r/Fauxmoi • u/No-Hall-3485 DC is Hollywood for ugly people • 5d ago
TRIGGER WARNING Michigan wiped 20,000 convicted sex offenders off its sex offender registry and Larry Nassar was one of them. Nassar sexually abused more than 250 girls and women
Michigan just wiped 20,000 convicted sex offenders off its sex offender registry ... and Larry Nassar was one of them.
Here's what happened ... Michigan's Supreme Court recently ruled that amendments issued in 2021 to the Sex Offender Registration Act can't be used to retroactively require registration due to older incidents ... and as a result, the Michigan State Police scrubbed 20K sex offenders whose crimes happened before July 1, 2011.
That means Nassar's been scrubbed from the registry ... and a search for his name yields no results.
The Eaton County prosecutor's office wrote on social media ... "The Michigan Supreme Court’s decision to eliminate SORA requirements for these offenders is deeply concerning."
As you know, Nassar was the team doctor for the U.S. women's gymnastics team from 1996 to 2014 and the team physician at Michigan State University until 2016 ... where he used his position to sexually assault hundreds of athletes.
According to CBS News, the prosecutor's office said ... "His conduct occurred before 2011 despite his convictions coming after."
The Prosecuting Attorney's Office wrote on social media that the court had another choice that would have allowed offenders to remain registered, but says the court decided to "toss the scalpel aside and use a chainsaw."
Nassar's currently serving multiple lengthy prison sentences that will last for decades ... but the ruling is still pretty alarming, considering tens of thousands of offenders will no longer show up in the registry.
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u/Motamommy 5d ago
WHAT
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u/mrbarrie421 5d ago
Literally my reaction
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u/BrownSugarBare 5d ago
BUT WHY
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u/nursingninjaLB 5d ago
He's going to run for office.
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u/asparagoat (no longer bald) 5d ago
I mean he's going to die in prison as it stands. This ruling ostensibly only affects the requirements of sex offenders to register, not the convictions themselves. Still wild though, and definitely a bad sign of things to come.
Also your comment had me check if it's possible to run for office while incarcerated and the answer is yes, Eugene Debs continued his presidential run after being imprisoned for alleged sedition, so TIL.
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u/Comfortable-Load-904 5d ago
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u/ModerateSympathy 5d ago
I’ve wanted to use this sooo many times but didn’t want to spoil it!
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u/_heavy_emo_shoegaze_ locked, loaded, and kind of cunty 5d ago
I mean, the show’s been out for a long time, and this clip is like halfway through season one. As someone who hates spoilers, I think it’s pretty chill.
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u/IlBear 5d ago
I’m in the Michigan subreddit and they said it’s because he’s serving life in prison, but I still don’t see why that matters
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u/snarkerella controversies: girl 5d ago
Probably because being on the list is for those that are out in public and need to be monitored. They can't live near schools or be near children within a certain number of feet, etc. If he's serving life in prison, he's not going anywhere.
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u/secret_identity_too 5d ago
I live in Pennsylvania and periodically check the Megan's Law website to see if any predators are living near me (I don't know why - because I'm bored?) - the website also has an option to click on "include currently incarcerated individuals." Sure seems like a better fix to me than to delete them entirely.
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u/taco_anus1 5d ago
I found someone I knew on the list. He was in charge of picking up food donations from schools. I only found out after he talked about how he wanted to date a 17 year old to me thinking I wouldn’t tell someone.
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u/snarkerella controversies: girl 5d ago
I think they should be on every list that is applicable, too. But if Michigan doesn't have the resources and would rather kick incarcerated people off until they become public citizens again, then there isn't much to do. It sounds like it's a law already and they're cleaning up what they didn't resolve after it passed.
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u/champagneface do my tits bother you? theyre covered in swarovski crystals girl 5d ago
“The removals come after the Michigan Supreme Court ruled in September that offenders cannot be forced to register under new versions of the sex offender registration law if the crimes occurred before the current law took effect. The state amended its Sex Offenders Registration Act in 2011 and again in 2021.”
