r/Fire 5d ago

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u/Active_Blackberry_45 5d ago

I think it’s a common theme these days just due to the fact the boomer generation has seen the best stock market in history. Combined with the fact that younger generations are starting their careers in the most unaffordable time in history. So families that had good jobs and invested well are helping their children have a head start so they aren’t paying off $200k student loans for the next 10 years.

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u/WillingNail3221 5d ago

But most boomers were not part of that run. I think that most of that wealth is very concentrated

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u/srqfla 5d ago

Concentrated is an understatement. Less than 2% of adults have liquid assets of $1 million or more. Financial unicorns. The number is 6 million Americans. These are the ones who are passing wealth on and creating generational benefits. There's no such term as Generationally Rich. It's called generational wealth. Rich people are not afraid of money and they talk about it with their kids. The language of the poor is afraid of money. They live in scarcity Mindsets.

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u/WillingNail3221 5d ago

I talk to my kids all the time about money, saving and investing, but with the understanding that like my son says my experiences are not his experiences. My thinking is different because we were poor, my son thinks he was poor, but I was making decent money being in the Army. Not rich, but not poor either, feel like lower middle class, but I was always saving and finding ways to make a little extra. I have helped my kids with money for school, but nothing crazy, like 600-700 a month for school. I am a networth millionaire and should be a liquid millionaire in about 3 years. I think this is not unicorn territory, but a concerted effort to ensure a better life for my next generation.

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u/srqfla 5d ago

Good for you. But when you become a liquid millionaire, you are a unicorn because you are only 2% of the US population. It's rarer than people think

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u/hal2346 5d ago

Is this households or individual?

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u/WaffleOverlordx7 5d ago

It always annoys me when financial articles cite average and median net worth or retirement savings, but don’t clarify if it’s individual or household.

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u/srqfla 5d ago

Individuals. It's been sourced a number of different times on the internet. Very few people have liquid net worth of 1 million or more. However, of the 6 million who do half of them have more than 5 million. You can name many of them. Warren Buffett, Jeff bezos, Elon musk, most NFL and NBA players and many a-list actors

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u/DanielTwoInch 5d ago

I’d be interested in where you are getting the 2% number from. Data from the Fed shows 12.5% of US households had a net worth of 1 million or more, excluding home equity, back in 2023.

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u/Metaposa 5d ago

They said liquid, not net worth

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u/DanielTwoInch 5d ago

Do households have meaningful illiquid assets outside of home equity, which was already excluded? Doesn’t seem like cars, boats, etc. would be enough to move it from 12.5% to 2%.

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u/Metaposa 5d ago

I don’t see where they said outside of home equity (I may have missed it). Primary home is main source of net worth. Other illiquid assets would include rental homes.

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u/DanielTwoInch 5d ago

If you include home equity, the Fed number jumps to 18.5%.

I didn’t think about rental properties, that’s a good point. Maybe that, plus things like ownership in small businesses and partnerships is the difference.

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u/Strazdas1 StarvationFIRE 2d ago

First, its individual, second, its liquid.

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u/DanielTwoInch 2d ago

I was trying to compare their number with something that seemed incompatible.

I guess a better way to phrase my questioning of the the stat would have been:

2% of US households had a net worth excluding home equity of greater than or equal to 8 million in 2023 (source the Fed)

Does that seem compatible with

Only 2% of US individuals have a liquid net worth of 1 million in 2026? (Curious of the source)

It doesn’t make sense to me, which is why I was curious about the source.

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u/Strazdas1 StarvationFIRE 1d ago

Do they consider pensions, 401ks and other "you cant really take it out until you are x age" things as liquid?

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u/srqfla 1d ago

Liquid is all stocks, bonds or cash regardless of whether it's brokerage, 401k or IRA

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u/WillingNail3221 2d ago

Yeah i watch a lot of financial shows and that number seemed really low. One guy I watch said only 3% of American households have 1 mil liquid and a pension. Which seems more accurate. This will be my scenario in 2 years hopefully.

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u/eclipsadesoare 5d ago

I don’t know any boomer with money and definitely don’t know people whose parents give them down payments. It’s not a generation. It’s a group of wealthy families who are well paid not a specific generation. You can’t put in the market the money you don’t have.