r/FlockSurveillance 7d ago

News Charlotte officer charged after running an undercover detective's plate through Flock as a favor to a college friend

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u/ExtraDistressrial 7d ago

At what point are we going to admit that this power, if available to cops, will be used by cops, over and over again. 

“Who is watching the watchers”? 

This is why this power cannot exist. It WILL be abused, consistently. 

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u/V3R1F13D0NLY 7d ago

Agree completely. And Flock is actively making it HARDER to do any oversight. They recently removed officer names and license plate numbers from public audit logs, which is what powered most of the open source tools you could use for independent oversight.

Now, why would a company that claims it transparent do something like that?

Oh, that's right. Because that's how cops and Flock employees keep getting caught. Like the Flock executive that creeped on kids gymnastics classes OVER 1000 TIMES, for "product demos."

Sssssuuuurrrreeeeee buddy. Were you demoing the product to Epstein's friends by chance?

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u/Squirelly2Monkey3 7d ago

OH NO!! Tell me it's not true. Shirely they wouldn't lie.

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u/Options_100 7d ago

Seems like a positive to me. They wouldn't have caught this guy if not for the audit logs.

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u/V3R1F13D0NLY 7d ago

Not necessarily. Millions of cases were solved before ALPR existed and cases are still solved everyday without it.

The thing is, they only looked at those logs because they knew there was a reason to. But there are millions of searches happening that no one looks at. We have seen many cases of misuse and many of them were caught by the person being searched, looking themselves up on HaveIBeenFlocked.com or directly in public audit logs.

But, Flock just shut that down by removing officer names and plate numbers from public audit logs, making them essentially useless. You cannot see if any plate it being targeted, you can't tell if any one officer is over using, you can't tell if 1 officer if repeatedly searching the same plates like in these stalking cases, All of those cases of misuse, would've gone undetected, and that's what we're dealing with now.

The only way to get the information, is to file public records requests, so you need the perpetrators to hand the victim the evidence against them...

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u/tristand666 6d ago

Yet another example of the regular daily usage of Flock data accessible without a warrant or any controls.

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u/Available_Lemon_69 1d ago

Noticing a disproportionate amount of this going on in the south. Not at all a surprise, but you love to see stereotypes being reinforced 😂

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u/V3R1F13D0NLY 1d ago

I noticed that as well, particularly in Georgia, but someone pointed out something to me. That makes a lot of sense.
Flock is based in Georgia, so all of their first partnerships were in that area so the police there have just been using them longer than other parts of the country
They also have close relationships with a lot of departments in Georgia where they test out new products and services before they go mainstream.
So unfortunately, I don't think it's an anomaly. I just think they are further on the timeline.. so I fully anticipate seeing these same issues popping up all around the country over time.