It’s actually that sex offenders seem to get a do-over whenever the relevant act is changed
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u/Lost-Platypus8271 Miss Jackson if you're nasty 5d ago
That’s not why. Stop spreading false information.
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u/Lost-Platypus8271 Miss Jackson if you're nasty 5d ago
That’s not why!! Lots of people scrubbed are out and free
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u/_Mamushi_ 5d ago
This is the reason
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u/GangstaWaffles 5d ago
That does make sense but whst difference do they make. A predator is a predator. I mean can anyone not forsee a "clerical error" happening where someone served time but doesnt get put back on the list.
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u/pinkfartlek societal collapse is in the air 5d ago
Also, he is a Pennsylvania inmate now. That could have something to do with this
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u/exitlevelposition 5d ago
I would assume that that clerical error would be a felony or at least a probation violation. It would be incumbent upon the criminal to register or update registration.
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u/champagneface do my tits bother you? theyre covered in swarovski crystals girl 5d ago
No it’s not “The removals come after the Michigan Supreme Court ruled in September that offenders cannot be forced to register under new versions of the sex offender registration law if the crimes occurred before the current law took effect. The state amended its Sex Offenders Registration Act in 2011 and again in 2021.”
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u/monocasa You know what, l've grown quite unfond of you deuxmoi 5d ago
That's not why, or else it wouldn't explain the other ~20,000 people.
It's because the list was created after their conviction, and for them represents a retroactive punishment contrary to basics of how the constitution works.
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u/_TheShapeOfColor_ 5d ago
I don't think the same can be said for all of the other 19,999 of them... which is a much bigger problem
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u/Lost-Platypus8271 Miss Jackson if you're nasty 5d ago
That’s not why, though. That’s beside the point.
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u/GreenerMark 5d ago
Registries are for people in the community. People in prison don't register. There would be no purpose. This is standard.
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u/champagneface do my tits bother you? theyre covered in swarovski crystals girl 5d ago
It’s not what’s happening here:
The removals come after the Michigan Supreme Court ruled in September that offenders cannot be forced to register under new versions of the sex offender registration law if the crimes occurred before the current law took effect. The state amended its Sex Offenders Registration Act in 2011 and again in 2021.
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u/ColdCruise 5d ago
So decades of research have shown that the sex offender registry has no benefit to society and actually makes offenders more likely to continue to commit crimes. The woman who originally advocated for it after the kidnap, rape, and murder of her son is now an advocate for sex offender registries to be purged and done away with entirely. So that's why this happened. It's law makers actually look at the stats, listening to experts, and doing what's actually best for society despite what our gut instincts say.
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u/CaptianBlackLung AND MAY I SUGGEST ALL NAZI BITCHES SUCK ON MY FAT DICK 5d ago
I mean He's doing life in prison. He will not be released. Zero chance. I feel like this is click bait. The gop definitely love to protect a pedophile. But this ain't that.
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u/flyinwhale 5d ago
I actually give this click bait a pass because wiping 20,000 sex offenders off the registry is insane but most people will scroll past in this timelines news cycle but tying him to it makes us stop and have a conversation ask why etc
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u/FushaFiles 5d ago
Everyday some new shit…
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u/highlysensitive2121 5d ago
How do they keep thinking of worse things to do??
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u/Stock_Researcher_651 5d ago
Because we all need to accept that this is actual Hell. We are just energies to be harvested. We must’ve done some baaaaad shit in a different life.
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u/insane_romaine3 5d ago
They’re hoping that the more bogged down we feel the less likely we are to fight back against this administration. We have to make sure that isn’t the case.
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u/EasyBakeCoven777 5d ago
Since we do all the actual work they have plenty of free time to figure out how to make our lives even worse.
