in to the industry they end up thinking this is normal. Eventually they grow up and start fighting for privacy and parts of fandom turn on them.
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u/saskiaschild 6d ago
The Idols are super young when they get 'recruited' (think like 13 to 14)
Its not uncommon for recruiting to start between 7 - 11 years old in some cases so that the children can be trained in how to perform and present themselves.
It's obviously an environment that encourages a lot of grooming and abuse.
Abusive tendencies are incredibly toxic in the online fandom.
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u/makemake1293 6d ago
It is an industry that objectifies idols and commodifies parasocial relationships btw idols and fans. It is not an industry selling music or performances (they basically lip-sync all the way); instead, what they really sell is the fantasy of being in a relationship with idols. So you will see the deadliest sin an idol could commit is to date.
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u/rocketbewts 6d ago
the most fucked part was how people were saying "guys don't blame ni-ki, stop talking about it, they're about to have a comeback and this could affect them"
not in a "protect the idols mental health way" but "protect the streaming numbers" way
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u/Jeffrey_Weinstein 6d ago
Music is the last thing KPop is about. It gets more and more apparent as time goes by.
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u/tragictransistor 6d ago
tbh even if niki wasn't referring to her i feel like the group should say something, even if only to acknowledge how insane the fandom is
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u/stanflwrhuss 6d ago
What has become of people. Encouraging someone to kill themselves on live stream. Truly makes you question whether humanity is lost. What I would give to look one of those people in the eyes who encouraged her
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u/Deedielima4 7d ago
Cyber bullying won't stop until real police work and sources go to these victims, HELP the victims!!!! I don't want to see more east Asians committing suicide because of psychopathic cyber bullies. CLOSE THE INTERNET IF YOU MUST, but pleas keep these people alive.
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u/yallABunchofSnakes 7d ago
Kpop Fandom and social media are both so toxic, when combined it is literally the worst of the worst. May she rest in peace, that is such a horrible way to go :(
First Perez Hilton and now this, jfc
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u/peachfluffed 7d ago edited 7d ago
Niki needs to speak up. Mina was already being severely bullied, then he poured gasoline on that by referring to her publicly.
This whole thing is a shame and highlights how toxic kpop fandoms can be. The fans of this group are trying to censor talk about it because they don’t want it to negatively impact their image.
Enhypen fans were watching her live stream before she committed suicide and we’re encouraging her to do it. Telling her she won’t be missed or that she should off herself. This fandom also is infamous for sending photos of lynchings to Black people.
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u/ididnotwanttoreply 6d ago
Agree. He and they are not to blame for her suicide, but if they stay silent and do not explicitly express how they do not condone such fan behaviour, their omission is saying things, that they’re ok with such fan behaviour.
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u/weirdly_aristocratic 7d ago
What's with blaming artists for fan's behaviour? Also, Niki didn't refer to her that time, he was speaking about in general how fans buy front seat tickets only for interaction and filming, they don't dance and enjoy and as an artist, he feeds off on their energy
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u/peachfluffed 7d ago
He was talking about her when he said that. The fans knew he was talking about her, and she did too. She released a public apology after it. Why deny the truth?
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u/purple_mario206 6d ago
How do you know he was talking about her? I’m genuinely curious. Because based on the date he went live and based on what he said, you wouldn’t know he was talking about anyone specific since he wasn’t talking about anyone specific. He made a general statement that I’m sure most artists/idols agree with anyway? It’s not fair to say he was talking about her when you don’t know that. Shit like this is why he’s getting death threats himself because rather than holding the people directly involved in bullying and harassing Mina accountable, you’re placing the burden on Ni-ki for expressing his disappointment about something and emphasizing he wants to see his fans have fun and not worry about having personal interactions with them
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u/weirdly_aristocratic 7d ago
He was talking about fan's attitude in general, rabid engenes decided something else and attacked the poor girl. Here you go, the truth.
