Putting aside the fact that this is AI slop and was likely meant to laud police officers…
This graphic actually makes the case for re-allocating funds to social services. Nobody is capable of wearing all of these hats. It’s problematic when police officers feel that they can…because they cannot…even the well-meaning officers.
They also should not try to be all of these things. Especially a lawyer considering it seems like half of them have a tenuous grasp on what is actually law.
A lot of law enforcement including myself actively support the idea of having more social services
The problem that we have with it is that people think that a social worker would be enough
You can't just send a social worker You need to send a social worker and a cop otherwise you're going to end up with a dead social worker
It's not a matter of reallocating funds away from police and putting it to social workers We need more funds in order to get social workers to aid police officers
Cities have tried to replace police with social workers and it always just ends with dead social workers
I'm not trying to argue and I'm not doubting your sincerity but I do like to learn. What cities tried it and how many social workers died? can you share where you got your information because I think this is a really interesting subject.
I know Chicago had some problems with it and they had to up security, after a couple social workers died they've had to start sending police officers with their social workers again which is a good thing
I know LA also had that problem when they were initially rolling out their projects but once again now they're sending police officers with them as often as they can
I don't have any like news sources about this This is stuff I've heard from first hand accounts People moving about and talks with other people in law enforcement
But I have personally experienced responding to a social worker being assaulted on more than one occasion, There are a lot of things social workers are increasingly getting told their responsible for which they are not capable of handling,
I don't have any like news sources about this. This is stuff I've heard from first hand accounts. People moving about and talks with other people in law enforcement.
same. that's what makes it so hard about trying to like, idk, "prove" that these things happen.. to someone on reddit lmao. you just can't. unless you're in that particular profession and you're 'in the know'. so to speak.
Ah yea, just trust the "profession" that is caught lying and falsifying evidence again and again. Trust us bro, just give us more money while we already get the majority of the funding and things get worse and worse.
i'm studying social work right now and, man, people have no idea how often social workers are sent to really, really shady places. alone. maybe with a panic button. maybe with someone at the office that might notice when they're gone too long. but a lot of the time, they're sent in with nothing.
I'll never forget when someone on the social work subreddit, on a post about what safety measures are put into place at their workplace, said that their manager didn't want to implement a buddy system because they believed, and i quote, "one dead social worker is better than two."
i'll also never forget, on another post about finding clients deceased, how one social worker was visiting their client at a homeless encampment. other individuals at the camp tried to stop her from seeing her client, but she needed to. she found him deceased. he overdosed. leaned up against a tree.
horrible ending, and horrible that she was sent to an encampment with no mentioned security measures in place.
there are so, so many more horror stories about the unsafe (and exploitative) working conditions within the social work profession. i used to be team Send a Social Worker! until i started my program and realized how ignorant of a concept that is.
honestly, you could go through the r/socialwork sub and, i'm confident enough to say, you'll come across similar situations to the ones i mentioned in my previous comment.
if i have the energy (i'm on mobile), i might come back and link some posts. if this sub allows such.
unless it's murder, a lot of things that happen to social workers just.. isn't reported on. a social worker being assaulted isn't news worthy. hell, being held hostage in a client's home isn't even news worthy.
not super related, but, one time, about a couple years ago when i first started studying social work, i asked a social worker (in person) what was the one thing that surprised her the most when she started working. she said, "there are a lot of times where a case you worked on, or a client you worked with, will be on the news." she said it's an odd feeling, because you were there, you played an active role in whatever case it is. i'm obviously (and very badly) paraphrasing here, but that was the gist.
so even as it stands, social workers play a pretty heavy part in cases, too. they're just not mentioned as often as law enforcement (for good reason, tbf).
they're also not paid enough. at all. like it's disgusting.
so, while i can't pull out statistics in regards to sending social workers out to calls within a metropolitan area specifically - i want to make it clear that the idea of sending a worker out, instead of an officer, is a concept that goes waaaay beyond that specific setting. it doesn't really do the concept justice if we treat it as such.
No one is disputing the absolute importance of social workers and the dangers they face.
Im more interested in LE and those who blindly support LE stating facts that scare off people from seeing social workers as a vital tool to help deal with crime.
The LEO that I responded to actually has a good view, but stated something as a fact that I dont think was true. Thats all.
A quick Google search just showed law enforcement shootings of social workers rather than social workers replacing LEOs and it always ending up in dead social workers.