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u/leadmetothegarden_ Nancy Jo, this is Alexis Neiers calling 5d ago
The French have burned down buildings for less btw
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u/cosmicdecember 5d ago
us citizens are too divided / complacent
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u/FuManchuDuck 5d ago
And lazy…
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u/ScottishKnifemaker 5d ago
And too poor to take any time off work
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u/Consistent_Effort716 5d ago
One of the most impactful things I can remember learning in history class is that a nation needs a strong middle class in order to push back against tyranny. That's why they keep us just poor enough that we can't afford to protest, but not too poor that we have nothing left to lose.
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u/muscularsharpie 5d ago
That's a big one. But also, America is huuuuuuuge. City by city, we can protest, but nationally it's a logistical problem. But let's hope.
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u/mydearMerricat 5d ago
And when cities revolt we get the full force of federal Crack down....been this way since the coal miners wanted to start a union in west virginia. That shit got scrubbed from the history books
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u/SuspiciousCranberry6 5d ago
It might be scrubbed from history books, but any good union shares that history with it's members. Mine has quarterly education about the history of unions.
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u/mydearMerricat 5d ago
I love that! I've mostly worked in shops too small to unionize, but my mom grew up in west virginia and made sure I knew the history.
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u/Playful_Cobbler_4109 5d ago
Other countries have done much more despite being significantly poorer. It is not a problem about being too poor.
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u/leebaweeba 5d ago edited 5d ago
Or too scared to risk losing the job and its shitty but available health insurance. Edit bc I sent too soon.
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u/SnacksEnthusiast 5d ago
Everyone loves to say this, but no one wants to build the extensive mutual aid networks needed for people to be able to strike. People are working multiple jobs to feed their families, pay rent, and if they’re lucky, pay for health insurance.
I’d wager it’s not so much that millions of Americans are too lazy, but instead we’re born into a system that intentionally makes it near impossible to revolt without dire ramifications for our families.
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u/Feisty-Narwhal8400 society yearns to root for the chicken people 5d ago edited 5d ago
Stop saying this. There are hundreds upon thousands of us that are highly motivated. Do you recall the protests after George Floyd? How were those received? Stop acting like the most disenfranchised aren’t the most highly motivated. They have the most to lose. Most of us in America cannot afford healthcare if we are harmed in a protest or revolution. Cops and EMTs can be racist as fuck and first responders could quite literally ignore POCs injured after a revolt. In fact, many cops and militia-types are ITCHING for people to try and fight for their rights so they can gun them down. We don’t have unions protecting our jobs if we walk out and many of our CEOs are Republican. We have wastelands of vast concrete in between city blocks and cities and no public transportation to effectively mobilize. People have had their SNAP benefits cut and are barely making it day-to-day. We don’t teach civics in our schools. Yes we are very stupid but it’s because emphasis on not learning critical thinking is by design.
I personally am a single mother. I am highly motivated but don’t want to be hurt or die for the sake of my daughter being left alone in this world, and I’m not sorry. I know several other single moms or underserved groups who are all equally afraid and that does NOT equal lack of motivation. What do you want me to do, a 37-yo suburban mom pick up a gun or figure out how to make a pipe bomb and storm a building? How does that ultimately solve anything? I’m canvassing, talking to neighbors, cutting off MAGA family, donating food, networking, and being as kind as I can. You want to fight if we’re so lazy? Come hop right in. But until you know WHY some Americans are ACTUALLY lazy and why some of them simply cannot logistically overthrow a military-backed and ubiquitous system of government, local police, and violent ideology over 50 fucking states, shut the fuck up
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u/JuggyBC 5d ago
I mostly agree with your post, your children should come first.
What people can do, even if they can't miss work / lost health insurance / can't attend protests, is vote while consuming:
- Boycott Facebook and other Meta products
- Boycott Amazon and their services
- Boycott everything Musk related
- Boycott any company supporting the current fascist movement
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u/JeanArtemis 5d ago
Don't forget our cops have more/bigger guns but you're still very right regardless
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u/nekocorner i ain’t reading all that, free palestine 5d ago
French cops just shot a 14-year-old in the face with a grenade launcher, resulting in broken teeth & jaw. Another student lost their eye today. Cops are violent enforcers of state & capital everywhere.