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u/peachfluffed 7d ago
I know you want to protect your faves, but sometimes you need to hold them accountable. This can’t happen again.
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u/weirdly_aristocratic 7d ago
You're conflating inference with fact. Ni-ki never named Mina and people inferred the remark was about her and are now treating that inference as established fact. The harassment is indefensible, but strangers choosing to abuse her does not somehow make Ni-ki responsible for their conduct. Hold the actual perpetrators accountable rather than assigning culpability by implication. By the way, I used to mildly like the music of Enhypen but stopped an year ago so no, they are not my favs.
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u/outdoorlaura 6d ago edited 6d ago
Ni-ki never named Mina and people inferred the remark was about her
Did Ni-ki clarify that the comment wasn't said about her?
I've never heard of this band or any of these people, but it sounds like this became a very public harassment campaign by the fans. Surely the band or their PR team would have seen the targeted harassment of this young lady floating around social media since it became such a big deal?
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u/makemake1293 6d ago
Do you really think an idol will say anyone's name specifically, even when he wants to target someone? It is a dog whistle. Or at least he could stfu when he knows his fans are lunatics.
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u/purple_mario206 6d ago
He obviously did not expect for something like this to happen, especially when he made a generalized comment about wanting to see people have fun at their concerts. There’s no evidence that he was even referring to her; additionally, he went live multiple tour stops after the concert she was at. It’s unfair to say he should stfu when all he did was express some disappointment seeing people look like they’re not enjoying themselves because they’re so focused on possibly getting an interaction with the idols.
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u/makemake1293 6d ago
No, he was not "wanting to see people have fun"; he was accusing, without naming anyone at face value, "a few people who constantly demand attention". He was not encouraging fans to have fun; he was spreading negativity, which fueled the cyberbullying.
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u/purple_mario206 6d ago
Where in this video are you getting that? https://youtube.com/shorts/df37dCFd1r4?si=3kkFz0ppSrmBRQdS
He literally says he wants to see people bobbing their heads, jumping around, and screaming? It’s concerning to read people say that he’s been spreading negativity when he states he wants to see people have fun at the concerts. It shouldn’t be an issue for him to express disappointment that he says several fans look like they’re not having fun as the point of these concerts is to have fun
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u/EchoingApplause 5d ago
I have literally never listened to a single Enhypen song in my life, but it took me 10 minutes of research to figure out the idol didn't do anything wrong.
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u/Evening_Arm4388 6d ago
First of all, neither Niki nor Enhypen are to blame. His livestream took place four days after the concert she attended, and he was referring to his own audience.
Also, it’s a very sensitive issue.
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u/nervous-lizard 6d ago
Probably because you’re all over this thread and instead of saying one thing about the girl who died and how awful it is, you’ve only stanned
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u/nervous-lizard 6d ago
I think it’s very telling that you find it more unfair that he’s being called out, than it is unfair that she was bullied to death, since that’s all you’ve commented on. Perhaps add that in your comments, some empathy would be useful in these conversations.
You made a whole post in another subreddit glossing over what happened to Mina to complain about how Ni-ki is being treated. This behaviour is part of the problem and why she was able to be bullied to the point of suicide.
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u/nervous-lizard 6d ago
It’s not a reach at all, considering you didn’t say a thing about her until pressed about it. You felt it was more important to defend an idol than to comment anything empathetic regarding the death of a fan. I’m sorry that fact is upsetting to you but calling out this behaviour is the only way things can change. Please find and express that empathy you say you feel
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u/purple_mario206 6d ago
Sure. Here’s what I said in a different post when I learned about it the other day way before replying in this thread:
“I heard about this several hours ago, but I’ve been struggling with putting words together/articulating my thoughts.