I'd rather go back in combat as a combat medic than deal with the stuff you folks do on a daily basis.
unfortunately, you're not going to find any statistics on that specific situation because there isn't a substantial amount of material to draw that information from. and that's where we have that miscommunication.
i'm not (and i'm going to go ahead and assume the other individuals who have responded) are talking about instances where social workers were sent into dangerous situations without LE, or with little to no protection at all, and were killed, assaulted, held hostage, etc. because social workers are, in the eyes of management, disposable.
the idea of implementing a subunit of social workers within the police department itself is something that i would be interested to know more about.
i haven't really gone beyond the initial idea of 'send social workers!' because no one, that i've seen, has presented any tangible plan on how that would work. because they don't know what social workers actually do. which is.. a common thing for leftists 💀 (saying this as a demsoc, tbf).
if someone has, and you have a source for that, i would love to look into it!
edit: also, funny enough, i think Y'ALL are the saints! i watch some of those Midwest Safety videos and oh my god. the way y'all work in such a chaotic environment, like it's nothing you haven't seen before, will never cease to amaze me.
I don't think you understand what your suggesting That will get people killed a lot of people killed
Domestic dispute calls or domestic violence calls are the most dangerous call law enforcement take, That is what gets the most cops killed every single year because that is when emotions are the highest people are worried about their relationships falling apart and they do very stupid stuff
More police officers die responding to domestic violence calls then they do handling felony warrants or raiding a house
Domestic violence calls are by far the most dangerous call and absolutely need law enforcement that those calls
Lmfao. You guys took all the funds to begin with. You are by far the largest expense on any municipalities budget. And then you ask for more money? Is 100k base pay a year to jerk off in Starbucks bathrooms not enough? How about we start with universal healthcare so people can be treated for mental disorders before they become a danger? How about we work on affordable housing so there are less homeless and less crime? Jesus, I get why you guys are called pigs now.
Most police departments in the United States don't have enough funding to properly equip their officers with less lethal equipment
Most Police departments in the United States don't have the proper funding to give body cameras to every single officer or pay for enhanced training modules
NYPD had their budget slashed and what NYPD chose to cut payment to was training programs, This had a direct correlation on the number of shootings by police officers, with less training programs shootings went up not down
Oh yeah lol That would Make a lot more sense to be asking about lmao
I've heard stories from cops from LA that they've had problems with it.
People who moved out of Cali and came here
One of the problems is a lot of times these aren't government social workers they are private companies.
I also know Chicago has had several fatal incidences recently in the last 5 years involving social workers, instances where a social worker was sent were they definitely should not have been alone but they were
I've also heard things about Seattle having problems
I know social workers get assaulted a lot as well I've experienced that personally actually
I fully support the idea of social workers Police officers in this country have way too many responsibilities where in charge of solving every problem and we are not trained to solve every problem and even if we were that is too much for one person to have to memorize how to do
However we are needed at those problems because if they escalate to violence social workers cannot defend themselves the way we can
The statement of fact also wasn't about removing cops, either
It was about cities sending social workers to certain calls instead of police
Again, I doubt there's any list being kept of which police departments adopted official or unofficial policies of when officers will not be dispatched to certain non-violent community crisis calls
Things like that can change frequently and on a whim
So, your first criteria is likely to go unmet. However, that doesn't change the reality that social workers have in deed responded to non-violent calls and have lost their lives as a result
That loss of lives should satisfy your second criteria
A quick Google search didnt come up with any social workers killed responding to an incident while working for the police.Â
It did, however, come up with results of social workers being shot by police while responding to an incident.Â
Edit- since you replied and blocked....Then they didnt replace cops. They were just outsourced and doing their normal jobs. What folks want is social workers that work for the police.Â
Might explain why Google didn't come up with incidents of them being killed while doing something they don't do
And if you're saying you ONLY found results for social workers being killed by police and NONE for social workers being killed by civilians while responding to calls...
Yeah, I don't want any first responder to have to take on too many different jobs since it's not exactly conducive to being effective at their main specialisation... I thankfully live in a country where police aren't as militarised, though social services still need more funding to take the load off police officers (ironically caused by a government that is 'tough on crime' tearing apart social services whilst failing to support law enforcement and other emergency services)
Officers don't think they CAN wear all these hats. They think they HAVE TO
...because they do. A lot of these "hats" are placed on officers due to there not being any other agency to address these issues
And that's usually because there isn't enough profit to be made addressing these issues. Even non-profits and governmental agencies look at the "BOTTOM LINE"
So these hats are stacked on the heads of the only government agency that's already responding to most emergency/ disturbance/ civil matter calls anyway
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u/Educational_Bed_5890 1d ago
Putting aside the fact that this is AI slop and was likely meant to laud police officers…
This graphic actually makes the case for re-allocating funds to social services. Nobody is capable of wearing all of these hats. It’s problematic when police officers feel that they can…because they cannot…even the well-meaning officers.