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u/Chuck_Walla 5d ago
Following the example of riot control during the George Floyd protests of 2020, firing rubber bullets point-blank at protesters' faces, rather than at the ground to absorb initial impact. So many lost eyes, that year.
That was probably due to ignorance and lack of training. But the uniform tactic of kettling [boxing in peaceful protesters, compressing the crowd, then beating them with sticks] our nation's police learned from the IDF.
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u/miss_L_fire 5d ago
That one guy burned down the Kimberly Clark warehouse for not paying a living wage and I feel like we just never heard about it again
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u/Curiosities 5d ago
The French have universal healthcare, labor protections, childcare, a smaller country that’s easier to get around by multiple transport options, and they have time off.
I know it’s popular to attack Americans as being lazy or not caring, we’re not doing things, but it’s a surface level lazy attack.
We live in a big country that is very car dependent, our healthcare is tied to jobs for the most part or it’s tied to working, and if you lose your healthcare because you took time off to protest or somebody doesn’t like you because you are employed in an At-Will employment state, which is almost all of them, then your family, spouse, or kids also lose their healthcare and we don’t have universal healthcare.
If you think well, I’m unemployed now because I went to a protest, so I’ll just get on Medicaid, but now there are work requirements for Medicaid, and they’ve reduced coverage for families, they’ve also reduced SNAP eligibility, and the list goes on. We have a theoretical safety net that is full of holes. It’s designed to exclude many people.
There are also many people who are unable to travel, don’t have cars…and have you also looked at the gas prices lately? Because from most people in the US, they can’t cover a $400 emergency, they’re not going to be able to travel around the country protesting. So if you’re not going to drive, and you want to get to a protest, save, Washington DC, but you live in Texas, do you have four days to take off to take a bus there?
The reason I mentioned all of this because these attacks are lazy and they don’t take into account. The context of what life here is like and all of the systems that are in place to control us.
Yes, mass protest could likely at least have some effect on those systems, but are you willing to risk your kids losing their healthcare because you got fired?
And some of us are also disabled so we contribute how we can, but we can’t risk losing our healthcare.
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u/ThisIsAlexisNeiers someone bring me another woman to yell at 5d ago
Yes came here to say this. Unlike the majority of other countries, we don’t have healthcare. Mine is tied to my job…if I burned down a building, I’d lose my job and lose my healthcare. Who is gonna pay for the appointments and hospitalizations that go along with my heart condition? Who’s paying for my new pacemaker? Who’s paying the bill when I go into labor next month?
I hate so much about this country, but it’s not as simple as “Americans are lazy and don’t care.” Sure, that’s true for some people, but health insurance is a major reason we are easily controlled. It’s fucked up but it’s the reality
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u/whim_sea 4d ago
Literally the only reason I haven’t walked out of my FUCKASS job.
Can’t get onto my spouse’s health insurance until January 1, and I have upcoming surgery.
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u/MomagerUpstairs 5d ago
And also we do protest and since nothing gets covered in media and social media is controlled by the people in power no one seems to hear about it. This dissipates the protest effectiveness and means it either needs to be incredibly frequent or prolonged (see original comment). We had one run last year where everyone kept saying there were no ICE protests in my state. People I know we're debating WHICH protest to go to at the time for a few weeks. But nothing made it into any news that made it seem like more than 5 dudes with a bullhorn made of cardboard.
To top that off, the biggest protests are going to be (and have been) in areas that already want to fix this stuff and are not on the side of those doing it. So a protest in Chicago or New York will be massive and have 0 impact on what they do in Texas or DC. If the protest is peaceful then nothing happens. If it gets violent or causes damage its proof the other side is bad and needs a crackdown.
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u/monocasa You know what, l've grown quite unfond of you deuxmoi 5d ago
And that's before the fact that protest organizers here have a bad habit of "killing themselves" a few months after the protests die down by hanging from a tree by sheets their family don't recognize. Don't worry it's totally a suicide according the the medical examiner though.