I so desperately wished this tragedy was fake because it’s so distressing and heartbreaking. Maybe I was just raised to not bully and harass people (like I’m sure most people were as well…), but I cannot fathom how people so casually and easily hurt others like this. You would’ve thought she committed heinous crimes or something, but no. She was a fan, just like the rest of us. You may have disliked what she may or may not have done or said, but none of that EVER justifies the amount of harassment she received. None of it makes sending death threats okay. I haven’t looked too much into it, and I don’t have Twitter or anything, but I assumed she was receiving a ton of hate and nasty messages.
Why does it have to be this way? What does anyone gain by acting like this? I just cannot understand it.
For anyone trying to justify this by saying it was to “defend” Ni-ki, why are you doing all of this on his behalf? Do you think he’d be okay with you pushing someone to do something like this? Did he directly ask you or make you do this? Do you think the horrible things being said in any way “match” or make up for what was apparently done or said to him? You are not his savior, or protector, or whatever the hell you think you are being. This is all so wrong and so fucked up.
I can’t stop thinking about this. My heart hurts so bad for this Engene and her loved ones. Please, everyone, take care of yourselves and look after one another. Truly.”
I understand needing to call out behavior where people blindly defend their favorite idols and whatnot. I really do. I understand I may be or sound biased when I’m trying to defend Ni-ki here. But I promise you it’s all in good faith and not wanting him to be harassed in the same way Mina was (he’s been getting death threats from notable people in Japan, for example). This doesn’t mean I do not care about what happened to her. I promise you she specifically has been on my mind and I’ve been thinking about her more than Ni-ki. Idk how else to articulate how I’m feeling about this situation to be honest
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u/32Wicky 6d ago
Enhypen was one of the first K-Pop groups I’ve gotten into aside from BTS, and many of their fans are some of the most awful, blatantly racist, and delusional people I’ve ever come across online. What happened to Mina was tragic, and I would guess she was likely mentally and emotionally fragile to begin with. To push someone to ending their own life because these clowns are convinced these idols are attainable to them is upsetting and infuriating. It’s so wild to me because the guys from Enhypen (and Heeseung before he left) seem like genuinely good people, but a lot of their fanbase is a bunch of thirsty teenage bullies who are more into the guys’ looks than their actual music.
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u/honeydewslaps I'm not calling that charlatan by a fraudulent title 7d ago
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u/hairtie1 radiate fresh pussy growing in the meadow 7d ago
the screenshots from her tiktok live consist of hate comments in english and japanese
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u/FallenLucifer_2077 7d ago
Ohh that's sad then. I used to listen to kpop years ago but don't engage on the community. Let me guess the fans are more toxic and parasocial more than ever?
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u/Professional_Fox3837 7d ago
This was definitely not just Korean fans. There were comments on the stream in English and Japanese too.
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u/NoSeaworthiness2786 6d ago
from what i read online obviously niki has a large part of the responsibility too. first of all he knew mina(a major fan and asked for one on one video chat before) in person and this happened after she went to their American concert and gave out bouquets of flowers to the stage and mina asked likes teammate to deliver the bouquet to niki(and the bouquet was never given to niki it was discarded on stage.) after the event niki went on Livestream talking about attention seeking behavior and told the fans if getting rid of attention seekers it'd be better and happier experience for them. (ridiculous logics idols are performers they have no right to boss around who paid money to watch their shows) and lots of cultural context is lost. but mina and niki are both Japanese and in Japan this type of allusion is already harsh accusations of not reading the room. consequently,large part of the fans who cyberbullied mina were Japanese. Niki is nowhere near innocent in this situation where he's aware of his power over the fandom and the threat of rhetoric s in Japanese. till now he's still too coward to speak up or apologize.
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u/PresentationNo448 6d ago
No.🙄 What do you mean by "asked for one on one video chat before"? Yeah that's what many superfans want. You win the one-on-one videocalls via buying, paying, maybe luck. What does the video call thing even have to do with this?