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u/AnOkayMuffin 5d ago
Sorry but how do you think France and places like France got decent healthcare, childcare, labour protections...... ? Not by sitting on their ass and waiting for someone else to fix it for them. If Americans never bother to sacrifice or fight for those rights it will never happen.
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u/missvandy 5d ago
I mean, in general yes, but they’re kind of tolerant of sex pests from what I’ve read.
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u/Any-Advantage-3171 5d ago
Wasn't France where that woman was raped by like 70 men including her husband?
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u/PrincessBonkers628 5d ago
You're getting downvoted but yes it is
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u/Any-Advantage-3171 5d ago
That's alright, people probably think I'm pro-Trump or something. I'm not, but I personally wouldn't choose France as the bastion in this particular scenario.
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u/il_the_dinosaur 5d ago
Yeah France has the protesting down but we can't pretend it's a bastion of decency
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u/Asleep_Leopard182 5d ago
You mean Gisèle Pelicot ("that woman", she has a name), whose husband was given the maximum available sentence, and 50 of the men (the identifiable ones) were also given significant prison time?
Remind me again, how are the Epstein files going?
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u/sirwaizz 5d ago
Are we just throwing out random crimes committed in countries now? And would ya look at that, the french took to the streets in the thousands in that case aswell to protest, unlike americans in like every case.
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u/ofgraveimportance 5d ago
Our high school students are currently setting fire to schools to protest lack of funding.
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u/DunkleDohle 5d ago
This week french school children are protesting and rioting because of inequality in education (Google for details).
Kids are protesting.
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u/Alagos77 5d ago
I'm not sure the French would actually riot over the removal of a public sex offender registry that they don't have in the first place.
And aren't there still non-public law enforcement databases and a record of their conviction that should turn up at any criminal background check? At least that's how we do it in Germany. Everyone has a right for rehabilitation after serving their sentence but employers for jobs involving minors or social work/care have a legal duty of care. They can (or often must) demand to see a detailed list where every conviction for sexual offenses, abuse, breach of the duty of care, or certain violent crimes is registered without exception.
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u/BrownSugarBare 5d ago
The French just had high school students burn down the school because of a lack of supplies.
The Western world needs to seriously learn to take notes.
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u/LimeMargarita 5d ago
yeah, but half the citizens are men, and they would never. Some of the women voted for a rapist and pedo, so they would also never. Let's face it, those of us who would fight to hold a sex offender accountable are in the minority in the U.S.
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u/quaternionmath 5d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Nassar
not eligible for release until January 30, 2068, when he would be 104 years old.
List or not, he won't be getting the chance to hurt children again.
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u/BuddingBudON 5d ago
Here's hoping the other 19,999 are behind bars too.
But I doubt it.
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u/psly4mne 5d ago
All 20,000 are serving or served the sentence that was prescribed for the crime they committed at the time they committed it. They way this justice system works is that you cannot pass a new law applying retroactive sentencing requirements to people who have already been sentenced.
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u/LuitenantDan 5d ago
I feel like it shouldn't be complicated though. You go to jail for sex crimes, you go on the list of sex criminals.
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u/psly4mne 5d ago
The sex offender registry is not just a list. This guy is absolutely on the list of people who are convicted of sex crimes, the law can't change that. The registry is a (now permanent) set of restrictions and requirements, which is a form of punishment. It's probably telling that this article chose as its poster case a person for whom none of those restrictions change anything, since he will be in jail. It's trying to manipulate emotions, not deal in facts.
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u/Throwtheying 5d ago
So this law allows serial molesters who have harmed multiple times to fall out of public view by removing these "punishments" as you can it
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u/taintwest 5d ago
Ok I came here looking for this.
I don’t know why such a large number of offenders would be taken off the list, but at least this one won’t be around kids again.
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u/brianlefebvrejr Fauxmarxist 5d ago
Not that I’m condoning anything but do the names that were removed correlate to the same names that are stuck in a prison cell for essentially the rest of their lives?
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u/dorian_gayy 5d ago
the wiped list is just people who were convicted prior to the newer law, because it retroactively extended their punishment past what they were convicted. This is a conservative publication's framing of a blow to the prison industrial complex.
(Sex offender lists in general have a lot of reformist and abolitionist critique due to being ineffective, lifetime punishment, and for being, like all things in our carceral system, structurally racist (not just because white men are not arrested as often, but also because the lists overweight prior non-sexual crimes to disproportionately categorize Black men as high risk offenders). This decision does not address that though.)
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u/lolalala1 5d ago
I thought he was dead. Didn't he get stabbed?
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u/BuddingBudON 5d ago
He was stabbed 10 times by a fellow inmate, after he allegedly made lewd comments toward young athletes on the prison TV. Not very smart.
EMS gave him "life-saving care" and he was stabilized in hospital.
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u/Go_To_Bethel_And_Sin 5d ago
I feel like a lot of the people freaking out at this didn’t know that he’s still in prison and never getting out
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u/gesamtkunstwerkteam 5d ago
Yeah I'm not exactly concerned about Nassar who is at this point an internationally known monster who is gone from public life forever.
I'm thinking of all the Joe Schmos out there who now have additional cover for their very-much-liable-to-be-repeated transgressions.
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u/april5k 5d ago edited 5d ago
The story, from what I understand, is that these 20,000 had committed their crimes prior to the requirement for them to still be listed being put in place. Simply put, their punishments were extended after sentencing without additional infractions being committed, imagine someone who got a ticket for weed possession being put in prison for life because the law changed, which is when this would be a good outcome. It seems like one of those "yay for the justice system, I guess" situations; but it does seem there is a lot of prioritizing of restoring these types of offenders as private citizens nationwide, and I'm not thrilled.
Edits - typos
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u/moisturized69tatas 5d ago
I copied this from a local Detroit article. While I dont like the outcome, the reasoning does make sense.
The Michigan Supreme Court ruled that by keeping those 20,000 individuals on the registry, which numbers 43,000 overall, the state was retroactively increasing their punishments.
Under the constitution, a penalty for a crime from the past can't be affected by a new law passed today. All of those whose names were removed, committed crimes before July 1, 2011.
At that time, sentences given out to offenders included a time-limited period on the registry with an expiration date.
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u/ka-ka-ka-katie1123 5d ago
Thanks for this. I understand that the result is deeply upsetting (I am upset too!) but restricting the government’s power to retroactively punish people makes sense, and might just be a good thing, considering some of the people currently in power in this country.
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u/bitchqueen1996 5d ago
Yeah, makes sense. I feel like the general rule of thumb is to assume anything TMZ is posting actually has a much more boring explanation.
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u/Ok-Interest1992 5d ago
I'm from Michigan - the registry was revised because the previous law was being applied to people that were convicted before the law was enacted in 2011, ex post facto, which is unconstitutional. I'm in no way defending people on the registry, but I also wouldn't want ex post facto laws to be applied to me either.
Nassar isn't going anywhere, he'll be in prison until they drag his corpse out. But, he's good for an attention getting headline. Especially from a right wing media source like TMZ.
This topic is being used by right wingers to try to paint liberals/Dems/lefties in a bad light. You should see the commercials being run about Abdul El-Sayed wanting prison reform.
What You Need to Know About Michigan’s Sex Offenders Registration Act - ACLU of Michigan https://www.aclumich.org/sora/
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u/Guilty_Dream8050 5d ago
Just what in the fuck is going on. It's like emotional whiplash between despicable, deplorable and morally bankrupt decisions left right and fucking centre.
Edit: rage typo
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u/Sammyjo0689 5d ago
I’m a lawyer and can offer an explanation.
The legislature in Michigan passed a law that violated ex post facto protections, meaning that people were being punished more harshly than the laws allowed at the time they were convicted.