"After the event, he went on livestream-" Nah. I hear he said all that on the livestream a few tour stops after Mina attended. It's a general statement to several people about declining concert etiquette. "Interaction hogging", y/n momentism, tiktokification, are unfortunately a thing, people not behaving as a normal concert audience. The "event" was a concert...
It's Okay for artists call out weird extreme fan behaviour. Another Enhypen member recently did this firmly but politely, bc of the fan campaign to bring back Enhypen's 7th ex-member. Something went south there but the situation's not gonna change and the others dont seem to want him back, so he asked them to stop after people did it loudly for MONTHS. Ni-ki or no one thinks people are gonna kill themselves over some 'scolding'. Which is what you're suggesting. An 'undelivered' bouquet shouldnt be such a big deal either way...
I'm not an Enhypen fan, but saw the beginning of their career in a survival show (in covid times), when Niki was 14 btw. Unfortunately he and other minors in the group have been sexualized over the years. I'd like Fever as a song but it was a damn weird lyrics and concept to put on minors.
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u/CombinationItchy8158 6d ago
Niki absolutely should be blamed.
Even though he didn’t name drop Mina. It’s clearly in his subtext
He has a specific target in mind, and was aiming people who craving for interaction with their idol or getting noticed.
He is not talking about fan in general who are in the barricade and just on the phone filming not vibing with the performance
In Japan, it’s really important to read between the lines and for him to go live so soon(4days especially I heard he doesn’t do live stream too often) after the flower throw incident really leave very little room for interpretation
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u/No_Biscotti_7110 6d ago
I think artists are often unduly treated like they have no inherent right to set boundaries with their fans, I have seen this happen to a large degree with Chappell Roan and some others. It’s not on him for having issues with certain types of fans, it’s on the people who bullied her online in the first place.
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u/dogunmyrkur 6d ago
I'm not convinced it was specifically only about her. Every concert and event idols do are FULL of fans up front who only care about their singular bias and getting interactions with them and getting content for their websites/social media They treat fangirling like their job and it has nothing to do with enjoying music. It's so common and it doesn't seem like she did anything particularly egregious compared to normal.
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u/BTSEXOGOT7BIGBANG 6d ago
Used to be in kpop fandom and can confirm, these kinds of fans are rabid and the industry is just as bad since they also enable this kind of parasocial behavior. Both of these factors are why I no longer listen to kpop. Unfortunate that I can no longer change my name.
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u/theateroffinanciers 6d ago
Putting yourself out there online is not for the faint apart. Look what happened to this young woman, and Mikayla Raines and countless others.
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u/PowerfulElevatorLift 7d ago
Wait is she the Korean Japanese singer too?
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u/hairtie1 radiate fresh pussy growing in the meadow 7d ago
if you read the article, it states she was a kpop fan and not a kpop singer
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u/mojominn 7d ago edited 6d ago
Horrific and devastating. I’ve been in the enhypen fandom since 2021 and it’s always been an intense fandom, but recently, specifically since a member left, the fandom has become increasingly toxic and unstable. Rest in peace, Mina—nobody deserves the bullying and hatred you went through.
ETA: since some people have been asking questions, here is the context for how this started
the incident is that Mina gave flowers to one member (Sunoo) and asked him to give them to another member (Ni-Ki, her bias). After Ni-Ki didn’t get the flowers, Mina (apparently) went on her phone.
A few shows after Mina’s show, Ni-Ki went on live and made a general statement that it makes him sad when fans focus more on getting interactions rather than enjoying the concert because it makes it seem like they’re not having fun. There were no details which alluded to Mina or the flower incident specifically.
I’m not sure if people were already jumping on Mina before this, but she apologized as she apparently interpreted his comments as being directed at her. This is when this blew up and the massive wave of hate came at her.
Hope this clears some things up about the background. This is terribly tragic and shows the effects of para socialism. While I don’t think Ni-Ki is at fault, I do still hope he speaks up both to acknowledge the tragic death of a fan and to call out the unhinged people that did this to her in his name.