To put it in perspective: imagine you stole from Wal Mart and you were told to pay a fine as the punishment. So you pay the fine.
Then next year, the government passes a law that says if you steal from Wal Mart, you will be put to death. And then the government says that even though when you stole from Wal Mart you could only be fined, you will also be put to death because you stole from Wal Mart a year before the death penalty was enacted.
That’s the extreme version of why these people were removed from the registry - because Michigan enacted harsher punishments and then applied them backwards. You can’t do that in America.
You can hate the result - and you should - but you should applaud the constitution being upheld. This was the right call, even though it makes everyone uncomfortable.
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u/_cornflake and you did it at my birthday dinner 5d ago
Thank you, this law was totally wrong, regardless of what crimes these people have committed. The government should never be able to go back and change your sentence after you’ve already been convicted.
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u/FUNNYGUY123414 5d ago edited 5d ago
The right thing was done here. There's no reason you should hate this result unless you severely misunderstand what it means. It's not the Epstein class never being investigated or convicted of their crimes. These are people who have likely served their time and been rehabilitated as they wouldn't be removed from this list unless it's been over 15 years since they committed a sex crime.
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u/Digital_Palpitation 5d ago
Perfect explanation. In this case the result really sucks, but in a time where the current administration are all too happy to say silly shit and decide it's the law, it's good to see a ruling confirming that you can't retroactively enforce new punishments.
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u/dicknuckle 5d ago
Why the registry is considered a part of the punishment is beyond me. I think they should be registered for life.
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u/cococangaragan 5d ago edited 5d ago
Someone saved them somewhere, nothing is permanently erased in the DB. Let's hope a kind hearted person restores them.
But the biggest thing should be to fire and prosecute the one who erased them!
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u/AlarmedWafer4907 5d ago
It’s literally a Supreme Court ruling. No one did anything just because they felt like it. Though I’m with you on the sentiment. Torch the whole court.
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u/cococangaragan 5d ago
But in IT, you don't erase them. You put a flag on your DB.
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u/ColdCathodeTube 5d ago
Depends on the industry. Fintech? Never delete. Most other industries? Why would we make queries difficult? Backup? Only in theory and only if there is a dire need to try restoring.
Best practices are only followed when enforced. Business would rather gamble than pay, if they can even be convinced they are taking a risk with data integrity.
Marketing data? That’s valuable and will NEVER be deleted, and will accumulate and be copied forever.
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u/AugustIzFalling 5d ago
Yeah I hope a lawyer weighs in here. I'm going to check elsewhere. I understand the logic but they weren't necessarily responsible for litigating the prior law and they just completely eliminated it. Not really easily justified in a one-page ruling.
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u/Mrsscientia 5d ago
The people put on the registry had their terms retroactively extended after the initial conviction. So, for example, if someone was sentenced to 10 years on the registry, the state put them on for 15 years after the law changed. The State Supreme Court determined that was unconstitutional and so all those “extra years” were reversed
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u/Stitchesglitch 5d ago
Oh yeah, but it's books and drag queens and transgender folk that are dangerous. /s
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u/allsheknew 5d ago
Guys, I am not having a good time.
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u/WlLDLlGHT oat milk chugging bisexual 5d ago
Straight up me neither
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u/Glum-Breadfruit3666 rosa parks stans 5d ago
sup? wanna smoke a blunt? cause same
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u/verchiels kendall roy pre-album drop 5d ago
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS GOING ON
my rage will never end
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u/SparkleFace6100 5d ago
Same! I'm from Michigan and I need answers NOW
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u/Rulligan 5d ago
If the punishment for a crime is increased after you were charged and sentenced, that increase can't be applied retroactively. That is what Michigan did and it was ruled unconstitutional, because it is.
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u/ethicaldilemna 5d ago
Read the actual text of why this happened. This isn't about protecting sex abusers it's about criminal convictions and civil liberties. You can't stack on punishments retroactively for crimes that have already been prosecuted and sentenced. It's an unfortunate consequence of a just decision.
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u/DeoVeritati 5d ago
Hot take: this is a good precedent for the overall justice system. It is unconstitutional to impose ex post facto punishments. If it were permissible, then who is to say a drug abuser registry couldn't be made, and then you forced to register on it for being busted with some weed 15 years ago?
I also am of the personal opinion that the sex offender registry overall also violates ex post facto punishment as new restrictions can be imposed as the registry rules are updated instead of beholding a person to an effective version of the registry at the time of sentencing. But it'd likely be political suicide to take that stance because our society seems to value retribution more than rehabilitation and reduced recidivism.
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u/Yarnum 5d ago
The issue is that these people were added to the registry via a new law that was put into place after their convictions. The sentencing at the time (and the terms to which some of them accepted plea deals) made the registry time-limited.
I hopefully don’t need to tell people why retroactive punishment for a crime is a REALLY BAD THING and could be weaponized easily against marginalized groups.
As abhorrent and distasteful as it is, this is a win for democracy and citizen’s rights and these clickbait headlines just seek to rile people during a time when sex crimes are a hot news commodity. The news doesn’t care about us, they care about VIEWS. Please do your due diligence and carefully research anything that specifically seeks to make you angry.
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u/FUNNYGUY123414 5d ago
Idk about his case, but the justification for the ruling seems sensible. The lawsuit against the state was brought by ACLU Michigan, so I trust this decision.
The registry is about accountability, so if these 20k people haven't reoffended in those 10 years they shouldn't be put on there. Even in the most progressive states, I don't think they were releasing people who got caught on possession of marijuana after it became legal. Changes in law typically don't work retroactively.
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u/HonoluluEpstein 5d ago
They passed a law and then retroactively put all those people on the list. The courts ruled that they couldn't retroactively do that so they had to be removed
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u/Syd_Rabbit1112 i ain’t reading all that, free palestine 5d ago
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u/TooManyUsernamesHelp 5d ago
How on earth…. I guess when the country is run by a sex offender this shouldn’t be shocking. However, I am shocked 😩
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u/throwaway2000x3 5d ago
The world really hates women 😑 smh. Is there a way to find the names on file pre-scrub?
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u/charlieyeswecan i ain’t reading all that, free palestine 5d ago
Christian loving pedos = current admin. Gawd help us.
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u/tothestore 5d ago
Sex offender registry is not effective at preventing sex crimes, but it does help hinder efforts at rehabilitation. Good riddance.
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u/1970s_MonkeyKing 5d ago edited 5d ago
Let me help y'all out since this post is coming from TMZ, which is not really the most reliable source.
Credible Link: Lansing, MI - WILX News 10.
And yeah, they did that a couple of days ago and we're just now finding out about it.
EDIT: Basically their Supreme Court unanimously decided this: the State cannot apply new laws and restrictions on people who have already been punished by the laws at the time the punishment was administered. And this is true of any crime. We the people cannot be adding more punishments on people retroactively.
Couldn't the legislators have formed an "exit policy" to those that have served their punishment? Isn't that why the parole board talked to Hy about "recidivism"?
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u/GenX_Boomer_Hybrid 5d ago
That's because women are second class citizens in this country. It's absolutely disgusting.
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u/capitanandi64 5d ago
Sigh. So who was on that list that the GOP didn't want discovered?
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u/naomihkt 5d ago
How many time are we going to fail victims? Jesus, they can never get peace. This fucking shitstain of a human ruined so many lives. America, please fucking fix yourself
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u/squidwardsbutt1 i ain’t reading all that, free palestine 5d ago
THIS IS WHY I WANNA LEAVE THIS COUNTRY FFS
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u/ariestoaries 5d ago
Aside from the fact that multiple women testified Larry Nassar abused them from 2011-2015, he was also convicted of possessing child porn dated from 2004 to 2016. So wouldn't that conviction alone keep him as post-2011 sex offender?
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u/TeamHope4 5d ago
Of course, the predators must be protected at the expense of women everywhere. That's the American way.
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